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06-05-2007, 12:48 AM
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3 in, 3 out, 3 up

3 in, 3 out, 3 up

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Seen this on the Oiler board, brought it to the attention on the Kings board. Thought it might pass some of those summer time blues. Concept is simple, as the title states name 3 players you would like to see brought into the Kings organization, 3 you want out ,and 3 rookies you want called up.


IN

Hartnell - perfect 2nd line big body, 25 plus goals, hits, skates decent
Drury - perfect 2nd line center, pairs with big Hartnell and lil Prucha
Hannan- tough as nails, defensive, 2nd pairing defensman. Hannan/Staal


OUT

Shanny- I luv the guy, but youth and salary cap is more important(Hartnell)
Malik - Rather have (Hannan)
Kasparaitis - washed up, huge coin, easily replaced (Staal)

UP

Staal - solid #4 (fingers crossed), would luv to see him paired with UFA Hannan
Dubinsky - put Cullen on this guys wing. Excited about this guy
Montoya - even if its for a couple games stretch a couple times a year to get a taste and give Henrik a few days rest at a time

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3 in, 3 out, 3 up

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Seen this on the Oiler board, brought it to the attention on the Kings board. Thought it might pass some of those summer time blues. Concept is simple, as the title states name 3 players you would like to see brought into the Kings organization, 3 you want out ,and 3 rookies you want called up.


IN

Hartnell - perfect 2nd line big body, 25 plus goals, hits, skates decent
Drury - perfect 2nd line center, pairs with big Hartnell and lil Prucha
Hannan- tough as nails, defensive, 2nd pairing defensman. Hannan/Staal


OUT

Shanny- I luv the guy, but youth and salary cap is more important(Hartnell)
Malik - Rather have (Hannan)
Kasparaitis - washed up, huge coin, easily replaced (Staal)

UP

Staal - solid #4 (fingers crossed), would luv to see him paired with UFA Hannan
Dubinsky - put Cullen on this guys wing. Excited about this guy
Montoya - even if its for a couple games stretch a couple times a year to get a taste and give Henrik a few days rest at a time
In:
Hartnell - Big young and physical, same age as Hossa and more complete and was a first round pick.
Sarich - played with Mara on the Bolts, is physical and tough, I would also take Vishnevski, Vaananen, Hannan
Drury - mr. clutch

Out:
Malik - Slow and plays soft for a guy who is huge.
Hollweg - Byers or Korpikoski would add more to that line
Rachunek - id rather have pock or another rookie play everyday

Up:
Dubinsky - has size and skill and still young but a better option than Immonen
Byers - more physical and skill than Hollweg and bigger
Staal - a dman with size that hits and young.

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06-05-2007, 01:39 AM
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Just using the UFA list.

In: Scott Gomez (Hartnell is intriquing though)
Tom Preissing (if the price is right)
Arron Asham

Out: Kevin Weekes
Karel Rachunek
Colton Orr and/or Ryan Hollweg

Up: Al Montoya
Marc Staal (after training camp or before the season is over)
Brandon Dubinsky or Nigel Dawes.

I'm not saying that Asham is going to replace Orr as a fighter but the Rangers need to do something to upgrade the 4th line. Orr drags it down with his skating. Need to replace him with someone who can cover a bit more ground. Montoya replaces Weekes through natural selection. He's ready or ready enough and Weekes and Vally are mediocrities in today's NHL. Bringing in any other D-man leaves Rachunek the odd man out. Staal might do that already. I also think Baranka could take a spot. Ortmeyer may likely also be gone but to me he's much more valuable than Hollweg. Kasper is gone. I don't see him coming back.

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06-05-2007, 01:51 AM
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Just using the UFA list.

In: Scott Gomez (Hartnell is intriquing though)
Tom Preissing (if the price is right)
Arron Asham

Out: Kevin Weekes
Karel Rachunek
Colton Orr and/or Ryan Hollweg

Up: Al Montoya
Marc Staal (after training camp or before the season is over)
Brandon Dubinsky or Nigel Dawes.

I'm not saying that Asham is going to replace Orr as a fighter but the Rangers need to do something to upgrade the 4th line. Orr drags it down with his skating. Need to replace him with someone who can cover a bit more ground. Montoya replaces Weekes through natural selection. He's ready or ready enough and Weekes and Vally are mediocrities in today's NHL. Bringing in any other D-man leaves Rachunek the odd man out. Staal might do that already. I also think Baranka could take a spot. Ortmeyer may likely also be gone but to me he's much more valuable than Hollweg. Kasper is gone. I don't see him coming back.
id like Asham but if Byers can replace hollweg, Byers is younger, more skill and bigger. But Asham would not be a bad option as well.

