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12-28-2003, 03:15 PM
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Kovalchuk

I pinned his WJC open-net boasting to adrenaline from winnning the Gold.

I pinned his open-net exploits earlier this year to being young and naive.

But the stick throwing is the last straw.

Would someone - anyone - give this spoiled brat what's coming to him: a closeup encounter between the ice and his face.

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12-28-2003, 03:16 PM
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Cant blame him for trying, I suppose.

I respect him a lot more than someone who would wish an injury upon him.

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12-28-2003, 03:19 PM
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Whats wrong with that? He is a competitor. I'm sure he knew that if the refs deemed he threw the stick, that it was automatically a goal. The kid just wants to win....I can't fault him for that.

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a closeup encounter between the ice and his face.
I think he did a pretty good job by himself when he couldn't catch up to Hossa earlier today...

It was a smart move actually. Hossa was going to score. If the refs (oh boy...my favorite blind zebra's) didn't call it...he would have been a saviour for a smart play.

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12-28-2003, 03:22 PM
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It reeks of cry-baybishness. If he can't win then no one can. It wouldn't have been half as bad if in the same situation he hasn't made a total ass of himself by over-celebrating before.

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Btw.

I also noticed during the pre-game warmup, Kovalchuk failed to score on a practice one-on-one. He then slammed his stick against the glass. Over a practice shot!

How big of a sore loser is this guy?

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12-28-2003, 03:38 PM
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If he can't win then no one can.
Hey at least the Kovalchuk bashers are changing their tune.

Before he was a selfish Russian puck hog who did not care about the team.

Now he wants to win too much.(which is a bad thing?)

God forbid we have people in sport who have emotions and dare to show them in public.

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12-28-2003, 03:41 PM
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If only we all saw the world in such black and white ways.

The game is is going down hill with dull, over-defensive play and over-payed primadonnas, so that means anyone with a hint of supposed "passion" and offense is to be welcomed with open arms.

I realize it's a tough time for hockey, but certainly we can retain some standards. Can't we?

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12-28-2003, 03:43 PM
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When did I say that? Please stop putting words in my mouth.

There's such a thing as a sore loser, as there is a sore winner.

Iilya seems to be both. It's hardly a matter of passion and will to win, it's the fashion in which he does it.

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Now he wants to win too much.(which is a bad thing?)

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Btw.

I also noticed during the pre-game warmup, Kovalchuk failed to score on a practice one-on-one. He then slammed his stick against the glass. Over a practice shot!

How big of a sore loser is this guy?
Several Great players are the same way. Dominik Hasek has always competed as hard in practice as in games. He's was asked about blowing up in pratice once and said he hated giving up any goal, even in practice .

Its attitudes like that, while sometimes frustrating to the average fan, that can separate great players from good ones.

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It's hardly a matter of passion and will to win, it's the fashion in which he does it.

The fact is that Ilya cannot win either way. He celebrates too much, he gets too upset when he loses. The kid wears his emotions on his sleeve.


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12-28-2003, 03:53 PM
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I pinned his WJC open-net boasting to adrenaline from winnning the Gold.

I pinned his open-net exploits earlier this year to being young and naive.

But the stick throwing is the last straw.

Would someone - anyone - give this spoiled brat what's coming to him: a closeup encounter between the ice and his face.
Tell me , honestly, you don't want Kovalchuk on your team...

(Too bad I can't see your face!)


I remember about a month ago he scored OT goal on my B's...And he was celebrating it in his usual fasion. Somehow I wasn't upset about it.

I couldn't stop smiling so beautiful that goal was and so happy Ilya looked.

And today...What did he have to loose by throwing his stick? Do you think he wanted to hurt Hossa? I don't think he had a chance.

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12-28-2003, 03:59 PM
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Ironically, the one instance that came to mind when I saw him throwing his stick, was Hasek throwing down his net to prevent a sure goal.

It came off as stubborn and arrogant just as Kovalchuk did. The difference is, as far as I know, that Hasek, in his long career, does not have the history of displaying babyish behaviour to the extent that Kovalchuk does in little under two years.

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Several Great players are the same way. Dominik Hasek has always competed as hard in practice as in games. He's was asked about blowing up in pratice once and said he hated giving up any goal, even in practice .

