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06-03-2007, 09:27 AM
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OT: FBI Prevents Attack On JFK Airport that Could have Killed Thousands

Usually don't post OT news articles but since most of us are from around here I thought i'd post it. Thank god the FBI put a stop to this before it happened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070603/...terrorism_plot

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Federal officials say the men planned to detonate a fuel supply line that carried fuel from New Jersey to the Queens Airport. Officials say the plot was being engineered to kill thousands and economically devastate the country.
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Federal authorities said a plot by a suspected Muslim terrorist cell to blow up John F. Kennedy International Airport, its fuel tanks and a jet fuel artery could have caused "unthinkable" devastation.
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In an indictment charging the four men, one of them is quoted as saying the foiled plot would "cause greater destruction than in the Sept. 11 attacks," destroying the airport, killing several thousand people and destroying parts of New York's borough of Queens, where the pipeline runs underground.
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"The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," U.S. Attorney Roslynn R. Mauskopf said at a news conference, calling it "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."
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Authorities said the men were motivated by hatred toward the United States and Israel. Defreitas was recorded saying he "wanted to do something to get those ********" and he boasted that he had been taught to make bombs in Guyana.
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At least is wasn't close to furition though. It's good that they caught it and caught it very early. That could have been devistating. Only one of the four terrorists were in the country. The other 3 have been captured abroad and the US is seeking the extradition of those individuals to bring them to the US. They have no links to Al Queda, at least that is known so far and have been call "Al Queda Wanna'be's".


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This sounds about as credible as the Sears Tower plot, 9/11, London bombing etc.

When will you fellas wake up and get your heads out of your *****???

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They have no links to Al Queda, at least that is known so far and have been call "Al Queda Wanna'be's".
I think that when you look at almost any action taken after Afghanistan you see the same thing.
No direct link to Al Queda, but all three sides (media, authorities and the terrorists themself) all want it to be "Al Queda".

The actual "Al Queda" doesn't have to do anything except try to stay alive and send out video tapes now and then.
There's enough wannabe's around who desperately want become known as an "Al Queda Cell" without ever having any connection to the actual group, if the actual group even exist anymore.

And noone is going to say that they are not.

Media will call them Al Queda since it sells, and explaining all the messy tangled up facts doesn't.
Authorities want it too, they want one single enemy, not having to answer to why several disorganised groups all over the globe are acting this way.

Don't get me wrong, the people involved are deranged lunatics everyone of them. But they aren't part of some global united terrorist organisation like Spectre in the Bond movies.
They're brainwashed idiots who pretend to be a part of a, possibly no longer existant, organisation.

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I don't know when this was supposed to happen (didn't see an exact date in the article), but I was JUST in JFK on the 20th and 22nd.

That's just ****ing scary.

Great job by the FBI.

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plot was in early planning stages and not imminent by any means...

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2835339.shtml

kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...

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kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...
Not ignorant but I wonder who 'all' is.
All muslims in the US?

The first nation in the world with religious freedom in it's constitution deciding to expell all individuals, citizens or not, who confess to a certain religious faith? Or only those who state that they understand/support acts of terrorism?

And you don't think that those that actually would ponder an act of terrorism would act so dastardly as to pretend to have a different faith? Or even lie when asked if they support acts of terrorism?

So no, I don't call you ignorant.

But I'm obviously ignorant since I just don't understand what you want to do, nor what you think that you would achieve.

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kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...
no comment on this, because ill probably be banned if i do say something.

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Ok I want to start by saying i am not trying to be funny. I ran a wrestling show last night in Clifton NJ and the papers came to cover it. Well I wake up and the front page is 3/4 mine with a full color picture of the star Mil Mascaras and this little tiny healing about the terror plot. I laughed for 20 minutes then realized how F'd up it was.

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Not ignorant but I wonder who 'all' is.
All muslims in the US?

The first nation in the world with religious freedom in it's constitution deciding to expell all individuals, citizens or not, who confess to a certain religious faith? Or only those who state that they understand/support acts of terrorism?

And you don't think that those that actually would ponder an act of terrorism would act so dastardly as to pretend to have a different faith? Or even lie when asked if they support acts of terrorism?

So no, I don't call you ignorant.