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06-05-2007, 01:53 AM
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Just using the UFA list.

In: Scott Gomez (Hartnell is intriquing though)
Tom Preissing (if the price is right)
Arron Asham

Out: Kevin Weekes
Karel Rachunek
Colton Orr and/or Ryan Hollweg

Up: Al Montoya
Marc Staal (after training camp or before the season is over)
Brandon Dubinsky or Nigel Dawes.

I'm not saying that Asham is going to replace Orr as a fighter but the Rangers need to do something to upgrade the 4th line. Orr drags it down with his skating. Need to replace him with someone who can cover a bit more ground. Montoya replaces Weekes through natural selection. He's ready or ready enough and Weekes and Vally are mediocrities in today's NHL. Bringing in any other D-man leaves Rachunek the odd man out. Staal might do that already. I also think Baranka could take a spot. Ortmeyer may likely also be gone but to me he's much more valuable than Hollweg. Kasper is gone. I don't see him coming back.
Preissing is ok, id rather go for some grit on defense, guys like vaananen and vishnevski both still 26, Sarich who played on the same pair as Mara in Tampa Bay, and Hannan would be better options.

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Doesn't Hartnell have a concusion history? How severe were his concusions?


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06-05-2007, 10:03 AM
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06-05-2007, 10:24 AM
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Bob Esche - quality backup, should come real cheap
Hartnell - young, tough and skilled, what more do you need to know?
Forsberg - if we're going to get a second line center, I want it to be short-term and I want it to be a guy who will give Dubi a chance to shine. We know with Foppa's injury concerns he will certainly do so and being on the second line, we should not depend on him so much

Out:
Ortmeyer - I love the guy, but he is a third liner who brings nothing to the table on offense. We have defensive forwards who bring more in the AHL
Weekes - quality backup, but expensive
Rachunek - there is a reason he was let go back to Russia, he just not that good, time for Staal anyway

Up:
Staal - he's ready, either second pairing on bottom pairing, I'd like to see him paired with Mara, I think they could do some damage
Dawes - everybody says give him a chance in the top six, but at least give him a chance, this kid has stepped up at every level, he should be able to do it at this one
Dubinsky - I want him up as a fill in for Foppa when he gets injured and maybe if he proves he's ready full-time, but I think he could still use some more seasoning in the A for most of the season

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In: Hannan
Forsberg
Kariya
Out: Hollweg
Ortmeyer
Shanahan
Up: Byers
Montoya
Staal

I wanna run for the cup this year.

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In: Hannan
Forsberg
Kariya
Out: Hollweg
Ortmeyer
Shanahan
Up: Byers
Montoya
Staal

I wanna run for the cup this year.
"Kariya" means "No Cup"

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well put.
Seriously, I was thinking the same thing.

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06-05-2007, 11:19 AM
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Someone needs to look at the goalie stats from the other day.

http://hockeynumbers.blogspot.com/2007/04/goalie.html

Esche is fine on the low shots but horrible upstairs. Also not one of the more likeable personalities from what I hear. In any case Esche is not likely to want to spend the balance of the season sitting on the end of the bench and he's going to want a nice chunk of change. I'd suspect he'd want 30 games anyway. If you're going to split things that way--better off giving it to the youngster Montoya who (it feels like I've said this a thousand times) has done very very well in his first two seasons in the AHL. Some seem to have him written off as an eternal prospect.

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well put.
Seriously, I was thinking the same thing.
I third that. I want no part of Esche, I've never been convinced of his talent to be a starter or his personality to be a backup. He's just as inconsistent as Weekes and worse when both of their games are on. Few players are a better locker-room presence than Weekes, either.

Doesn't matter: Valley's going to be in. The role suits him and he's cheap.

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Hartnell - young, tough and skilled, what more do you need to know?
Hartnell is a very tempting possibility. Along with the attributes you have mentioned, he is also very versitile in that he is capable of playing all three Forward positions......and playing them without a loss of effectiveness.


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Forsberg - if we're going to get a second line center, I want it to be short-term and I want it to be a guy who will give Dubi a chance to shine. We know with Foppa's injury concerns he will certainly do so and being on the second line, we should not depend on him so much
I disagree. The Second Line was a mess last season, as was the Third line. Completely disjointed and no chemistry between linemates. I don't see Forsberg improving on that and making anything better.

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Ortmeyer - I love the guy, but he is a third liner who brings nothing to the table on offense. We have defensive forwards who bring more in the AHL
If you love the guy so much, then, you should know he's not a Third Liner. He's a Fourth Liner.

