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06-14-2007, 10:54 PM
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Alfie didn't even make the top 10 in Selke voting, what a gyp.

Looks like Fish came in fifth.

edit: second team allstars: Vanek-Lecavalier-St. Louis, Boyle(!)-Pronger, Luongo. That's a lot of noms for a team that barely squeeked into the playoffs.

Murray finished tenth in Adams voting.

No Senators defenseman was near the top ten in Norris voting. Kind of hoped one of Phillips or Volchenkov could squeek in.

No Senator came in the top 10 in Hart voting, but Hossa came in 10th.

All in all a very poor showing for the Sens.

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I should've gone. Just to ask Jordan Staal if anyone's ever called him Stool.

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damn that Toronto media...



Alfie deserved a nomination, or at least a new award for best red haired baldy.... something.

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Some more voting:

Hart: Heatley in 12th, Alfie tied for 16th

Norris makes me want to cry, Tom Preissing in 15th (!!!!), Phillips in 18th and Volchenkov in 23rd. Honestly... what the hell? Preissing the 15th best defenseman in the NHL? He was the 6th most important on our team!

Lady Byng, Alfie in 21st (I'm sure Ducks/Leafs/Sabres fans love this one), Tom Preissing in 41st. No Spezza this time around, guess the Ruutu elbowing didn't help.

Selke, Fisher in 5th, Alfie in 11th (well, it's about as close to the top 10 as you can get, but he deserved 4th or 5th like Fish), Kelly 19th (awesome!), Heatley 47th, Vermette tied for 50th. In conclusion, we've got two-way forwards up the ying yang. Nice to see guys like Kels and Vermette getting consideration.

edit: can't find Pearson info anywhere, would be interesting to see how Heater/Alfie ranked in the eyes of their peers


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Norris makes me want to cry, Tom Preissing in 15th (!!!!), Phillips in 18th and Volchenkov in 23rd. Honestly... what the hell? Preissing the 15th best defenseman in the NHL? He was the 6th most important on our team!
What jokers vote on this? They should revoke the right to vote from anyone who voted for Priessing. seriously they must have just looked at the plus/minus and pencilled him in. It is sickening. I like Priessing but to think some people voted him among the top 5 defencemen in the NHL. (i think they select 5) What a joke.

Priessing might be the top 6th Defenceman in the NHL. Not the 6th best defenceman!

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15. Tom Preissing, OTT 15 (0-0-1-3-1)

So yes, 1 guy considers him the 5th best defenseman in the NHL, 3 (!) guys consider him the 4th, and one ****ing idiot considers Tom Preissing to be a better/more valuable/something more than one of Pronger, Neidermayer or Lidstrom. A veritable headscratcher.


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15. Tom Preissing, OTT 15 (0-0-1-3-1)

So yes, 1 guy considers him the 5th best defenseman in the NHL, 3 (1) guys consider him the 4th, and one ****ing idiot considers Tom Preissing to be a better/more valuable/something more than one of Pronger, Neidermayer or Lidstrom. A veritable headscratcher.
Where did you get the voting numbers. I can't find them

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dont get me wrong, cause im a huge TP fan, but what nutjob has him ranked the third best defenseman in the league???

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2006-2007 Hart Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Sidney Crosby, PIT 1225 (91-34-14-2-1)
2. Roberto Luongo, VAN 801 (25-46-35-16-6)
3. Martin Brodeur, NJ 763 (21-45-39-12-7)
4. Vincent Lecavalier, T.B. 362 (5-6-22-48-16)
5. Joe Thornton, S.J. 230 (0-8-11-27-38)
6. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 53 (1-1-3-4-9)
7. Scott Niedermayer, ANA 45 (0-1-3-4-11)
8. Joe Sakic, COL 44 (0-0-4-5-9)
9. Teemu Selanne, ANA 36 (0-0-2-6-8)
10. Marian Hossa, ATL 35 (0-0-3-4-8)
11. Daniel Briere, BUF 33 (0-2-0-5-4)
12. Dany Heatley, OTT 28 (0-0-2-3-9)
13. Chris Drury, BUF 14 (0-0-1-2-3)
14. Martin St. Louis, T.B. 12 (0-0-1-2-1)
15. Jarome Iginla, CGY 10 (0-0-0-2-4)
16. Paul Kariya, NSH 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Daniel Alfredsson, OTT 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Brendan Shanahan, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
19. Jaromir Jagr, NYR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
20. Marian Gaborik, MIN 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Ryan Miller, BUF 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
22. Dominik Hasek, DET 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Thomas Vanek, BUF 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Alex Ovechkin, WSH 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Chris Pronger, ANA 1 (0-0-0-0-1)


