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06-23-2007, 07:45 PM
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Top 20 Kings Prospects

Post your new lists after the 07 Draft.

LeftKinger:

1. Jack Johnson - 8.5B
2. Jonathan Bernier - 8.0B
3. Thomas Hickey - 8.0B
4. Trevor Lewis - 7.5B
5. Lauri Tukonen - 7.5C
6. Oscar Moller - 7.0B
7. Brian Boyle - 7.5C
8. Jeff Zatkoff - 7.5C
9. Peter Harrold - 6.5A
10. David Meckler - 7.0C
11. Scott Parse - 7.0C
12. Marc-Andre Cliché - 6.5B
13. Matt Moulson - 6.5B
14. Ted Purcell - ???
15. Joe Ryan - 7.0C
16. Patrik Hersley - 7.0C
17. Joe Piskula - 6.5B
18. Richard Petiot - 6.5C
19. Jonathan Quick - 7.0C
20. Bud Holloway - 6.5C

HM: John Zeiler - 6.0B, Niclas Anderson - 6.5C, Brady Murray - 6.0C

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06-23-2007, 08:01 PM
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That's quite a good list.

I'm sure Dravecky should be in there somewhere.

Ersberg is 25, so he shouldn't be in the list.

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Bernier is suppose to be roughly 3-5th best goalie prospect in the world. JJ is the 2nd best d-man prospect in the world.

Don't you think you have Hickey a little bit high to say he is as good as the 33-5th best goalie prospect in the world and only 0.5 less then the 2nd best d-man prospect on earth?

Heck all of those guys are a little to high in reality.

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I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but, IMHO, Hickey gets a 7.5B. Why? In what's been called a "weak draft", it's difficult to imagine Kane/Turris/JvR a whole lot higher than "8". That said, you have to scale it down from there accordingly.

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Bernier is suppose to be roughly 3-5th best goalie prospect in the world. JJ is the 2nd best d-man prospect in the world.

Don't you think you have Hickey a little bit high to say he is as good as the 33-5th best goalie prospect in the world and only 0.5 less then the 2nd best d-man prospect on earth?

Heck all of those guys are a little to high in reality.

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I have hickey at #6

Jack Johnson
Jonathon Bernier
Lauri Tukonen
Brian Boyle
Trevor Lewis
Thomas Hickey

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I have hickey at #6

Jack Johnson
Jonathon Bernier
Lauri Tukonen
Brian Boyle
Trevor Lewis
Thomas Hickey
That's what I was thinking, but I switch it to:

JMFJ
Bernier
Boyle
Lewis
Tukonen
Hickey

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1. Jack Johnson - 8.0B
2. Jonathan Bernier - 8.0B
3. Thomas Hickey - 7.0B
4. Trevor Lewis - 6.5B
5. Lauri Tukonen - 6.0C
6. Oscar Moller - 7.0C
7. Brian Boyle - 7.5C
8. Jeff Zatkoff - 6.5C
9. Peter Harrold - 6.0B
10. David Meckler - 6.5C
11. Scott Parse - 7.0C
12. Marc-Andre Cliché - 6.0B
13. Matt Moulson - 5.5C
14. Ted Purcell - 7.5C
15. Joe Ryan - 6.0C
16. Patrik Hersley - 7.0C
17. Joe Piskula - 6.5B
18. Richard Petiot - 4.0C
19. Jonathan Quick - 5.5C
20. Bud Holloway - 4.5C

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06-23-2007, 08:47 PM
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Bernier is suppose to be roughly 3-5th best goalie prospect in the world. JJ is the 2nd best d-man prospect in the world.

Don't you think you have Hickey a little bit high to say he is as good as the 33-5th best goalie prospect in the world and only 0.5 less then the 2nd best d-man prospect on earth?

Heck all of those guys are a little to high in reality.
Those are the grades that I would give them based on HF's rating system. Bernier has #1 potential so I gave him an 8.0. That is very good for a goaltender. Carey Price is the only goalie that I would give an 8.5 to because of all the things he accomplished last season.