Its attitudes like that, while sometimes frustrating to the average fan, that can separate great players from good ones.

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Well, I wouldn't be upset if he was. He's exciting to watch and would do alot for our chances in the playoffs.

But I wouldn't be rushing to the team shop to get his name stitched on my jersey, let's put it that way.

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Tell me , honestly, you don't want Kovalchuk on your team...

(Too bad I can't see your face!)


I remember about a month ago he scored OT goal on my B's...And he was celebrating it in his usual fasion. Somehow I wasn't upset about it.

I couldn't stop smiling so beautiful that goal was and so happy Ilya looked.

And today...What did he have to loose by throwing his stick? Do you think he wanted to hurt Hossa? I don't think he had a chance.

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12-28-2003, 04:02 PM
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Throwing his stick? wha?

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12-28-2003, 04:04 PM
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Throwing his stick? wha?

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12-28-2003, 04:06 PM
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Hossa was on a break away and was going to score on an open net to seal the game, but Kovalchuk threw his stick towards the puck and batted it away.

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12-28-2003, 04:10 PM
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The difference is, as far as I know, that Hasek, in his long career, does not have the history of displaying babyish behaviour to the extent that Kovalchuk does in little under two years.
Didn't the Dominator get arrested for attacking an opponent in a beer league game in Czech?

It should also be noted that Ilya generally celebrates more when his teammates score, and that he rarely celebrates his goals now unless they are game tying or go ahead/game clinching goals.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser"-unknown

I still think it is absurd that someone is attacking Kovalchuk for preventing a goal. The fact that a thread like this even exists would confound and befuddle the Ilya bashers of yesteryear.


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Hossa was on a break away and was going to score on an open net to seal the game, but Kovalchuk threw his stick towards the puck and batted it away.
isn't that an instint goal?

then I see no need for it, cause Hossa could have fell and injured himself, I know the odds of it happening are slim but the possibility is still there.

I havn't seen the video so I won't judge but by threw was it a chucking motion or a sliding motion?

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12-28-2003, 04:13 PM
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It was a 5-2 final as well. As far as I know, it's not like Nashville had any real chance of coming back, so Kovalchuk's move only comes off moreso as bitter and stubborn than any effort to save possible points.

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Like I said, from what I know of Hasek, he doesn't have the history that Ilya does, atleast not in the short span of time. But I could be wrong. We all know how tempermental Hasek can get when it comes to players in his crease.

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12-28-2003, 04:18 PM
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It was a 5-2 final as well. As far as I know, it's not like Nashville had any real chance of coming back, so Kovalchuk's move only comes off moreso as bitter and stubborn than any effort to save possible points.

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Like I said, from what I know of Hasek, he doesn't have the history that Ilya does, atleast not in the short span of time. But I could be wrong. We all know how tempermental Hasek can get when it comes to players in his crease.
or "His" Locker Room.

personally I myself don't like being scored on in Practice but I've never had like problems over it and hit the boards, I have at times Smacked the post to get myself syched up so maybee Hasek was doing a more extreme version of it.

still if what you say is true about what happened, had I been hossa I'd have gone after him right then and there.

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It was a 5-2 final as well. As far as I know, it's not like Nashville had any real chance of coming back, so
Kovalchuk's move only comes off moreso as bitter and stubborn than any effort to save possible points.
Ottawa 19:17, Marian Hossa 15 (empty net) (unassisted)

They gave him credit for the goal. What is the big deal? They(Atlanta) sure had a much better chance at 4-2 than at 5-2.

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12-28-2003, 04:21 PM
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I wouldn't call the move overly dangerous, nor do I think it carried the intent to injure. The stick was obviously aimed at the puck (which it hit).

Had these been isolated incidents, I wouldn't have cared (just like i didn't pay much mind to the celebrating incidents), but everything piling up is certainly creating a not to pleasant picture of Ilya.

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Atlanta..sorry.

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12-28-2003, 04:30 PM
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Intent or not freak accidents happen and it became an automatic goal anyway, if anything it hampered their chances Hossa could have for all we know chocked and hit the post, shoot wide, slip and fall down, anything, throwing the stick didn't really do anything plus like I said it could have caused a freak accident, he's playing with Emotion I like that, but you gotta use the Head as well.

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