2006-2007 Norris Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 1217 (87-44-5-4-2)
2. Scott Niedermayer, ANA 1024 (46-62-22-6-2)
3. Chris Pronger, ANA 608 (6-25-55-28-14)
4. Dan Boyle, T.B. 219 (1-5-21-19-12)
5. Kimmo Timonen, NSH 144 (0-2-9-24-13)
6. Dion Phaneuf, CGY 98 (0-1-6-17-10)
7. Sergei Gonchar, PIT 85 (1-1-6-8-14)
8. Sheldon Souray, MTL 67 (1-0-5-7-11)
9. Sergei Zubov, DAL 42 (0-0-4-5-7)
10. Brian Campbell, BUF 42 (0-0-3-4-15)
11. Jay Bouwmeester, FLA 32 (0-0-2-5-7)
12. Philippe Boucher, DAL 27 (1-1-1-0-5)
13. Ryan Whitney, PIT 20 (0-0-0-5-5)
14. Brian Rafalski, N.J. 18 (0-0-1-2-7)
15. Tom Preissing, OTT 15 (0-0-1-3-1)
16. Lubomir Visnovsky, L.A. 12 (0-1-0-0-5)
17. Tomas Kaberle, TOR 12 (0-0-0-3-3)
18. Chris Phillips, OTT 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
19. Keith Carney, MIN 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
20. Zdeno Chara, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
21. Mathieu Schneider, DET 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Robyn Regehr, CGY 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
23. Anton Volchenkov, OTT 3 (0-0-0-0-3)
24. Andrei Markov, MTL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Bryan McCabe, TOR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Alexei Zhitnik, ATL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Kevin Bieksa, VAN 1 (0-0-0-0-1)


2006-2007 Vezina Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd
1. Martin Brodeur, N.J. 122 (16-14-0)
2. Roberto Luongo, VAN 116 (14-15-1)
3. Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 7 (0-0-7)
Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 7 (0-0-7)
5. Dominik Hasek, DET 5 (0-0-5)
6. Niklas Backstrom, MIN 4 (0-1-1)
7. Ryan Miller, BUF 4 (0-0-4)
8. Rick DiPietro, NYI 2 (0-0-2)
J-S Giguere, ANA 2 (0-0-2)
10. Chris Mason, NSH 1 (0-0-1)

2006-2007 Jack Adams Award Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd
1. Alain Vigneault, VAN 134 (18-12-8)
2. Lindy Ruff, BUF 126 (11-18-17)
3. Michel Therrien, PIT 91 (11-10-6)
4. Barry Trotz, NSH 89 (11-7-13)
5. Ted Nolan, NYI 47 (5-5-7)
6. Mike Babcock, DET 40 (4-6-2)
7. Jacques Lemaire, MIN 32 (2-7-1)
8. Randy Carlyle, ANA 20 (3-1-2)
9. Dave Tippett, DAL 17 (1-3-3)
10. Bryan Murray, OTT 15 (3-0-0)
11. Claude Julien, N.J. 13 (1-1-5)
12. Tom Renney, NYR 11 (2-0-1)
13. Andy Murray, STL 5 (0-1-2)
14. Bob Hartley, ATL 4 (0-1-1)
15. Ron Wilson, S.J. 2 (0-0-2)
16. Paul Maurice, TOR 1 (0-0-1)
Joel Quenneville, COL 1 (0-0-1)