But I'm obviously ignorant since I just don't understand what you want to do, nor what you think that you would achieve.
Nothing feasible. When over 1/4 of Muslims in this country support killing those that they live with there's something wrong and it's frustrating to someone who lives in NY. I'm not here to talk politics but obviously this type of thread will evoke different views. My views happen to be that measures need to be taken when these type of figures come out and when we keep uncovering plans all by (insert group of people). 26% is enough in my mind to make profiling at airports and subways acceptable, things like that...in a respectful way of course. Next Saturday when I fly out of JFK to go to Europe on a Jet full of 400 people, I'm going laugh when they let (insert obvious name I'm going to say) go unchecked and bring the 75 grandmother to the side to further examine her luggage and passport and hope for the best. It's just laughable that every time you hear of some type of terrorist plan/act they are constantly (insert).


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kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...
Where are you going to kick "them" to? Especially those who are born in the United States? And how will you figure out who "they" are? The United States does not collect statistics on what religion its' citizens profess to be.

You're not ignorant, just dumb.

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Nothing feasible. When over 1/4 of Muslims in this country support killing those that they live with there's something wrong and it's frustrating to someone who lives in NY. I'm not here to talk politics but obviously this type of thread will evoke different views. My views happen to be that measures need to be taken when these type of figures come out. 26% is enough in my mind to make profiling at airports and subways acceptable, things like that...in a respectful way of course. Next Saturday when I fly out of JFK to go to Europe on a Jet full of 400 people, I'm going laugh when they let (insert obvious name I'm going to say) go unchecked and bring the 75 grandmother to the side to further examine her luggage and passport and hope for the best.
I actually agree with what you say.
I just wanted to point out that it's not exactly simple.

If the expected terrorists was easy to detect, then it would first, be easy to solve, and second, not be a problem since they'd have to totally moronic.

If someone is mad/brainwashed enough to blow themself up, then I wouldn't be surprised if they actually tried to not look like the stereotype.

This last bunch was from Guyana, south america, not middle or far east. And the largest muslim population in the world is in indonesia, se asia.

I think that if airport security would focus on people who look in a certain way, we would be in far deeper problems.

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People who have been and are comitting these acts have been around for a long time. They have used, or been used by, different organisations over the time.
Currently it's 'muslim extremists', but it's been communists, socialists, nationalist, anti communists, anti federalists, christians (esp catholics and protestants blowing eachother up) and on and on.


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kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...
That isn't the "get out" scenario that will alleviate anything.

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Where are you going to kick "them" to?
Fantasy land.

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i heard that the FBI knew about these attacks being planned for months but only when they started getting active and closer to the date did they act on it. I live in Jersey but just accross the River and have flown out of JFK on a couple of occasions and that is just some crazy stuff. I like to hear that the FBI had an eye on these people but they were close to actually killing thousands and wish the FBI would have acted on this a while ago.

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Nothing feasible. When over 1/4 of Muslims in this country support killing those that they live with there's something wrong and it's frustrating to someone who lives in NY. I'm not here to talk politics but obviously this type of thread will evoke different views. My views happen to be that measures need to be taken when these type of figures come out and when we keep uncovering plans all by (insert group of people). 26% is enough in my mind to make profiling at airports and subways acceptable, things like that...in a respectful way of course. Next Saturday when I fly out of JFK to go to Europe on a Jet full of 400 people, I'm going laugh when they let (insert obvious name I'm going to say) go unchecked and bring the 75 grandmother to the side to further examine her luggage and passport and hope for the best. It's just laughable that every time you hear of some type of terrorist plan/act they are constantly (insert).
Re-read the article. It isn't 26% of Muslims, but 26% of young Muslims. Still scary, but not nearly close to being the same.

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And some in this country STILL don't understand or want to understand the threat this country is under and will be probably for the forseeable future, if not forever. These are evil people that need to be extinguished ASAP.

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I don't know where you got such an utterly bogus statistic, but you're better off not talking about things you don't know about. Labeling a demographic the way you have is more of a judgement on yourself.

Don't sweat Muslim fanatics, our government is comprised of much bigger terrorists.

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Nothing feasible. When over 1/4 of Muslims in this country support killing those that they live with there's something wrong and it's frustrating to someone who lives in NY. I'm not here to talk politics but obviously this type of thread will evoke different views. My views happen to be that measures need to be taken when these type of figures come out and when we keep uncovering plans all by (insert group of people). 26% is enough in my mind to make profiling at airports and subways acceptable, things like that...in a respectful way of course. Next Saturday when I fly out of JFK to go to Europe on a Jet full of 400 people, I'm going laugh when they let (insert obvious name I'm going to say) go unchecked and bring the 75 grandmother to the side to further examine her luggage and passport and hope for the best. It's just laughable that every time you hear of some type of terrorist plan/act they are constantly (insert).

