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05-21-2007, 01:26 AM
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I think Giggy will take less money to stay. Look how the Samuelis helped him out with his kid's health issues.

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05-21-2007, 01:50 AM
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I think alot may depend on the outcome of the playoffs. We have to remember we have Selanne at a bargain price, and once he retires if we want a first line winger we will probably have to pay more, then you have to sign Getzlaf/Perry/Penner within the next two years. In the end it will depend on if Giguere would be happy enough to take 5-5.5 a year when you'd think there will be a team or two that offers more.

I am not going to worry about it til our season is over because I think winning a cup could significantly change the off-season.

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05-21-2007, 02:00 AM
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Sorry, I am a huge ducks fan and all, but Jiggy is only as good as his defense is. He is an average/above average goalie (maybe) but he gets waaay too much credit for a guy that can't cover the top corners of the net and can't move laterally.

Throw in one of those games where Jiggy drifts off the posts and leaves and opening... come on now. Bryz has been good when he's been in the pipes. So would any other average goalie.
sure he had always play behind scotty and chris

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yeap really just average goalie

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05-21-2007, 02:05 AM
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Actually, according to Irish Blues, Moen has re-signed to a multi year extension. (Check the Alexander Ebbett thread).
Irish Blues' spreadsheet at http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/capcounts_player.htm doesn't yet reflect that. Where can I find the Ebbett thread?

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05-21-2007, 09:30 AM
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Irish Blues' spreadsheet at http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/capcounts_player.htm doesn't yet reflect that. Where can I find the Ebbett thread?
The new numbers are at www.nhlnumbers.com, but it isn't reflected there either.

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05-21-2007, 09:40 AM
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I think Burke is going to get a deal done to keep Giguere here for the rest of his career.

5 or 6 years at 5-6 per year.
Burke isn't going to sign a 30-year old goaltender for that length of time, nor should he.

You guys are setting yourself up for a world of disappointment. As far as the team "helping" Giguere with his family issues, it's expected. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't have given him the time off.

I'll be as thrilled as anyone if Giguere re-signs here, but I'm not expecting it, nor will I blame him for grabbing the money while he can. This is probably his last chance to rake in a huge payday in his career. He's going to take it.

And considering the guy won 26 (and hopefully counting) playoff games for the Ducks over three postseasons, I will thank him for his great contributions while he was here and wish him well wherever he goes.

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05-21-2007, 10:18 AM
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I think alot may depend on the outcome of the playoffs. We have to remember we have Selanne at a bargain price, and once he retires if we want a first line winger we will probably have to pay more,
We don't have Selanne at a bargain price in terms of cap hit, since bonuses have to be factored in whether they're reached or not. So he's actually taking up just under 6 mil in cap space.

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05-21-2007, 10:41 AM
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If he goes somewhere else it better not be Toronto.

I = Habs/Ducks fan

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05-21-2007, 10:45 AM
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If he goes somewhere else it better not be Toronto.

I = Habs/Ducks fan
Hey, if he's willing to go join that mess of a team, then he's clearly in it for the money alone and I'll say good luck to him.

My guess is he's had enough of playing for crappy teams with no hope. Even if he does go for the money, I'm betting it'll be with at least an average team.

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I think it will depend on the % difference. You can't fault him for taking 6-7 million, when we offer 4-5. I think it would be a mistake to pay more than 4for him since we have bryz though. We could use money more effecitvely elsewhere.

Ilove Jiggy, but new nhl is about using salary effectively. Paying Jiggy that much money when we have a cheaper alternative is just not the right move. Now if he resigned for 3 years for an affordable deal, I'd immediately package bryz for a top line forward or a young physical defensive defenseman. Somoene to take some PK minutes away from Niedermayer and Prionger

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Giggy will win the conn smyth this year

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05-21-2007, 02:01 PM
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I really hope we lock him up. $20-25 million over 4 years or so sounds good to me, maybe add on a 5th year, too. This guy is absolutely money, and I feel much more confident with him in net than Bryz.