2006-2007 Calder Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Evgeni Malkin, PIT 1357 (120-21-2-0-0)
2. Paul Stastny, COL 965 (16-95-25-5-0)
3. Jordan Staal, PIT 565 (6-14-52-45-12)
4. Anze Kopitar, LA 417 (0-8-40-45-26)
5. Dustin Penner, ANA 107 (0-2-6-11-30)
6. Marc-Edouard Vlasic, S.J. 96 (1-0-8-11-13)
7. Matt Carle, S.J. 95 (0-0-5-13-31)
8. Wojtek Wolski, COL 30 (0-0-1-5-10)
9. Alexander Radulov, NSH 23 (0-1-1-2-5)
10. Travis Zajac, N.J. 13 (0-0-0-2-7)
11. Phil Kessel, BOS 11 (0-0-1-2-0)
12. Mike Smith, DAL 10 (0-0-1-1-2)
13. Gilbert Brule, CBJ 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Ryane Clowe, S.J. 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Dan Girardi, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Josh Harding, MIN 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Drew Stafford, BUF 1 (0-0-0-0-1)


2006-2007 Lady Byng Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 705 (38-26-18-15-8)
2. Martin St. Louis, T.B. 513 (26-19-19-6-7)
3. Joe Sakic, COL 354 (17-17-7-9-3)
4. Jay Pandolfo, N.J. 243 (16-5-7-4-1)
5. Pierre-Marc Bouchard, MIN 167 (6-3-13-4-9)
6. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 147 (5-8-4-6-3)
7. Kristian Huselius, CGY 135 (4-6-6-6-5)
8. Tomas Kaberle, TOR 122 (1-9-6-5-4)
9. Teemu Selanne, ANA 107 (6-4-1-4-2)
10. Brad Richards, T.B. 107 (3-4-5-6-6)
11. Chris Drury, BUF 105 (2-5-5-7-4)
12. Patrick Marleau, S.J. 94 (0-5-7-6-6)
13. Jarome Iginla, CGY 84 (4-1-5-3-3)
14. Joe Thornton, S.J. 72 (2-3-3-4-4)
15. Paul Kariya, NSH 52 (1-1-4-4-3)
16. Daniel Sedin, VAN 52 (0-2-3-5-8)
17. Thomas Vanek, BUF 43 (2-1-1-3-2)
18. Marian Hossa, ATL 36 (1-0-4-1-3)
19. Vincent Lecavalier, T.B. 32 (1-1-2-0-5)
20. Vyacheslav Kozlov, ATL 27 (1-1-0-3-1)
21. Daniel Alfredsson, OTT 27 (0-1-1-4-3)
22. Steve Sullivan, NSH 26 (0-2-1-2-1)
23. Sergei Zubov, DAL 25 (0-1-1-3-4)
24. Kyle Wellwood, TOR 21 (0-1-1-2-3)
25. Andrew Brunette, COL 20 (0-1-1-2-2)
Jere Lehtinen, DAL 20 (0-1-1-2-2)
27. Jussi Jokinen, DAL 19 (0-1-0-4-0)
28. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 18 (1-0-1-1-0)
29. Sidney Crosby, PIT 17 (1-1-0-0-0)
30. Markus Naslund, VAN 16 (1-0-1-0-1)
31. Patrice Bergeron, BOS 16 (1-0-0-1-3)
32. Mark Recchi, PIT 15 (0-2-0-0-1)
Mark Streit, MTL 15 (0-2-0-0-1)
34. Jaromir Jagr, NYR 14 (0-2-0-0-0)
35. Simon Gagne, PHI 14 (0-0-2-1-1)
36. Rod Brind’Amour, CAR 13 (1-0-0-1-0)
37. Daniel Briere, BUF 12 (0-1-0-1-2)
38. Mike Modano, DAL 12 (0-0-1-2-1)
39. Tim Taylor, T.B. 11 (0-1-0-1-1)
40. Mike Knuble, PHI 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
41. Tom Preissing, OTT 10 (0-0-2-0-0)
42. Jordan Staal, PIT 9 (0-1-0-0-2)
43. J.P. Dumont, NSH 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
Brian Rafalski, N.J. 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
45. David Legwand, NSH 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
Trevor Linden, VAN 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic, S.J. 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
48. Martin Straka, NYR 7 (0-0-0-0-7)
49. Pavol Demitra, MIN 6 (0-0-1-0-1)
50. Mike Ribeiro, DAL 6 (0-0-0-2-0)
51. Philippe Boucher, DAL 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Chad LaRose, CAR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Andy McDonald, ANA 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Scott Niedermayer, ANA 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Michael Nylander, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
57. John Madden, N.J. 5 (0-0-0-1-2)
Zach Parise, N.J. 5 (0-0-0-1-2)
59. Phil Kessel, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
60. Jason Blake, NYI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Martin Brodeur, N.J. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Martin Gelinas, FLA 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Mark Parrish, MIN 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Ryan Smyth, NYI 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
David Vyborny, CBJ 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Travis Zajac, N.J. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
67. Wojtek Wolski, COL 3 (0-0-0-0-3)
68. Chris Higgins, MTL 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
69. Tony Amonte, CGY 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Shane Doan, PHX 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Jeff Hamilton, CHI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Roberto Luongo, VAN 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Toby Petersen, EDM 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Lee Stempniak, STL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Cam Ward, CAR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Doug Weight, STL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Stephen Weiss, FLA 1 (0-0-0-0-1)