Hickey has top pairing potential (#2) and that is the ranking that I gave him. He probably won't be a #1 (8.5-9.0) but I don't see how you can say he is not an 8.0 unless you don't consider defensemen like Visnovsky/Timonen/Rafalski/etc. to be a top pairing players.

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Hickey has top pairing potential (#2) and that is the ranking that I gave him. He probably won't be a #1 (8.5-9.0) but I don't see how you can say he is not an 8.0 unless you don't consider defensemen like Visnovsky/Timonen/Rafalski/etc. to be a top pairing players.

When did Hickey get top pairing potential? Heck I'm not sure you should clump Lubo with Timonen and Rafalski. Lubo can play defense against a top line. The others are more puck movement guys. Screams PP QB to me. Or Joe Corvo....

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i think moller is more of a 7.5B... the kid is a safe pick, he does a little of everything, never stops working and was the leadering scorer as a rookie i believe on a not to great chilliwack team in the "W" who, mind you, had a leading scorer not over 100 pts to finish the season. Take that all and i think the kid is better then stats show thats for sure. Watch him play, you will love him instantly, i was hoping detroit could have gotten him at 27, and probably would have liked it a lot more.

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i think moller is more of a 7.5B... the kid is a safe pick, he does a little of everything, never stops working and was the leadering scorer as a rookie i believe on a not to great chilliwack team in the "W" who, mind you, had a leading scorer not over 100 pts to finish the season. Take that all and i think the kid is better then stats show thats for sure. Watch him play, you will love him instantly, i was hoping detroit could have gotten him at 27, and probably would have liked it a lot more.

He isn't a save pick. Guy is anywhere from 5'9 to 5'11 and maybe 170ish pounds. Seems to have a good deal of talent/hockey sense but no wheels.

No one that small without speed is a save pick. I like the guy I'm glad we got him. But he is still a long shot.

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He isn't a save pick. Guy is anywhere from 5'9 to 5'11 and maybe 170ish pounds. Seems to have a good deal of talent/hockey sense but no wheels.

No one that small without speed is a save pick. I like the guy I'm glad we got him. But he is still a long shot.
No wheels?
Most prospects need to improve their skating and their size. Moller is no different. His skating is not bad. He doesn't have blazing speed but he keeps his feet moving so it doesn't really affect his game. He is small but he is not afraid to go into the corners and battle. He works hard and he is not a liability in his own zone. I really like this kid and I think he will be a top 6 NHL player.

Sportsnet Feature on Oscar Moller - http://www2.sportsnet.ca/video/lates...Moller_Profile

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06-23-2007, 09:25 PM
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My Top 10

1. Jack Johnson
2. Jonathan Bernier
3. Patrick O'Sullivan
4. Thomas Hickey
5. Brian Boyle
6. Trevor Lewis
7. Oscar Moller
8. Lauri Tukonen
9. Jonathan Quick
10. Peter Harrold

Just an FYI: O'Sullivan is still a prospect by HF standards.


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He isn't a save pick. Guy is anywhere from 5'9 to 5'11 and maybe 170ish pounds. Seems to have a good deal of talent/hockey sense but no wheels.

No one that small without speed is a save pick. I like the guy I'm glad we got him. But he is still a long shot.
*cough* Cammallari *cough*

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He isn't a save pick. Guy is anywhere from 5'9 to 5'11 and maybe 170ish pounds. Seems to have a good deal of talent/hockey sense but no wheels.

No one that small without speed is a save pick. I like the guy I'm glad we got him. But he is still a long shot.

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RW Oscar Moller, 5-11 180 1-22-1989, Chilwack Bruins WHL, 68 gp – 32 g – 37 a- 69 points - +1 – 50 pim. NHL Comparable: Jonathan Cheechoo
++ Shot, grit.
+ Hands, play in traffic, attitude.
- Top gear, height.
Small but extremely stocky and balanced, Moller handles traffic areas very well. One of the best natural goal scorers in the draft as he does an excellent job of getting open near the net and his quick release produces an accurate shot and heavy shot. Arguably the best in this class at scoring in heavy traffic. Feisty player that plays with grit and passion every game and throws his weight around on the forecheck. Not a particularly fast or imposing physically player, Moller could really thrive with a big play making center. Will need upgrade his skating as he lacks a separation gear. Moller is an astute player with good hockey sense and an exemplary work ethic.
first off, he isnt small, 5'11 is small, yet hes 18, he still could grow to 6'0.. hes already 180 lbs, NHL size already. Hes one of the best goal scorers in the draft. He might not be the best skater, but scorers dont need to skate there ***** off, they jsut need to sit there, plant themselves and rip it. I dont think hes a long shot at all. He never stops working, he might not have great speed, but hes got a lot of hussle

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here, i got this cuz someone asked where i got the one..

