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06-20-2007, 11:09 PM
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Markov and Timmonen are over paid, they should never be making more then Kaberle and they are substantially.
Kaberle was signed at least one season ago when the cap was lower etc..

Of course he signed for less.

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06-20-2007, 11:10 PM
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We are still having this same debate again? How long is this endless cycle of teams "overpaying" and posters here *****ing about it going to go on?

Wake up, smell the coffee, maybe these contracts AREN'T overpayment. Maybe with a rising cap and UFA defensemen being so valuable, these contracts shouldn't be compared to those signed 3, 2, hell even ONE year ago?

Welcome to the cap world, and one where the cap ceiling is rising. Player prices are going to fluctuate over periods of time. Get used to it.

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06-20-2007, 11:11 PM
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All these bad contracts started with the massive overpayment of Andrei Markov by Montreal.
Chara, Jovanovski, McCabe, Blake, Kubina and McKee. Then I can get into guys like Hatcher, Malakhov, heck even a good 'ol Patrice Brisebois set this precedent loooooooong before the Markov deal.

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06-20-2007, 11:15 PM
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He played 71 regular season games and averaged 21 mins per game. Do you give 5th defenseman that much playing time?
Yeah. In montreal.

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06-20-2007, 11:23 PM
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Markov and Timmonen are over paid, they should never be making more then Kaberle and they are substantially.
That, or that Kaberle contract is an absolute steal. I'm having a hard time coming up with players who are as good as Kaberle who make what he does. Ohlund, Salo and Phillips all have nice contracts too, but I'd take Kaberle over any of them.

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06-20-2007, 11:26 PM
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Markov and Timmonen are over paid, they should never be making more then Kaberle and they are substantially.
That's a stupid reason to call someone overpaid. Kaberle has one of the 5 best contracts on the planet, basically everyone's contract looks bad compared to his.

If you compared contracts to Kaberle's and Henrik Zetterberg's, few WOULDN'T be overpaid.

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06-20-2007, 11:48 PM
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Good luck in San Jose, Craig!

I loved him in Montreal.

But is he really a $3.5m player?
If Sutton is a 4 million dollar player, then this was a bargain for SJ.

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06-21-2007, 12:30 AM
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wow thats a lot of money.. 3.5 mill for a dman who at best is a #4 dman? normally more of a #5 dman.

Too think only 2 years ago I was thinking the canucks should trade for him to be their #6 dman..

Somehow this makes me think of the GM trying to save face for giving up so much assests at the deadline.
bad deal or not, i doubt DW is crying over trading away rag-doll gorges and a late 1st. if he were desperate to "save face," we would be having this discussion about guerin, not rivet.

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06-21-2007, 12:41 AM
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Gill signing looks better and better.

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06-21-2007, 12:56 AM
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Gill signing looks better and better.
how much is Gill getting paid?

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06-21-2007, 12:59 AM
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how much is Gill getting paid?
2.1 million per year! What a steal!

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06-21-2007, 02:26 AM
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You people are fooling yourselves if you don't believe that Rivet wouldn't have gotten four million per year on the open market. 33 going into next year, top four defenseman with experience and a good point man on the power play. He may have been #5 in Montreal but in San Jose, he was the #3 d-man who played on the top power play line. He had a more pivotal role here and played well.

The Sharks saved at least a half a million by not letting him go to the open market.

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06-21-2007, 02:28 AM
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Too much and too long for a mediocre defenseman. I don't mind Rivet but I was really hoping the Sharks would move on and go with Hannan. Chances of him resigning not as bright anymore (I don't think Hannan gets anything over $4.5).
I understand the need for a right handed shot from the point, but I would rather have hannan's defense. With players like erhoff, carle, and possibly vlasic to show some offensive flair, I wouldn't have paid this much for a guy who isn't a top pairing defenseman. Plus, 4 years is just ridiculous. He's not a spring chicken anymore, and in 4 years he'll most likely be a pylon out there.

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06-21-2007, 02:44 AM
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I understand the need for a right handed shot from the point, but I would rather have hannan's defense. With players like erhoff, carle, and possibly vlasic to show some offensive flair, I wouldn't have paid this much for a guy who isn't a top pairing defenseman. Plus, 4 years is just ridiculous. He's not a spring chicken anymore, and in 4 years he'll most likely be a pylon out there.
One problem with that is that Craig Rivet offers a bit better well-rounded leadership than Scott Hannan. Montreal is a pressure cooker and having that kind of experience and his kind of utility for four years isn't that bad for 3.5. If he gives three good years and one bad year, it's going to make the deal worth it.