2006-2007 Frank Selke Trophy Voting
Pts. 1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th
1. Rod Brind’Amour, CAR 420 (16-21-7-23-9)
2. Samuel Pahlsson, ANA 405 (24-8-18-4-7)
3. Jay Pandolfo, N.J. 311 (16-10-10-7-10)
4. Chris Drury, BUF 300 (18-6-9-10-3)
5. Mike Fisher, OTT 272 (12-10-12-4-10)
6. Jere Lehtinen, DAL 211 (2-13-13-8-11)
7. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 200 (9-9-5-6-4)
8. Kris Draper, DET 183 (2-11-10-10-6)
9. Daymond Langkow, CGY 170 (6-7-9-3-7)
10. John Madden, N.J. 166 (5-9-4-8-9)
11. Daniel Alfredsson, OTT 139 (7-6-2-4-5)
12. David Legwand, NSH 103 (3-5-4-5-3)
13. Jordan Staal, PIT 83 (1-3-7-4-5)
14. Thomas Vanek, BUF 77 (3-3-3-3-2)
15. Joe Sakic, COL 75 (5-1-1-4-1)
16. Brian Rolston, MIN 74 (1-3-6-3-4)
17. Derek Roy, BUF 47 (2-2-1-2-2)
18. Martin St. Louis, T.B. 46 (3-2-0-0-2)
19. Chris Kelly, OTT 46 (0-3-2-4-3)
20. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 37 (1-2-2-1-0)
21. Joe Thornton, S.J. 27 (1-1-0-3-1)
22. Patrick Marleau, S.J. 20 (1-0-2-0-0)
23. Mike Sillinger, NYI 19 (0-1-0-3-3)
24. Jochen Hecht, BUF 11 (0-1-0-1-1)
25. Teemu Selanne, ANA 11 (0-0-2-0-1)
26. Shane Doan, PHX 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
Marian Hossa, ATL 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
Ian Laperriere, COL 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
29. Scott Gomez, N.J. 10 (0-1-0-1-0)
30. Mike Grier, S.J. 10 (0-0-1-1-2)
Olli Jokinen, FLA 10 (0-0-1-1-2)
32. Sergei Fedorov, CBJ 9 (0-1-0-0-2)
33. Kristian Huselius, CGY 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
34. Shawn Horcoff, EDM 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
Henrik Sedin, VAN 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
36. Radek Bonk, MTL 7 (0-0-1-0-2)
37. Mikko Koivu, MIN 7 (0-0-0-2-1)
Jason Pominville, BUF 7 (0-0-0-2-1)
39. Johan Franzen, DET 6 (0-0-1-0-1)
Bobby Holik, ATL 6 (0-0-1-0-1)
41. Vincent Lecavalier, T.B. 6 (0-0-0-2-0)
42. Blair Betts, NYR 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Pierre-Marc Bouchard, MIN 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Steve Sullivan, NSH 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Keith Tkachuk, ATL 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
Todd White, MIN 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
47. Dany Heatley, OTT 5 (0-0-0-1-2)
48. Brad Richards, T.B. 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
Wes Walz, MIN 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
50. Chris Clark, WSH 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Jaromir Jagr, NYR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Matthew Lombardi, CGY 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Mark Parrish, MIN 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Yanic Perreault, TOR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Alexander Radulov, NSH 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
Antoine Vermette, OTT 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
57. Stephane Yelle, CGY 3 (0-0-0-0-3)
58. Bryan Smolinski, VAN 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
59. Sean Avery, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Curtis Brown, S.J. 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Trent Hunter, NYI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Sami Kapanen, PHI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Chris Kunitz, ANA 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Todd Marchant, ANA 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Michael Nylander, NYR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Chris Simon, NYI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Ryan Smyth, NYI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Maxime Talbot, PIT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

Don't have the numbers for the LBP and a couple other awards.