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I think it would be a mistake to pay more than 4for him since we have bryz though. We could use money more effecitvely elsewhere.
I still don't understand this no matter how often it's stated. He makes 3.99 million now, why WOULDN'T the Ducks pay more to keep him? You think he'll take $4 million to stay after the year he's had? I don't think the Ducks will mortgage the farm to keep him, but it's not like they'll low-ball him because Bryz is an air-tight insurance policy.

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05-21-2007, 02:31 PM
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Jiggy won't get anything less than 6 mil, I guarantee it. Being the prize FA goalie this summer, that's what teams will offer. Even if he re-signs with the Ducks before July 1st he'll still get at least 6 mil solely because of how much Khabibulin makes (6.75), Broduer (5.25), Turco (6) and Luongo (6).

We can be naive all we want about how much we all think Jiggy deserves but the fact of the matter is he is a gamer. He can get your team into the playoffs and once you're there he can take you even further. The only way he stays for less than that is if he really, truly wants to be a Duck for the rest of his career and foregos the extra 5+ million he'll make elsewhere (assuming it's a long-term deal).

Also, anyone else find it humorous earlier in the year when everyone seemed convinced we could re-sign Jiggy with him taking like a 2 mil pay cut? It was funny than and hilarious now.

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Jiggy won't get anything less than 6 mil, I guarantee it. Being the prize FA goalie this summer, that's what teams will offer. Even if he re-signs with the Ducks before July 1st he'll still get at least 6 mil solely because of how much Khabibulin makes (6.75), Broduer (5.25), Turco (6) and Luongo (6).

We can be naive all we want about how much we all think Jiggy deserves but the fact of the matter is he is a gamer. He can get your team into the playoffs and once you're there he can take you even further. The only way he stays for less than that is if he really, truly wants to be a Duck for the rest of his career and foregos the extra 5+ million he'll make elsewhere (assuming it's a long-term deal).

Also, anyone else find it humorous earlier in the year when everyone seemed convinced we could re-sign Jiggy with him taking like a 2 mil pay cut? It was funny than and hilarious now.


Agreed. With comparables around the league and his post-season performance, Giguere's agent will start out asking for close to 8mil I bet. Of course, there's no way in hell he'll get it, but you start high. Ducks aren't going to want to pay even 5mil/yr. Honestly, you will think this is ludicrous but they will probably be about 12-15 mil apart in contracts with how much the Ducks want to spend vs. how much Giguere thinks he deserves.

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Agreed. With comparables around the league and his post-season performance, Giguere's agent will start out asking for close to 8mil I bet. Of course, there's no way in hell he'll get it, but you start high. Ducks aren't going to want to pay even 5mil/yr. Honestly, you will think this is ludicrous but they will probably be about 12-15 mil apart in contracts with how much the Ducks want to spend vs. how much Giguere thinks he deserves.
Why wouldn't the Ducks want to pay him $5 million a year? They're paying him nearly $4 million right now, and he clearly deserves a raise.

I think he easily deserves a 4 year, $25 million contract. I think he might take less, the hometown discount, if you will, but, if that type of deal is what he'd sign, then I'd be all for it. Priority #1 had better be locking him up come late June.

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05-21-2007, 02:59 PM
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Why wouldn't the Ducks want to pay him $5 million a year? They're paying him nearly $4 million right now, and he clearly deserves a raise.

