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06-19-2007, 05:20 PM
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what do u think about flyers defense

if pitkänen will stay and jussi timonen gets to the team then there are 4 finnish elite dmen + hatcher + some other young dmen from USA and Canada

how could u think it will be?

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06-19-2007, 05:23 PM
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what do u think about flyers defense

if pitkänen will stay and jussi timonen gets to the team then there are 4 finnish elite dmen + hatcher + some other young dmen from USA and Canada

how could u think it will be?

Jussi probably wont make the team, long shot...maybe an alternate if someone gets hurt.

The D looks like our strongest depth position right now, however a lot of young guys.

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06-19-2007, 05:26 PM
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I would say they have the best young core of defenseman in the NHL.

Pitkanen, Coburn, Parent, Lasse, Picard.

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06-19-2007, 05:27 PM
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We'll be a solid team for sure, but yeah... when did we turn into Team Finland?

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06-19-2007, 05:44 PM
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I would say they have the best young core of defenseman in the NHL.

Pitkanen, Coburn, Parent, Lasse, Picard.
Bartilus could end up being a top 6 also.

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There has got to be at least some interest in Gauthier, Sanderson, or Umberger.

Pitkanen needs to stay.

Rathje's salary should be taken off the books much like Mogilny's was. The man can't play anymore, I think w/ his condition + his age, his physical conditioning and endurance must have suffered alot... considering how SLOW he was already I think he would be about as useful as a **** flavored lollipop on this team.

If Holmgren can somehow pull off a victory in UFA and leave w/ Gomez or Briere. He will have truly worked a miracle. If he can do it, I think we will have a serious shot at the playoffs.

Good Luck Homer.

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06-19-2007, 06:03 PM
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Based on the articles I read today, I'm pretty excited about a lineup that looks like:

Pitkanen Timonen
Coburn Hatcher
Kukkonen Picard/Gauthier

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06-19-2007, 07:11 PM
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All in on the finns!

Timonen - Timonen
Pitkänen - Kukkonen
Vaananen - Coburnen

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06-19-2007, 07:15 PM
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All in on the finns!

Timonen - Timonen
Pitkänen - Kukkonen
Vaananen - Coburnen
Coburnen, lol

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We'll be a solid team for sure, but yeah... when did we turn into Team Finland?
It didn't work out with the swedes, Forsberg and Jonsson...

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06-19-2007, 07:22 PM
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All in on the finns!

Timonen - Timonen
Pitkänen - Kukkonen
Vaananen - Coburnen
Haha.

Reminds me of Rags fans that wanted to change Avery's name to Averyahan when he was playing with Shanahan and Callahan.

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06-19-2007, 07:45 PM
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Based on the articles I read today, I'm pretty excited about a lineup that looks like:

Pitkanen Timonen
Coburn Hatcher
Kukkonen Picard/Gauthier
I think Parent will make the lineup. He and Kukkonen would make for one of the best 5-6 combo's in the league.

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06-19-2007, 08:46 PM
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what do u think about flyers defense

if pitkänen will stay and jussi timonen gets to the team then there are 4 finnish elite dmen + hatcher + some other young dmen from USA and Canada

how could u think it will be?
Im sorry, but did you just call Jussi Timonen an elite d-man?

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06-19-2007, 08:51 PM
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I would say they have the best young core of defenseman in the NHL.

Pitkanen, Coburn, Parent, Lasse, Picard.
those 5 along with timonen is a lot of skill and ability but looks short on physical intimidation...i look at the difficulty buffalo had this year and wonder if at some point we will have to sacrifice some youth & skill for a bigger more physical dman (young hatcher or healthy rathje types?) to get to the next level...

coburn is big but not necessarily physical and parent looks more like a shut down dman in the mold of a larry murphy...using positioning to finish checks, speed to beat guys to the puck and playing the stick...

hopefully, pitkanen plays with edge/chippiness he had a few years ago and coburn develops a chippier side of his game...

am i overreacting????

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06-19-2007, 08:55 PM
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The main concern I'd have as a Flyer's fan is the lack of grit/shutdown ability on the defensive corps.

Timonen/Pitkanen/Kukkonen/Coburn are all primarily offensive defensemen, and not known for their shutdown capability. Hatcher used to, but now he's slow and not a solid shutdown defenseman. Parent is 3-4 years away from emerging that way.

I think it'll be hard for the Flyers to do much in the playoffs (if you make it) without the defensive capabilities displayed by Ottawa/Anaheim. Defense wins championships (not offensive defense).