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Also, a big at whoever voted Souray as the #1 defenseman in the league.

Philly got no recognition whatsoever, ONE GUY gave him a second place vote, and nobody else even bothered.

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16. Tom Preissing, OTT 15 (0-4-3)

NHL All-Star Voting.

So there are only 3 votes by each voter.

SEVEN people think Priessing is better than Pronger/Lidstrom/Niedermeyer

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I just don't get it. Does the +/- stat make up 90% of their voting criteria?

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I just don't get it. Does the +/- stat make up 90% of their voting criteria?
If you don't know much about hockey - meaning you get to vote for the awards because you are a "media member" but don't watch any games really, don't even watch the highlights on the Sports Channel. You don't even look at any stats on NHL.com while you prepare your votes aside from the most simplistic ones like points and +/-.

Really you don't even try. I mean I could understand (a bit) these jokers (well frauds) voting for guys with name recognition, like say Chelios or Sundin or something. But to vote for a no name like Priessing that if you voted for him you have to actually have never heard of him.

I think all 7 of those voters did not see him play one game, and when they voted for him they had NOT HEARD OF HIM. If you put a made up player on the stats sheet they looked at with slightly better stats:

Grumpy McPuckgonads 11 goals 30 assists plus 42. Then those guys would have voted for a made up player that did not exist.

Tom Priessing was 195th in the NHL among TOI per game with 15:15. 130th overal in total time on ice.

He played 8 seconds a game on the PK. He was 6th among Ottawa D-Men in ice time. A forward on Ottawa killed penalties as a defenceman rather than allowing Priessing to kill them. If a top 4 D-Man was injured a forward moved in to play in the top 4 on Ottawa at Even Strength rather than resort to Priessing.

But apparently some "hockey experts" peg him at 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th best in the NHL.

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I didn't even watch...Versus screwed up and they were tape delaying instead. I knew the results before the show would have aired anyway.

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B Murrrr got three 1st place votes for the Jack Adams trophy. Not bad.

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B Murrrr got three 1st place votes for the Jack Adams trophy. Not bad.
Yup. I noticed that. I'm glad he got some recognition, albeit minor.

It was a tremendous in-season turnaround, which was initiated through the coach.

As for the rest of the award voting, here's my thoughts:

-Alfie being lower than he should does anger me a bit, but, when you look at the vote totals, you realize he was getting a fair degree of respect. Ottawa having 5 separate guys who received a vote for the award really tells the story though. I think people in Ottawa have a hard time to get consensus on who the best on Ottawa is, so, it's understandable if hockey writers from other cities can't figure it out.

-The Norris voting can be a real joke. It simply is someone who barely covers their own team, and, has no idea how to evaluate defensive ability, and just grabs some stats to help fill out their ballot. It's the same on the Selke. There is no reason why Tomas Vanek should be considered one of hte top defensive forwards, yet, he grabbed quite a few votes. Plus/Minus stats was the deciding factor there as well.

-I'm suprised Heatley wasn't higher in Hart voting. I don't think he warranted much personally, but, given he finished 11th last year, and this year, he had hte best year of all the forwards (due to Alfie's slow start), and played a better all around game, I thought he'd get more consideration. But, it's more likely a product of last year's ranking being based on stats jockeys. Since he had the same statistical output, I shouldn't be suprised it's the same amout of votes.

-I thought Emery would get at least a couple of votes his way, but, wiht voting only for the top 3 slots, and only 30 voters, there wasn't much leeway. It'll be interesting to see how many Calgary and Ranger fans tout their goalie's nomination as a testament to their great season, without realizing how few votes either of them got. Both had 7 3rd place votes, with no second or first place votes at all. It was a two horse race all the way.