I would prefer they let Hannan go as his inability to do anything with the puck costed the Sharks their season this year. Hannan's only good in his own zone and w/o the puck. If anything, we need to let our young guys know that that simply is not good enough. At least if Rivet is a pylon out there defensively, they can reel him back to 3rd pairing minutes and make him a PP specialist that at least gets his numbers. The hope is that with this deal, as time passes on that either Ehrhoff or Carle step it up as they progress and take over the bulk of the 2nd pairing minutes.

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06-21-2007, 04:41 AM
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Markov is NOT worth $5.75 million. Nowhere even near that.

Let's base things on last season...Turco, Luongo, Hossa, and St. Louis were only paid $250,000 more than that. All four guys can be considered elite, whereas Markov is far from it. Players paid $5.75 million include the likes of Sakic, and Forsberg (Who, without injuries, would've put up some huge points). Daniel Briere made $5 million, while Erik Cole, Jason Spezza and Teemu Selanne all made no more than $4 million.
All I understood from your post is that you don't know hockey.

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06-21-2007, 06:14 AM
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He may have been #5 in Montreal ...
That's a myth. This season he was getting over 21 minutes a game in Montreal and was a top 4 d-man.


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I always like Craig with Montreal, he seemed like a really great guy. So, I'm happy for him that he'll be well paid.

Overall seems like a bit of an overpayment, but not much. I was expecting him to get ~$3.0M per year, and maybe only 2 or 3 seasons. Still, Craig is a great teammate/leader, and that has a price too. All in all, great deal for the player (he seemed to really enjoy SJ) and good deal for the team.

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06-21-2007, 09:46 AM
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Since the rumors send Souray to the West Coast, it would be very funny to see the sharks sign Rivet for 4 years at 3.5M, and then Souray, for 4 years, at 6.3M a year... 10 millions for Souray and Rivet...

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Craig's a great guy in the locker room, but 3.5mil for 4yrs is patently absurd.

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06-21-2007, 12:13 PM
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rivet for 3.5!?!?!?

glad we got something for him at the deadline.

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That's a stupid reason to call someone overpaid. Kaberle has one of the 5 best contracts on the planet, basically everyone's contract looks bad compared to his.

If you compared contracts to Kaberle's and Henrik Zetterberg's, few WOULDN'T be overpaid.
Exactly.

Then you also have to factor in a rising cap (and that a rising cap means revenues are also rising, which means players should be making more money) since Kaberle inked his deal. You don't compare things to the best deals out there when the best deals aren't available to everyone. I mean, I'm sure given their druthers, SJ would take Kaberle at his contract over signing Rivet to this contract, but since when is Kaberle available? You have to choose from available options, not just what you'd want in a perfect world.

When you go to a movie do you say to yourself, that'd be overpaying since kids and senior citizens can get in cheaper? No, you say to yourself, it's worth it to me to see this movie and if that's the price then I'll pay it. Or if it's not worth it you don't pay it. SJ clearly thinks Rivet's worth it to them, and though it may turn out he isn't, until we find out, it's really not an overpayment.

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Am I the only one who finds it odd that this is not yet on any major site ala tsn.ca?

Are we sure this is legit?
There's still nothing on TSN.ca. They even have the Horton signing up.

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I briefly caught Sportscenter late last night on TSN and they mentioned Rivet was close to signing a 4 year deal, but didn't mention salary figures.

Maybe RDS jumped the gun.

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If Timonen isn't an elite defenseman then there are only 4 or 5 of them in the league. I know Norris voting doesn't mean too much, but he did finish 5th last season and he's widely considered a top 10 defenseman in this league. He'd be the #1 defenseman on at least 20 teams and is easily the best defenseman in the Atlantic division right now (Rafalski would be 2nd if he stays in NJ).
Your first sentence says it all. There ARE only 4 or 5 elite defensmen in the NHL. That is why defensemen are at a premium. Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Pronger are elite defensemen. Guys like Timonen and Rafalski are a level below that but can still command a high price because there are so few in the elite category.

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I briefly caught Sportscenter late last night on TSN and they mentioned Rivet was close to signing a 4 year deal, but didn't mention salary figures.

Maybe RDS jumped the gun.
Given the Habs are carried on RDS and Rivet was a Hab so long, it's not a shocker that somebody on RDS would get the scoop first.

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