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D Thomas Hickey, 5’11 185, 2-8-1989, Seattle WHL 68 gp – 9 g – 41 a – 50 points.
++ Mobility, hand skill, creativity
+ Vision, puck movement, physical edge
- Lacks height
Hickey is pretty close to a complete defenseman although he lacks the height standing at 5’10. His offensive upside is quite high but he also plays with a commendable edge in his own end. Hickey is a fluid skater that can reach great speeds in all directions effortlessly. He’s light on his feet, he’s agile, and his lateral mobility is superb. Hickey uses his speed to rush the puck up the ice on his own and he wins foot races to the puck because of his quick acceleration. His hands are very soft and he handles the puck like a skilled forward. Hickey has a good point shot as he releases the puck quickly and gets it through low to the net with decent velocity. His one timer is an asset. Hickey sees the ice very well and he moves the puck crisply. He’s creative on the point and can quarterback the power play and he also shows the poise to make a heads up first pass. He’s smart and competitive defensively as he’s strong on his skates and possesses good core strength to land a stiff check. He uses his mobility and defensive positioning to be a formidable defender. He’s the real deal but he just lacks the height, something that he can conquer.

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LW Dwight King, 6-4 210, 7-5-1989, Lethbridge WHL 62 gp – 12 g – 32 a – 44 points.
++ Size and Strength
+ Heavy shot, decent hands
- Play away from the puck, inconsistency, has a poor motor.
If the draft was based on a pure raw physical package, Dwight King would be in the first round. He’s huge and has a decent skill set. Dwight was amazing at the U-17 challenge and had scouts flocking to see him since, but after that break through tournament his play has been leaving many wanting more. King’s bread and butter is using his size and elite puck protection to drive hard to the net. Once he parks himself in front he isn’t going anywhere. He owns a quick and heavy shot but he needs to learn how to utilize it more. His vision is okay but he isn’t a special play maker. His skating is fairly good for a player of his size with above average first step quickness and a fluid stride although he lacks explosiveness. While King uses his size well with the puck he is completely void of doing so without it. He doesn’t finish his checks often and his puck pursuit his lacking. He floats around without the puck and must improve his defensive game
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LW Joshua Turnbull, 5-11 180, 7-12-88, Waterloo USHL 60 gp – 25 g – 29 a – 54 points.
++ Hard shot, goes to the net hard as anyone in this draft.
+ Work ethic
- Skating
Turnbull is blessed with goal scorer's instincts as he goes to the net as hard as anyone with or without the puck, he shoots at every opportunity, and his hard shot that is deadly accurate makes him a threat to score on every shot. He’s surprisingly strong, he is difficult to knock off the puck and he can also deliver a strong body check as evidence by him landing a big hit that sent the much bigger Daniel Lawson to his back. Turnbull finishes every check and skates hard into traffic. He can take a heavy hit yet stay in stride thanks to his superb balance. He's a very heady player away from the puck who is always in position, and he anticipates the play so well that it seems the puck just follows him. His puck pursuit is impressive and he's a competitive player who plays 100% every shift away from the puck and he's disruptive to the opposition's breakout as he is always takes away the proper passing lane. Joshua is gifted with soft hands that allow him to perform some tricky one on one moves. He uses head and stick fakes to deke the opposition. Hee's not an explosive skater but his acceleration and stride are where you want them to be. Turnbull is an above average playmaker even though he often elects to shoot. While is vision is just decent, he does display creativity a couple of times a game and can set up his line mates. He’s very vocal on the ice and bench with leadership qualities. "Podge" really stood out this season.

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Post your new lists after the 07 Draft.