-As bad as the voting was by some of the hockey writers, the NHL could never really punish them for it. These are the same guys the NHL is trying to convince to be reporting on hockey more. It's a crappy system, where those who care about the game the least, have a profound impact on it. Of course, the one recognition that the fans get to vote on, almost saw Rory Fitzpatrick go to the all-star game, so, I guess it may not be perfect, but, it's better than some of the alternatives.

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-As bad as the voting was by some of the hockey writers, the NHL could never really punish them for it. These are the same guys the NHL is trying to convince to be reporting on hockey more. It's a crappy system, where those who care about the game the least, have a profound impact on it. Of course, the one recognition that the fans get to vote on, almost saw Rory Fitzpatrick go to the all-star game, so, I guess it may not be perfect, but, it's better than some of the alternatives.
Voting for Rory Fitzpatrick was a statement. Kind of a Political statement perhaps against idiots that are accreditted journalists who would vote Priessing the second best defenceman in All-Star voting or 3rd in Norris voting.

Anyone that votes Priessing one of the top D-Men in the NHL should not be voting on NHL awards.

Let the players coaches and GMs vote on the trophies then. Screw the media. The players sure as heck wouldn't vote for Priessing for Norris or Vanek for Selke.

It wouldn't be as bad if one guy voted for Priessing. But SEVEN guys in the All-Star voting and FIVE in Norris voting. That is sad and embarrassing. It really reads like I said in an earlier posts.

They do not know who Priessing is. They would have voted for a monkey if you put his stats on a sheet of paper a tad better than Priessings. It is offensive and stupid.

I can see Homer voting by the media but I doubt any of Priessings votes came from Garoich or the Ottawa Media. I can see big name voting and Chelios getting undeserved votes on his name and HHOF career if a guy doesn't know the players as much as he clearly should. But Priessing? He is a no-name whoever voted for him had no idea who he was, his game, his status on his team. Nothing at all.

And I like Priessing, I'd like to resign him, I could see him playing more than 15 minutes a game and he definately had a great season. But he no where near the top 5 Defenceman in the NHL. He isn't even near a top 50 defenceman in the NHL.

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Voting for Rory Fitzpatrick was a statement. Kind of a Political statement perhaps against idiots that are accreditted journalists who would vote Priessing the second best defenceman in All-Star voting or 3rd in Norris voting.

Anyone that votes Priessing one of the top D-Men in the NHL should not be voting on NHL awards.

Let the players coaches and GMs vote on the trophies then. Screw the media. The players sure as heck wouldn't vote for Priessing for Norris or Vanek for Selke.

It wouldn't be as bad if one guy voted for Priessing. But SEVEN guys in the All-Star voting and FIVE in Norris voting. That is sad and embarrassing. It really reads like I said in an earlier posts.

They do not know who Priessing is. They would have voted for a monkey if you put his stats on a sheet of paper a tad better than Priessings. It is offensive and stupid.

I can see Homer voting by the media but I doubt any of Priessings votes came from Garoich or the Ottawa Media. I can see big name voting and Chelios getting undeserved votes on his name and HHOF career if a guy doesn't know the players as much as he clearly should. But Priessing? He is a no-name whoever voted for him had no idea who he was, his game, his status on his team. Nothing at all.
I voted for Rory as well, but, you can't say it was a political statement whole-heartedly. Everyone voted for different reasons.

The voting was bad, but, put it into context. It's only the winner that matters, and, they got those right for the most part. I actually have a tough time disagreeing with the nominees.

Hockey is not a game that is measured well by stats, but, in any situatino like this, people will defer to stats where they lack first-hand knowledge. As long as those guys stay in the slim minority, it doesn't bother me too much.

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I voted for Rory as well, but, you can't say it was a political statement whole-heartedly. Everyone voted for different reasons.

The voting was bad, but, put it into context. It's only the winner that matters, and, they got those right for the most part. I actually have a tough time disagreeing with the nominees.

Hockey is not a game that is measured well by stats, but, in any situatino like this, people will defer to stats where they lack first-hand knowledge. As long as those guys stay in the slim minority, it doesn't bother me too much.
Voting doesn't matter in the big picture. But it should matter to the NHL. It think there are around 145 voters for the All-Star team and 7 voted for Priessing in the top 3? That is 5% of the voters.

It isn't that big of deal in the big picture as deserving players won all the awards.