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I don't know where you got such an utterly bogus statistic, but you're better off not talking about things you don't know about. Labeling a demographic the way you have is more of a judgement on yourself.

Don't sweat Muslim fanatics, our government is comprised of much bigger terrorists.
That is a crock of **** and a disgusting thing to say as was the other comment. Anyone who thinks that we are safe in todays day and age of radical muslims is insane.

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kick em all out. Some leftist will call me ignorant in 3...2...1...

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Nothing feasible. When over 1/4 of Muslims in this country support killing those that they live with there's something wrong and it's frustrating to someone who lives in NY. I'm not here to talk politics but obviously this type of thread will evoke different views. My views happen to be that measures need to be taken when these type of figures come out and when we keep uncovering plans all by (insert group of people). 26% is enough in my mind to make profiling at airports and subways acceptable, things like that...in a respectful way of course. Next Saturday when I fly out of JFK to go to Europe on a Jet full of 400 people, I'm going laugh when they let (insert obvious name I'm going to say) go unchecked and bring the 75 grandmother to the side to further examine her luggage and passport and hope for the best. It's just laughable that every time you hear of some type of terrorist plan/act they are constantly (insert).
You're completely misunderstanding the context of the poll you're alluding to. First off, 26% was the number for Muslim YOUTH in America, not American Muslims as a whole.

A better way of looking at it is that 78% of American Muslims stated that suicide bombings are NEVER justified in ANY case, even in the defence of their deeply-held faith. To extrapolate from this poll that 26% of Muslims advocate killing their neighbours is pure racist bologna.

Now if you REALLY paid attention to that poll, you'd be struck by the fact that it shows how WELL INTEGRATED American Muslims are in this country, as the Pew themselves report and these headlines indicate:

Pew Research Center: Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

NY Times: Poll Shows Bright View of Muslim Integration
http://select.nytimes.com/search/res...AE0894DE404482

BBC Online: Muslims 'well integrated' in US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6680939.stm

Voice of America: Major poll finds US Muslims Mostly Mainstream
http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-06-01-voa36.cfm

Washington Post: Survey: U.S. Muslims Assimilated, Opposed to Extremism
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052201463.html

I could go on and on, but I think these headlines speak for themselves.

In conclusion: You do not need to be afraid of your fellow Americans, whether they are Muslim or not.


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Not ignorant but I wonder who 'all' is.
All muslims in the US?

The first nation in the world with religious freedom in it's constitution deciding to expell all individuals, citizens or not, who confess to a certain religious faith? Or only those who state that they understand/support acts of terrorism?

And you don't think that those that actually would ponder an act of terrorism would act so dastardly as to pretend to have a different faith? Or even lie when asked if they support acts of terrorism?

So no, I don't call you ignorant.

But I'm obviously ignorant since I just don't understand what you want to do, nor what you think that you would achieve.
This country, like it or not, would never do anything to go against the meaning of freedom. Kicking Muslims out of this country would be doing exactly that.

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As much as I like that idea at times, it would be so antiamerican values to do that. You are absolutley correct Isles4.

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Yeah, and we should kick all the white people out of the country as well. Because you know, white people could wind up being like Ted Kaczynski and Tim McVeigh. We can't have that... And those damn Asian folk, shooting up campuses and all. Don't get me started on the Blacks and Hispanics, those goddamned gangbangers....

Really, it's not ignorant to say that we ought to to expel all Muslims from our borders, it's just irrational and plain stupid. Terrorism doesn't originate solely in the Middle East, and it manifests itself in people of all different colors, races and creeds. Forcing Muslim citizens to leave our country will not make us any safer; anyone who thinks it will is comically naive, I must say.

I'm glad that this plot to attack Kennedy was derailed, though by all expert accounts it was not exactly feasible and far from coming to fruition in any meaningful way. The devout Muslims make me slightly uncomfortable, though I have to admit that fanatical followers of any religion make me just as uncomfortable and seem just as dangerous to me. I wish there was a way to change people's attitudes on a global scale, as that's really the only way to curb terrorism. Even then, there are always crazy individuals out there who find enjoyment in causing others to suffer. Let's just not forget that it's not a phenomenon unique to Muslims, and the vast majority of Muslim people are peaceful and equally appalled by the actions of terrorists.

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