LeftKinger:

1. Jack Johnson - 8.5B
2. Jonathan Bernier - 8.0B
3. Thomas Hickey - 8.0B
4. Trevor Lewis - 7.5B
5. Lauri Tukonen - 7.5C
6. Oscar Moller - 7.0B
7. Brian Boyle - 7.5C
8. Jeff Zatkoff - 7.5C
9. Peter Harrold - 6.5A
10. David Meckler - 7.0C
11. Scott Parse - 7.0C
12. Marc-Andre Cliché - 6.5B
13. Matt Moulson - 6.5B
14. Ted Purcell - ???
15. Joe Ryan - 7.0C
16. Patrik Hersley - 7.0C
17. Joe Piskula - 6.5B
18. Richard Petiot - 6.5C
19. Jonathan Quick - 7.0C
20. Bud Holloway - 6.5C

HM: John Zeiler - 6.0B, Niclas Anderson - 6.5C, Brady Murray - 6.0C
I agree 1 & 2. As much as I don't believe I'm saying this move Boyle to 3 (a) & Lewis to 3 (b), they're a toss up there.
5) Hickey
6) Moller
7) Cliché
8) Tukonen
9) Harrold
10) Moulson

My wild cards Murray, Fast, & Piskula

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When does the update come out so we can see who's closer ? Late July or early August ?

Kings Top 20 Prospects
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1. Jack Johnson, D - 8.5A
2. Patrick O'Sullivan, LW - 8.0B
3. Jonathan Bernier, G - 8.5B
4. Brian Boyle, D/F - 8.0B
5. Trevor Lewis, C - 7.5B
6. Joe Piskula, D -7.5B
7. Lauri Tukonen, RW - 7.5C
8. Teddy Purcell, RW - 7.5B
9. Thomas Hickey, D 7.5B
10. Jeff Zatkoff, G - 7.0B
11. Peter Harrold, D 7.0B
12. Oscar Moller, RW - 7.0C
13. Patrik Hersley, D - 7.0C
14. Richard Petiot, D - 7.0B
15. Joe Ryan, D - 7.0C
16. Scott Parse, LW - 7.0C
17. Marc-Andre Cliché, RW - 7.0B
18. Jonathan Quick, G - 7.0C
19. Johan Fransson, D - 7.0C
20. Matt Moulson, LW - 6.5C
Other Notables On the Bubble
David Meckler, C - 6.5B
Bud Holloway, C - 6.0C
T.J. Fast, D - 6.0C
Vladimir Dravecky, RW - ???
John Zeiler, C - 6.0B


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I would expect something like:

Hickey: 8.0C
Moller: 7.0B
Purcell: 7.5C
Piskula: 7.0B

All four making the list, in approximately the #4,7,10,12 spots.

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1. Jack Johnson - 8.5B
2. Jonathan Bernier - 8.0B
3. Thomas Hickey - 9.0 D they say his going to be like Neidermyer lol
4. Trevor Lewis - 7.5B
5. Brian Boyle - 8.0 C
6. Lauri Tukonen - 7.5C
7. Oscar Moller - 7.0B
8. Jeff Zatkoff - 7.5C
9. Peter Harrold - 7.5 C
10. David Meckler - 7.0C
11. Scott Parse - 7.0C
12. Marc-Andre Cliché - 6.5B
13. Matt Moulson - 6.5B
14. Ted Purcell - ???
15. Joe Ryan - 7.0C
16. Patrik Hersley - 7.0C
17. Joe Piskula - 6.5B
18. Richard Petiot - 6.5C
19. Jonathan Quick - 7.0C
20. Bud Holloway - 6.5C

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Are you guys listing based on chance to make the big club or amount of upside? What's your criteria, because frankly, guys like Cliche and Brady Murray have a better chance to make this team in the next year or two than some of the other guys you have ranked higher than them.

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Are you guys listing based on chance to make the big club or amount of upside? What's your criteria, because frankly, guys like Cliche and Brady Murray have a better chance to make this team in the next year or two than some of the other guys you have ranked higher than them.
My list is based on upside.

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I agree with those who have Cliche & Meckler in the top 10.

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