Off the Priessing issue:

Look at the Selke. The Selke is a tough trophy to vote for as so many players got a lot of votes. But Pahlsson got more 1st place votes than any other player and then got so many less latter place votes he finished 2nd. That is because the East voters didn't vote for him - not even in 4th or 5th just becuse they did not see him play much. If you look at the voting numbers he seems like he could be the most deserving candidate.

Back to the Priessing issue - What bothers me so much is that people who never watched a hockey game or only a couple of games all year got to vote and voted for him. It is so sad that that happens. Only 145 or less voters and the NHL allows 5% or more of those that barely watched a game and are not even hockey fans to vote for the winner? Worse thant the fans voting. At least they care even if they are massive homers and perhaps not that knowledgabkle about other teams/divisions/ conferences.

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Heatleys good but he is no Gomez.


Awesome stuff Heatley.
I know Heats had back to back 50/100 - Gomez had what 10 goals? Are you kidding?

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BTW, is it safe to say that Heatley's placement on the first all-star team is the greatest individual honour that a Senator has received?

THe only individual trophy that has ever been won was Alfie's Calder, which, while is a nice award, but, a Calder is never really mentioned as a big achievement when looking back on a career. It's not a measure of being one of the best in the league, just, the best among rookies.

Last year, both Alfie and Heatley got on the second all-star team. Other than that, there's been some nominations, but no awards. Yashin finished second in Hart voting. Arvedson and Fisher have Selke nominees. Alfie has a Lady Byng nomination.

I think this might be the highest individual honour ever received by a Senator.

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Tough to say. I was looking over this stuff last night, and Chara did make the first team in 03-04. So you could consider that equal with Heatley, although RW is so deep in this league that making the first team over Hossa, Jagr, Iginla, Selanne, and Alfredsson all who could make a solid case for first team, is quite a feat.

I still think Yashin's second place Hart finish is the greatest achievement even if he didn't win it. No one else has even sniffed at it, though Alfie did finish in 5th last year. Since that's the most important trophy, I'd almost place it above winning a lesser trophy.

Jacques Martin also had incredible voting success as our coach. He was in the top 3 for 4 of his years here, and won it in 98-99, during an era that had Scotty Bowman, Jacques Lemaire, Ken Hitchcock, Joel Quenneville and Marc Crawford/Bob Hartley establish regular season dominance we hadn't seen in years, and yet Martin was still recognised as better than these guys consistently in the eyes of the voters. Of course, it wasn't a player achievement.

I do think players, GMs and coaches should be the ones voting, without a doubt. Even just to have a more varied opinion of 1000+ people rather than 150 indifferent guys. I would be much more sastified winning an award based on the acceptance of my peers and assessors.

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Forgot about Chara. That's an equal achievement. As deep as the RW is in the league, defence is an even harder nut to crack.

I forgot that Martin actually won as coach of the year. I thought he was just runner up.

As good as Yashin's Hart nomination was, I still hold any achievement (like an all-star selection) over a nomination. It's still one of the best regular seasons ever had by an OTtawa Senator (probably between Alfie's season last year, and that year for the best one ever).

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A few more votes, this time for the all-star selection

Spezza finished 9th for centres, with a whopping 1 third-place vote (this is no suprise, the injury didn't help and you'd be crazy not to place Crosby-Thornton-Lecavalier 1-2-3 in some order)
Heatley finished 4th in LW voting (including 24 first place votes, just two less than second-team all-star Vanek) and 1st in RW voting.
Daniel Alfredsson was 7th in RW voting, with 2 first place votes

Defense: Preissing 16th, Phillips 17th, Volchenkov 21st

Emery did not receive a single vote in any of the goaltending categories, however there were only 3 spots and you'd be crazy to rank Emery as one of the top 3 goaltenders in the league. Had there been 5 spots, he might have received a vote or two.

edit: in all, Heatley received 99 first place votes out of 143.

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Why is it that so many people over the past 2 years have been so eager to see Heatley leave? It doesn't make any sense for anybody to want the franchise record-holder in both single-season goals and points to leave.
It's quite simple: we didn't draft him, so there's always that nagging feeling that we're not his "first love"; people then assume that he has less loyalty to our organisation and will bolt at the first chance he gets.

It's much easier to "fall in love" with a player the organisation drafted and developed. There's a stronger connection with the serious fans.

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