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06-18-2007, 05:59 PM
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What else is left to address for the Flyers?

The current lineup looks something like:

Gagne ______ Knuble
Hartnell Carter Kapanen
Sanderson Richards Upshall
Afanasenkov Umberger Ruzicka

Hatcher Timonen
Pitkanen Coburn
Gauthier Kukkonen
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Is the only thing left on tap a #1 center?

I'm an outsider here so I'm wondering if Rathje's contract figures into the cap...but my calculations put your current cap figure at

$43.39 million a year (without Rathje's contract, and including all the minor league contracts in effect)

With the cap slated to go to $49 million in the upcoming year, and about $5.5 million left to re-sign Afanasenkov, Pitkanen, as well as a #1 center, how would the Flyers fit their roster under the cap?

....If the rumours of pursuing Gomez/Briere are true you're going to have to put up $6-7 million.

How are you going to do this? Move Gauthier? Move Knuble? Move Pitkanen?....I don't think anyone wants Hatcher

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06-18-2007, 06:03 PM
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To VAN: 1st Round Pick in 07 (PHI)
To PHI: Brendan Morrison, Cory Schneider and 1st Round Pick in 07 (VAN)

Gagne - Morrison - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Kapanen
Sanderson - Richards - Upshall
Afanasenkov - Umberger - Ruzicka

Hatcher - Timonen
Pitkanen - Coburn
Gauthier - Kukkonen
Picard/Parent

Biron
Nittymaki

That's how. Morrison only costs $3.2M.

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06-18-2007, 06:19 PM
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Gautheir or Sanderson are probably on their way out. Afanasenkov isn't going to get re-signed for much, maybe $800k. Pitkanen should be ~$2mil, maybe a little more. It's getting a bit tight, but in another thread we figured it would still be possible to put up $7mil or so for Gomez/Briere and still have a bit of breathing room for injury callups.

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06-18-2007, 06:31 PM
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To VAN: 1st Round Pick in 07 (PHI)
To PHI: Brendan Morrison, Cory Schneider and 1st Round Pick in 07 (VAN)

Gagne - Morrison - Knuble
Hartnell - Carter - Kapanen
Sanderson - Richards - Upshall
Afanasenkov - Umberger - Ruzicka

Hatcher - Timonen
Pitkanen - Coburn
Gauthier - Kukkonen
Picard/Parent

Biron
Nittymaki

That's how. Morrison only costs $3.2M.
We could only pray in our wildest dreams that Vancouver takes this deal.

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06-18-2007, 07:13 PM
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The current lineup looks something like:

Gagne ______ Knuble
Hartnell Carter Kapanen
Sanderson Richards Upshall
Afanasenkov Umberger Ruzicka

Hatcher Timonen
Pitkanen Coburn
Gauthier Kukkonen
Picard/Parent

Biron
Nittymaki

Is the only thing left on tap a #1 center?

I'm an outsider here so I'm wondering if Rathje's contract figures into the cap...but my calculations put your current cap figure at

$43.39 million a year (without Rathje's contract, and including all the minor league contracts in effect)

With the cap slated to go to $49 million in the upcoming year, and about $5.5 million left to re-sign Afanasenkov, Pitkanen, as well as a #1 center, how would the Flyers fit their roster under the cap?

....If the rumours of pursuing Gomez/Briere are true you're going to have to put up $6-7 million.

How are you going to do this? Move Gauthier? Move Knuble? Move Pitkanen?....I don't think anyone wants Hatcher
Sanderson WILL be dealt, likely Gauthier as well, which free's up a few million extra.

I think this is more like what you're looking at:
Gagne-XXXXXX-Knuble
Hartnell-Carter-Upshall
Umberger-Richards-Kapanen
Eager-XXXXX-XXXXX

Timonen-Coburn
Pitkanen-Kukkonen
Hatcher-Picard/Jones/Parent

Biron
Niittymaki

The #1 center spot might be addressed via trade with the #2 pick, but otherwise it will be addressed in free agency. The 4th line will be a competition that will likely include a legit heavyweight (acquired via trade/UFA), Afanasenkov, Potulny, Downie, and possibly a UFA center (Primeau, Nichols, someone like that).

Based on my calculations that puts the Flyers at about 36.5 million, leaving 12.5 mil to sign Pitkanen (2-3), #1 center (6), Depth (1.5 for two players) and extra's (1 for two players), which would leave the Flyers about 1.5 mil below the 49 figure.

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06-18-2007, 07:20 PM
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We could only pray in our wildest dreams that Vancouver takes this deal.
Most Vancouver fans would take that deal.

They have a very low opinion of Morrison since he has been lackluster post-lockout, Cory Schneider isn't needed because the Canucks have Luongo, and our 1st is 25th overall, nearly a 2nd rounder.

and they want hometown kid Kyle Turris.

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Most Vancouver fans would take that deal.

They have a very low opinion of Morrison since he has been lackluster post-lockout, Cory Schneider isn't needed because the Canucks have Luongo, and our 1st is 25th overall, nearly a 2nd rounder.

and they want hometown kid Kyle Turris.
From a Flyers stand point I certainly would not make that deal. Morrison is certainly not a legitimate 1st line center and that's our need right now. If the #2 pick is dealt, it will be in a deal for that legit #1 center (Marleau, Richards, Jokinen, etc.)