We have defensive forwards who bring more in the AHL? Who? And which one of those alleged Forwards have displayed (proven) the ability to do anything at the NHL level? Bringing more at the AHL, doesn't automatically mean they can do as well at the NHL level.


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Staal - he's ready, either second pairing on bottom pairing, I'd like to see him paired with Mara, I think they could do some damage
I don't believe there's any definitive evidence that Staal is ready for the NHL, yet.

He certainly appears to have developed and improved significanlty at the Junior level, this past season. But that hardly indicates he's ready for NHL talent, strength and speed. Let's hope he works out hard in the off-season and puts on some more muscle/weight. That would be a good step forward for him. But it's more likely he will need some time in Hartford, first.

Having said that, I really do hope you're right and that he is ready. That would be great!


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Dawes - everybody says give him a chance in the top six, but at least give him a chance, this kid has stepped up at every level, he should be able to do it at this one
He's had a few opportunities and he's done barely anything with them. Granted he wasn't consistently utilized in a role/position/line which makes the most of his individual skills and attributes. Maybe that happens in October and November of this upcoming season and he's makes the best of it.

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in : drury long term
timonen
forsberg short term

out :
weekes
nylander
rachunek

up :
staal
korpikoski
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Hedberg - I brought this up a while ago, I would love to bring him in to backup Henrik. Fellow Swede who can raise his level of play for short periods of time if Lundy misses any time.

Hannan - Exactly what we need on our blueline. I love his grit.

Nylander - I'll throw him here since technically he is no longer our property and I think it is a must we bring him back.


OUT

Shanny- Great addition last year for what he brought to the team on and off the ice but his lack of speed was really evident in the Buffalo series. He looked a step behind everyone.

Ortmeyer - No place for him. He is getting a little old in the tooth and he couldn't hit the net if it was the size of a soccer net.

Weekes - No need for him if we bring in Hedberg.


UP

Staal - Let's hope he lives up to all our expectations of him

Dubinsky - Love his tenacity

Dawes - We need to find out what we have in this guy this year




Lineup:

Forwards:

Jagr - Nylander - Straka
Dawes - Dubinsky - Avery
Prucha - Cullen - Callahan
Hollweg - Betts - Orr

Extra: Hossa

Defense:

Rozy - Hannan
Toots - Girardi
Staal - Mara

Extra: Malik, Pock

Goal:

Henrik
Hedberg

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Ortmeyer: Long in the tooth?

Oh man, that's the best one I've heard/read yet!!!


But I'm willing to bet he could score 50 goals if the net was as big as a soccer net

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Jed is gonna be 29 when next season starts. He is a solid 4th line player who is good at killing penalties and has Zero offensive ability. The only hole he is gonna leave is on the PK and i really believe Callahan could jump right into that role and do just as well as jed did. Cally is faster than jed and has the right mentality to put himself in front of shots like Jed. I know he is your namesake on your screen name but you gotta let go. It's not like we are talking about a 21-22 year old, the guy is almost 30 and has already hit his career ceiling potential, with all the young kids we have trying to make the roster Jed needs to go.

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I said Bob, basically because I want somebody who will come in real cheap, I think he knows he is not getting paid by any team in the NHL this season. Weekes is a great locker room guy, but quite expensive and not prone to stepping up when inserted in a game. He tends to need two or three games in a row before getting up to a level where we need him to play. Bob had a tendency in Philly to be able to come in for a game or two and step up. Granted that was because he wanted to win the starting position, but I think he has the mindset to be a backup in the NHL. Either way, I do think it is a necessity that we bring in an NHL backup, as I would like to see what Monty does with basically all of the starts in the AHL and there is always the possibility of him getting traded. But now that I have seen somebody say Hedberg, I would have to agree, I would LOVE to have that guy as a backup.

I stick with my original assessment except for replacing Bob with Johan, good call.

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Monty is going to be a prospect for the next ten years the way some would have it. St. Louis picked Schwarz right behind him and he's probably going to be in the NHL next year. Considering Monty has better numbers and the Wolfpack went with a ton of rookies last year I think it's time we think about taking a serious look at him. Give him every opportunity anyway during training camp to be the backup. Personally Esche, Vally, Weekes--whoever of the three or numerous other journeymen goaltenders around--if they're the backup and I was coaching Henrik would be playing 75 games minimum. If that were the case might as well do what the Devils do--have a minimum wage backup goalie. Neither Esche or Weekes fit that bill.