I think he easily deserves a 4 year, $25 million contract. I think he might take less, the hometown discount, if you will, but, if that type of deal is what he'd sign, then I'd be all for it. I certainly hope that offseason priority #1 is locking him up, as he's the key to this team being successful.
Well, it really has nothing to do with what they WANT to pay him. Everyone loves Giguere. He's a great player and adds a lot to the team both on and off ice. I'm sure the Ducks would pay him everything he wanted if there were no other conditions. But the fact is that it comes down to numbers and money. The Ducks would love to have a star goalie like Giguere, but they also know he deserves a lot and with having to resign expensive players in future years (i.e. Neidermayer, Pronger, Selanne?) and young players with high potential (Penner, Perry, Getzlaf). Figure in the contract bonuses from making playoffs, getting x number of goals, points, etc... Your real spending numbers for star goalies are considerably less, that's why they will want to pay him as little as they can get away with.


Let me also clarify that I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to pull Giguere in for 5mil/yr for the next 3-5 years. But, knowing the system, I can't foresee Giguere taking a pay cut. He won't see it as making 5mil/yr for 4 years (making 20mil)... he'll see it as losing 1.5mil a year for 4 years.

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I think Giggy will take less money to stay. Look how the Samuelis helped him out with his kid's health issues.
how they helped him?
interesting to hear that

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how they helped him?
interesting to hear that

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I read somewhere they arranged for the top specialist to attend to Giggy's son. I might be wrong though.

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Jiggy won't get anything less than 6 mil, I guarantee it. Being the prize FA goalie this summer, that's what teams will offer. Even if he re-signs with the Ducks before July 1st he'll still get at least 6 mil solely because of how much Khabibulin makes (6.75), Broduer (5.25), Turco (6) and Luongo (6).

We can be naive all we want about how much we all think Jiggy deserves but the fact of the matter is he is a gamer. He can get your team into the playoffs and once you're there he can take you even further. The only way he stays for less than that is if he really, truly wants to be a Duck for the rest of his career and foregos the extra 5+ million he'll make elsewhere (assuming it's a long-term deal).

Also, anyone else find it humorous earlier in the year when everyone seemed convinced we could re-sign Jiggy with him taking like a 2 mil pay cut? It was funny than and hilarious now.
If you just read the posters on HF you'd think he was a mediocre overpaid starter, this has been happening for about oh the last 4 years now..

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If you just read the posters on HF you'd think he was a mediocre overpaid starter, this has been happening for about oh the last 4 years now..
The rule of the current NHL is you aren't a good goalie unless you make the highlight reel by flopping around making routine saves look amazing. Flashy kick saves and glove saves are what the kids want these days, not a guy who blocks pucks with solid positioning.

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I read somewhere they arranged for the top specialist to attend to Giggy's son. I might be wrong though.
It was a specialist at the UCLA eye institute ... Samueli probably has connections there, seeing as he was on the UCLA engineering school faculty.

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The rule of the current NHL is you aren't a good goalie unless you make the highlight reel by flopping around making routine saves look amazing. Flashy kick saves and glove saves are what the kids want these days, not a guy who blocks pucks with solid positioning.
No kidding. Good thing though is we have a goalie who doesn't have such a spot light on him and can just go out and do his job. It'll be a said day in SoCal if he leaves. No offensive to Bryz, but Jiggy has been one of a kind for this franchise and will leave a pretty big hole.

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Imagine this everyone...Eklund on XM said that Jiggy was a possiblitity for wait for it...




























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Jiggy won't get anything less than 6 mil, I guarantee it. Being the prize FA goalie this summer, that's what teams will offer. Even if he re-signs with the Ducks before July 1st he'll still get at least 6 mil solely because of how much Khabibulin makes (6.75), Broduer (5.25), Turco (6) and Luongo (6).
I'm a big Giguere backer, but even I would argue that he deserves to be paid less than those guys. They can all give you 70-75 starts a year and Jiggy is good for 60, meaning the Ducks need a much more viable (expensive) backup.

Oh, and I'm totally throwing out Bulin as an anomaly. The only way he got 6.75 was by signing with a suck @ss team. The only reason the Blackhawks paid that is they are a suck @ss team. If Giguere wants 7 million from Florida or Columbus the Ducks can't and won't match it.

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