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at this point id rather Foppa come back on a 2 year deal other than signing gomez/briere to a 7 year deal

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Maybe I'm just biased, but I thought Affy really turned it on for you guys. Dont you think that if you could resign him he would be a bit higher on your chart?

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Maybe I'm just biased, but I thought Affy really turned it on for you guys. Dont you think that if you could resign him he would be a bit higher on your chart?
No. Because we have better players and younger players who will become better players and deserve the time more than him. He was an OK fill-in on the worst team in the league. Now we're looking to make the playoffs and stay there, Gagne, Knuble, Hartnell, Upshall, Kapanen, and Eager are all locks at wing, and Umberger may end up there too. I'd rather see a young guy like Downie or Potulny being developed than Affy just taking up space.

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I don't think the Flyers will sign Briere, Drury or Gomez now that they've spent so much on Timonen and Hartnell. I think they'll target the next level the next level of playmaking centers like Forsberg and maybe Handzus and Lang. I just hope it won't be Yashin.

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I don't think the Flyers will sign Briere, Drury or Gomez now that they've spent so much on Timonen and Hartnell.
OK. Why not? They still have the money to. They clearly have every intention of getting the best possible players they can. You think they're just gonna let that extra $10 million sit there?

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What's great is that even though we might be a team that goes right up against the cap, we wont be likes the ones right now who cant make any moves because of being so close to it. Lets not forget that there are only 2 or so years left on Hatcher's and Rathje's contracts and when they are done that will clear up 7m. We wont need to spend that 7m to replace them because we have guys like Coburn, Parent, Picard coming into their own soon.

Not only that but we've got what seems like extra talent now with all the players Holmgren brought in. It couldnt come at a better time because next years draft is slated to be a very deep one. I couple trades for 2's and this team could be set for MANY years to come.

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We could only pray in our wildest dreams that Vancouver takes this deal.
As a Canucks fan.... we could only pray as well.

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OK. Why not? They still have the money to. They clearly have every intention of getting the best possible players they can. You think they're just gonna let that extra $10 million sit there?
They under $9M in cap space without Pitkanen signed. Pitkanen will probably get $3M and Briere and Gomez will most likely get more than $6M. Until they trade Sanderson/Gauthier/Umberger, I'm assuming they don't have the cap space to get it done. Nor do they want to tie themselves up on another long, big contract with Richards, Carter and Coburn all being RFAs next summer and without significant cap relief.

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Is the cap for sure at 49m? Why are some people saying 52m?

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Is the cap for sure at 49m? Why are some people saying 52m?
there's some variance... and players can apparently opt for some boost or something. theoretically, it could be as high as 52M.

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there's some variance... and players can apparently opt for some boost or something. theoretically, it could be as high as 52M.

When will we know for sure? Isn't it about that time of year that teams need to know what they're dealing with?

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They under $9M in cap space without Pitkanen signed. Pitkanen will probably get $3M and Briere and Gomez will most likely get more than $6M. Until they trade Sanderson/Gauthier/Umberger, I'm assuming they don't have the cap space to get it done. Nor do they want to tie themselves up on another long, big contract with Richards, Carter and Coburn all being RFAs next summer and without significant cap relief.
True, but then again, they can trade Sanderson and Gauthier, sign Pitkanen and a #1 Center with about $2 million left under the cap, and keep that around for when Hatcher's $3.5 million come off the books next summer and the cap goes up yet again.

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With the mass exodus of Preds to Philly, I might have to adopt the flyers.

Great move today - now go get Drury!

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isn't rathje already calculated out of the salary equasion. Gauthier for sure is gonna have to go, ah whatever. so how much do you think it will take to get Gomez in a philly uniform.

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With the mass exodus of Preds to Philly, I might have to adopt the flyers.

Great move today - now go get Drury!
On a side note you're avatar quote made me laugh.

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I would like Morrison as a cheap short term replacement, but I would not make that deal unless something else was coming back from Vancouver. We are taking a guy and salary off their books that they dont want, giving then the 2nd pick in the draft, Umberger and basically getting back a potential #1 goalie. Very few goalies are worth the #2 pick in the draft IMO. If another player was in there I might think about it.

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The current lineup looks something like:

Gagne ______ Knuble
Hartnell Carter Kapanen
Sanderson Richards Upshall
Afanasenkov Umberger Ruzicka

Hatcher Timonen
Pitkanen Coburn
Gauthier Kukkonen
Picard/Parent

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Is the only thing left on tap a #1 center?

I'm an outsider here so I'm wondering if Rathje's contract figures into the cap...but my calculations put your current cap figure at

$43.39 million a year (without Rathje's contract, and including all the minor league contracts in effect)

With the cap slated to go to $49 million in the upcoming year, and about $5.5 million left to re-sign Afanasenkov, Pitkanen, as well as a #1 center, how would the Flyers fit their roster under the cap?

....If the rumours of pursuing Gomez/Briere are true you're going to have to put up $6-7 million.

How are you going to do this? Move Gauthier? Move Knuble? Move Pitkanen?....I don't think anyone wants Hatcher
hello...did ben eager get traded?

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uh mike do wanna put morrison on the first line. yikes. better to spend the cash on scotty in a few weeks.

The Flyers will be back, very very soon

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