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06-15-2007, 05:44 PM
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How bout Souray?

Now before you start flaming me on how bad he is 1 on 1 and how he can be a defensive liability, you should hear me out first. Sheldon is a big, tough, offensive, and a great leader. Oh ya and he can break the rubber off the puck with his slapshot. Now I realize he isnt good 1 on 1 but every where else he is solid defensively. Put him with a guy like Niedermayer who can get back for him, and we would be that much better. Think about this:

Niedermayer - Souray
Pronger - Beauchemin
Huskins - O'Donnell

Teams would tremble facing this defence. Though I do have a question, would we have the cap space? Im thinking Giguere would have to go which wouldnt be great, but if there was some way we could fit both Souray and Giguere in with another forward (or Selanne), would you be interested in him?

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06-15-2007, 06:09 PM
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The best defence consistency ever... But I think he would pay for the Ducks too much.... I think we'd rather take for example Jackman. We nevertheless could take the Cup!

So I've drunk... I'm sorry about some errors in my writing...

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No. Plus, he wouldnt get anywhere near the PP time he got in Montreal, and his point totals would take a huge hit. Id rather spend the money on a forward.

HOWEVER

If rumors about Scotty retiring are true, then yeah, Id take him.

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06-15-2007, 06:18 PM
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If rumors about Scotty retiring are true, then yeah, Id take him.
I forget this! That's it that I'd sign! But I really don't believe Nieds would retire...

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06-15-2007, 06:39 PM
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No. Plus, he wouldnt get anywhere near the PP time he got in Montreal, and his point totals would take a huge hit. Id rather spend the money on a forward.
Yes, his point total would decline; but having him would definitely be an improvement of our current defensive lines. Going to the PP against the Ducks would be deadly.

It's hard to see what we need without knowing if Selanne will stay or not.

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06-15-2007, 06:49 PM
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I don't know why its such a bad idea to put Scotty on the 2nd powerplay unit anyways. I mean he doesn't have to play 30 minutes a game...

Having said that I don't know how good Souray is defensively.

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06-15-2007, 08:14 PM
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no...bring back O'Donnell or sign another stable #4 d-man for 2 million...do not spend 5 million on Souray.

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06-16-2007, 01:59 AM
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no...bring back O'Donnell or sign another stable #4 d-man for 2 million...do not spend 5 million on Souray.

I agree.

O'Donnell is a perfect fit next season if there are no reported injuries.
Scott is not going to retire.

Souray is not worth the money. Nope.

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06-16-2007, 10:23 AM
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Well if Giggy leaves Souray would definately give Bryz some needed help

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Well if Giggy leaves Souray would definately give Bryz some needed help
beacuse Bryz does not score enough goals?

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06-16-2007, 11:16 AM
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I've never liked Souray very much... Scott should be focusing on the offense instead of backing Souray up. Re-sign O'Donnell and bring Vishnevski back.

S. Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Pronger - O'Donnell
Vishnevski - Huskins
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Thats my favorite idea yet. Vish would be an ideal #5 or 6 for this team, although I doubt Burke would bring him back. Is he a UFA?

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06-16-2007, 01:19 PM
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I've never liked Souray very much... Scott should be focusing on the offense instead of backing Souray up. Re-sign O'Donnell and bring Vishnevski back.

S. Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Pronger - O'Donnell
Vishnevski - Huskins
(DiPenta/Kondratiev/Rome)
Don't mean to harp on you, but why are you so set on seeing former Ducks return to the team? Players move on and I can tell you Vish can get a lot more from other teams than what Burke would be willing to give.

But to the discussion in hand. Souray will go to the highest bidder which won't be us. If Scotty retires, which I think he won't, it probably won't be for at least a month or two. By that time Souray, Rafalski, Hannan, Rivet and Tmmonen will most likely all have been signed. Basically, if Scotty retires he'll wound our d-line pretty bad which is why I don't think he'll do it.

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How do the $$ count from retired players with an ongoing contract?

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06-16-2007, 02:17 PM
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I've never liked Souray very much... Scott should be focusing on the offense instead of backing Souray up. Re-sign O'Donnell and bring Vishnevski back.

S. Niedermayer - Beauchemin
Pronger - O'Donnell
Vishnevski - Huskins
(DiPenta/Kondratiev/Rome)

I like this idea. It would be cheaper and I like him more. Keep the top 4 the same. At the same time I wouldn't be too disapointed if huskins was still paired with jackman or dipenta again.

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06-16-2007, 02:39 PM
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With Pronger and Beauchemin, we don't really need Souray. I like O'Donnell as a #4 Dman but he is definitely overprice as a #5-6 Dman if that is the case.

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06-16-2007, 03:31 PM
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We should just keep it simple... Instead of spending money on another top 10 d-man in the league, develop Beauchemin into one.

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If we we're looking for a defenseman with good offensive skills but some shortcomings on defense, why don't we re-sign Jackman? He's actually played pretty good for us, can move the puck pretty well, and has a good slapshot for the PP. Best of all, he'd be cheaper.

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Souray would fit the Ducks like a glove IMO. Any defiency he has would be offset by Pronger or Niedermayer. Also, he's exactly like Burke likes them, big, tough, full of leadership and willing to drop the gloves anytime his teammates get cheapshotted.

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06-16-2007, 04:35 PM
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beacuse Bryz does not score enough goals?
no im saying he needs some help becuse he is no longer as good as he was in 06

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06-16-2007, 04:52 PM
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I'd love a guy like Souray on the blueline. If O'donnell doesn't come back, we have lost a lot of toughness from the blueline the past 2 years with Vish, SOB and O'Donnell. He would fit the bill perfectly as he is one of the toughest dmen in the league. Unfortunately we don't have the cap space to sign him if we intend to sign Giggy and Selanne/replacement. He is gonna get ridiculous money this offseason.

I'd look towards Andy Sutton if we can't get O'donnell back for cheap. We have enough firepower from the backend as it is so a shutdown guy like Sutton would be awesome. Sutton is a big, mean guy who isn't afraid to "stir things up". And since the Ducks are already dirty, cheapshotting goons, he'll fit perfectly.

Pronger and Sutton on the 2nd pairing.. just think about the carnage..

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06-17-2007, 12:23 AM
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no im saying he needs some help becuse he is no longer as good as he was in 06
What are you basing this on? We didn't really see him play much this season, and the games he played were not horrible.

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Bryz is the same as he ever was. A talented goalie that hasn't demonstrated an ability to carry a starter's load yet. I wouldn't criticize his performance in '06-07. He never really got the playing time necessary to establish a rhythm. He did the job nicely against Minnesota when called upon.

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Souray is terrible defensively. And as someone already pointed out, we already have two good point shots in Beauchemin and Pronger. If the wild rumors are true and Scott Niedermayer retires, I'd rather have Timonen or Rafalski.

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06-17-2007, 02:43 AM
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If Nieds retires i'd like to see us sign two defensemen, no high end guys that'll get more than they are worth. I'd like Pressing he could play with Pronger, and then a stay at home guy so that Beauch can play more offense. I really think Niedermayer is going to retire because this is dragging out so long.

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