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06-19-2007, 10:49 PM
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Hypothetical: If signing Kariya brought back Teemu

Would that be ok by you?

here are my pros and cons
Pros

-It brings Selanne back for another year
-the transition ability of Kariya with McDonald and Selanne is interesting
-Shores up a need on LW and moves Kunitz down which in the process gives us four very good lines
-Should be a short deal for a reasonable amount of money in a free agent class that will be loaded with overpayments
-We won the cup without him my resentment towards him is much less than it use to be.

Cons
-He has not performed in the playoffs in recent years
-Will he play with enough grit to fit in and do some dirty work?
-I still have some resentment he would need to do some ass kissing
-Would probably lead to decreased production from Kunitz

The pros outweigh the cons to me only if it gets Teemu back, was just curious what you guys thought on the subject.

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06-19-2007, 11:15 PM
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If Kariya signing convinced Teemu to return, I strongly urge Burke to sign him, if it can be done at a reasonable price. I don't care, what's done is done, and, we have to think in the now. Kariya is an elite forward, and, if signed for a reasonable price, there's little downside to it. This is heightened if it convinces Selanne to come back for a season or two.

It's also Kariya's chance for forgiveness. He stabbed this organization in the back, but, if he returns and leads the charge for a second cup, all is easily forgiven.

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No, sorry. That's not a hypothetical I'd even engage, and thankfully, I think Teemu would be more of a pro than to make that a sticking point. And it's not just animosity towards Paul. He doesn't fit in on this team. Even the finesse forwards (which are really only Teemu and Mac when you get right down to it) get their noses dirty. That's not Paul's game. Never has been.

The second thing is that our top six (pending Teemu's decision) is already set. None of those guys are getting bumped to the fourth line. That isn't where Burke is going to spend money.

Re-sign Giguere. Look into bringing back or replacing O'Donnell and possibly Scotty. Save the cap room for a possible deadline deal.

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And no, Kariya is not an elite forward. Tied for 34th in points, tied for 77th in goals scored, with nothing else to the table. He's a B-grade finesse forward now. That's it.

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And no, Kariya is not an elite forward. Tied for 34th in points, tied for 77th in goals scored, with nothing else to the table. He's a B-grade finesse forward now. That's it.
Scoring leaders are slanted towards the east with a more up tempo offensive style, amongst west forwards he was 15th in points and alot of the players ahead of him are tandems(like Langkow/Huselius, Brunette/Sakic, McDonald/Selanne, Sedins) and maybe what stands out to me is about 2/3 of his points were at even strength(51 of 76) I don't think he's an elite forward but he's still a solid 1st liner/great second line scorer.

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I hate the dude, but I am going to be honest. I wouldn't mind seeing him back here, if it brings Teemu back. Otherwise I think there are many choices in the market that are better than Kariya.

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Bring Kariya back home where he belongs!

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Carlyle got Teemu to backcheck and not cherry pick so much. So if he can get Kariya to play defense and get into the trenches, do it for cheap, and if it brought Teemu back, then I might be OK with it. But since that seems pretty far-fetched, and Kariya's a rat, I'll pass.

And besides, I'm much more worried about our defensive depth. Scoring slack would be mostly taken up by our PPG line.

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He simply doesn't fit in Carlyle system, he doesn't back-check and play no defence. He's a one dimensional player who doesn't show up in the playoffs.

No thanks, we also have no money for him.

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Only if Kariya signed for the league minimum and was forced to wear a jersey with the lettering "IM A PANSY" for the season.

Then perhaps I'd consider it...

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I definitely understand the Kariya dislike here on these boards, i have a bit of that going on right now for Scott Hartnell. Just thought i would post this, take it for what its worth.

2 things

a) IMO Kariya has improved a few facets of his game that, judging by your comments (i never saw much of the ducks when Kariya played for you), he never had in Anaheim. And i was not a Kariya fan before he arrived in Nashville, but playing for the preds he was quite proficient on the forecheck which shocked me. Also he often battled along the boards in the offensive zone and he attacked the net a lot more in Nashville than what i hear he did in Anaheim (i have heard he used to skate into the zone do some useless spin move and hurl the puck across the ice). Still didn't view him as a gritty player, obviously, but he definitely brought more to our lineup than i expected, minus the last 1/4 of this season. Just thought i would give you the view from a preds fans perspective, being someone who has seen him play quite a few times the last 2 years.

b) I would find it crazy to see Kariya in Anaheim if he signed with your team for $1.2 million. That'd be pretty ironic.

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06-20-2007, 06:55 AM
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Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.

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Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.
Please stop this.
I'm gonna puke.
It's gross.


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Anaheim should sign Kariya and let Selanne go.
Kariya is just so much better player than Selanne.
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My name is Luca...I live on the second floor...I live upstairs from you...yes I think you've seen me before...

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are you under the influence of alchol?

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if we sign him ill be a little pissed off, but i will get over it in about a week considering we would have just reunited Kariya And Selanne

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Mr.kenabnrmal
are you under the influence of alchol?
that's a song from suzanne vega...but when I read your comment about Kariya being much better than Selanne, you are surely too young to know this song

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are you under the influence of alchol?
The question is, are you?

I think both of them are great players, but for the two last years I'd give an edge to Teemu...

It would be great to have them together again to end their careers in Anaheim so they can get their jerseys in the roof of Honda Center...

If they do, do you think it will be with the old Mighty Ducks jersey or with the current one? Would Kariya have the C and Selanne an A? (not on the ice I mean, but when they're jerseys been hanged up, if they will be)

Once again, it would be amazing to see them back together. Do you think Selanne would take a paycut if it would be needed to bring Paul here?

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Once again, it would be amazing to see them back together. Do you think Selanne would take a paycut if it would be needed to bring Paul here?
I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.

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I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.
That was the year before. He made $3.75 million last year, plus bonuses.

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I doubt he'd really need to, considering he made 1m last season. Question should probably be if Kariya would take a paycut to get to play with Teemu again.
Uhhuh, Selanne's cap hit was SIX (6) millions last year, how much of the bonuses he collected is unknown. Base salary was 4M or so.

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