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Jed is gonna be 29 when next season starts. He is a solid 4th line player who is good at killing penalties and has Zero offensive ability. The only hole he is gonna leave is on the PK and i really believe Callahan could jump right into that role and do just as well as jed did. Cally is faster than jed and has the right mentality to put himself in front of shots like Jed. I know he is your namesake on your screen name but you gotta let go. It's not like we are talking about a 21-22 year old, the guy is almost 30 and has already hit his career ceiling potential, with all the young kids we have trying to make the roster Jed needs to go.
So 29-30 is "long in the tooth"?

Again, for the billionth time.......the Fourth Line is not a problem. In fact, they do exactly what they are supposed to do. Ortmeyer ain't holding any prospects back.

I love Callahan, but I have serious doubts he could do what Ortmeyer does.....night-in.......night-out. Callahan is an offensively talented/skilled player, and using him to kill as many penalties as this team takes; would be a major mistake.

You highly under-estimate/under-value Jed's defensive contribution, physical play and the energy he brings to this team.

Role players are what they are. There's a reason why they are important to the team. The Penalty Kill would not be the only place this team would miss him. Regardless of what you want to believe.

I'd bet if you talked to his teammates and said what you said; they'd look at you like you're out of your mind.

Still, "long in the tooth" at 29/30 years old? C' mon, that's some funny stuff!

If that's the case, then, the Rangers need to clear out Straka, Shanahan, Nylander, Jagr, Malik, Cullen and Isbister. Because, you know......they're "long in the tooth".

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I stick with my original assessment except for replacing Bob with Johan, good call.
You stick to the "assessment " that Ortmeyer is a Third Line player?

Is he a Third Line player because you say so, or because he's played a majority of his ice time....... on the Third Line?

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Straka - Nylander - Jagr
Shanahan - Lecavalier - Getzlaf
Cullen - Drury - Avery
Callahan - Dubinsky - Betts

Sratches: Hossa, Prucha, Orr

Staal - Rozsival
Tyutin - Girardi
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So 29-30 is "long in the tooth"?

Again, for the billionth time.......the Fourth Line is not a problem. In fact, they do exactly what they are supposed to do. Ortmeyer ain't holding any prospects back.

I love Callahan, but I have serious doubts he could do what Ortmeyer does.....night-in.......night-out. Callahan is an offensively talented/skilled player, and using him to kill as many penalties as this team takes; would be a major mistake.

You highly under-estimate/under-value Jed's defensive contribution, physical play and the energy he brings to this team.

Role players are what they are. There's a reason why they are important to the team. The Penalty Kill would not be the only place this team would miss him. Regardless of what you want to believe.

I'd bet if you talked to his teammates and said what you said; they'd look at you like you're out of your mind.

Still, "long in the tooth" at 29/30 years old? C' mon, that's some funny stuff! If that's the case, then, the Rangers need to clear out Straka, Shanahan, Nylander, Jagr, Malik, Cullen and Isbister. Because, you know......they're "long in the tooth".

Its hard to have a logical debate with you on this topic because of your fanatical love towards jed, but I'll try.

There is a natural turnover to a roster that happens over time. The older players get replaced with younger ones. The talent of the player determines how long he sticks around for. Players like Jagr, Nylander, Straka etc are gonna stick around longer because they produce for the team and they are top 2 line players. So comparing them to someone like Jed is pure lunacy.

We both agreed that Jed is a 4th line player and nothing more. The negative of being regarded as nothing more than a 4th line player is that when you get to the 29,30,31 age you get replaced with someone younger because there are always a ton of young players waiting to "play with heart" who have 4th line talent to replace you.

We'll take someone like Ryan Hollweg as an example. He is 24 years old. 5 Years younger than Jed. If Ryan manages to stay on the team until he is 29 the age jed currently is, and he shows that he will never be anything more than a 4th line player then he'll soon feel the footsteps of some 21-22 year old hungry to take his spot. Thats the life of a 4th line player in the NHL. In terms of bringing energy to the team and the crowd you can argue that Hollweg brings more energy than Jed does.

So when I refer to jed as "old in the tooth", its because for a player who has topped out in terms of potential and has shown that he is a solid 4th line player but nothing more he is "old in the tooth". Is that to say jed couldn't still give us 1 or 2 more years of admirable play where he puts his body on the line for the team, maybe, but there isn't alot of 32-33 year olds blocking shots in the league. There is a reason for that, most of that work is done by the young kids who fill out the bottom two lines.

Let me also go on record by saying I loved the way Jed played for us, i think he was a breath of fresh air that this organization desperately needed because he played like his life depended on every shift and we needed that after watching players come here and treat this like a retirment home. With that said the reality of the situation is that good teams/organizations, which i think we are now, let 29 year old 4th line players walk when their contract ends because they have someone waiting in the wings ready to jump into that spot. It's the life of a 4th liner. Your the first guy to get replaced by the young hungry kid.

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