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06-19-2007, 08:59 PM
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The main concern I'd have as a Flyer's fan is the lack of grit/shutdown ability on the defensive corps.

Timonen/Pitkanen/Kukkonen/Coburn are all primarily offensive defensemen, and not known for their shutdown capability. Hatcher used to, but now he's slow and not a solid shutdown defenseman. Parent is 3-4 years away from emerging that way.

I think it'll be hard for the Flyers to do much in the playoffs (if you make it) without the defensive capabilities displayed by Ottawa/Anaheim. Defense wins championships (not offensive defense).
Methinks you're not all that familiar with Kukkonen's or Coburn's abilities.

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06-19-2007, 09:01 PM
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Kukkonen is a shutdown D man....Coburn goes either way.

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06-19-2007, 09:13 PM
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The main concern I'd have as a Flyer's fan is the lack of grit/shutdown ability on the defensive corps.

Timonen/Pitkanen/Kukkonen/Coburn are all primarily offensive defensemen, and not known for their shutdown capability. Hatcher used to, but now he's slow and not a solid shutdown defenseman. Parent is 3-4 years away from emerging that way.

I think it'll be hard for the Flyers to do much in the playoffs (if you make it) without the defensive capabilities displayed by Ottawa/Anaheim. Defense wins championships (not offensive defense).
i don't think you need grit to be a shut down dman...guys like lidstrom, neidermeyer, zubov don't strike fear into players but they can shutdown top lines...i think you need some physical aspect to make players think twice about going into corners or charging the net but i don't think that is the same as being a shutdown dman...

kukkonen is definitely a shut down type dman w/ grit...watch the number shots he blocks and he may not put guys on the seat of their pants but watch the number of battles for the puck he wins...

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Kukkonen lead all rookie D-men in blocked shots last year. Timonen was second on nashville last year in blocked shots. Coburn has the ability to use his big body and at least put a shoulder into guys, if not knock them over. Picard is willing to get his nose dirty on occasion. I don't think a lack of grit is what will be the downfall of this D-corps. Like always it will come down to injuries and lack of experience for the most part.

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06-19-2007, 10:21 PM
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Methinks you're not all that familiar with Kukkonen's or Coburn's abilities.
Well you see Kukonen is rated as an Offensive Defensman in NHL 2007 so you can see where the confusion is. Then again, they have Forsberg as a sniper. . . .

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06-19-2007, 10:22 PM
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Pitkanen Timonen
Coburn Hatcher
Kukkonen Picard/Gauthier
That's a pretty solid six with lots of permutations and from what little teenie tiny bit I saw last year, I think Parent will get significant time this coming year as well.

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Methinks you're not all that familiar with Kukkonen's or Coburn's abilities.
No, he's right -- neither have distinguished themselves. One of the keys to winning those one goal games is having a solid pairing to put out there when leading by a goal with 00:41 left in regulation. FWIW, I think that pairing will be Coburn and Timonen come Spring, but it's correct to say that the Flyers don't, today, have such a pairing.

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No, he's right -- neither have distinguished themselves. One of the keys to winning those one goal games is having a solid pairing to put out there when leading by a goal with 00:41 left in regulation. FWIW, I think that pairing will be Coburn and Timonen come Spring, but it's correct to say that the Flyers don't, today, have such a pairing.
No, he's wrong. He said Kukkonen was an offensive d-man

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No, he's wrong. He said Kukkonen was an offensive d-man
True, but that wasn't his point, this was:

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The main concern I'd have as a Flyer's fan is the lack of grit/shutdown ability on the defensive corps.
I think it's a valid point.

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Im sorry, but did you just call Jussi Timonen an elite d-man?
hes not elite but he played pretty well while he was up. i remeber we were all pretty suprised that would preform so well. if he plays that much better with his bro and vice versa then i have no problem promting him. although i think that he is best serve as a tutor to pitkanen.


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The main concern I'd have as a Flyer's fan is the lack of grit/shutdown ability on the defensive corps.

Timonen/Pitkanen/Kukkonen/Coburn are all primarily offensive defensemen, and not known for their shutdown capability. Hatcher used to, but now he's slow and not a solid shutdown defenseman. Parent is 3-4 years away from emerging that way.

I think it'll be hard for the Flyers to do much in the playoffs (if you make it) without the defensive capabilities displayed by Ottawa/Anaheim. Defense wins championships (not offensive defense).
like others have said we have a lot of shut down guys timonen is great defesivly plus cobourn played well as did kukkonen in that area. add to that Parent who is said to be a pure defesive dman.

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