I was under the impression that "frontloaded contracts " were no longer permitted under the new CBA and that the total of any given contract would be spread out evenly amongst the toatal duration of the contract. Is that not the case?
I think the contract can be loaded any way but the cap hit is the average of the amounts per year. so if it was 7 mil 5 mil 4mil for 3 years the cap hit would be 5.33
If the numbers are true and Nylander's paid about $5.3 million, it's a little bit more heavy than I would have hoped for, but, a big but...
Had we let Nylander go, we would have been screwed. We might had been able to gnaw, claw and bite our way towards a UFA center together with 15 other clubs, where we would have probably been forced to pay near maximum for a replacement.
Is Gomez, Briere or Drury worth $7+ million? That's what they're probably going to get paid because of the interest from so many clubs.
As a wise man once said, "1 slightly overpaid Nylander in the palm is better than 5 overpaid UFA:s in the forest."
And if Nylander keeps going like this, being the second best scorer on the team and practically leading the team in the playoffs, he's worth it. Briere earned around $5 million, exactly what is the difference between Briere's and Nylander's season, despite Nylander having a better playoff run and not spearing Ovechkin in the stomach? Well yes, Briere had about 10 points more in the regular season, but I still say Nylander's been very successful here.
So maybe we bring in another top flight center, who assumes top line duties.
I said the Rangers would never win anything with Jagr as the captain, and then lo and behold they had a terrific playoff run (which fell short, not at all the fault of Jagr).
that's the thing.....paying Nylander $5.3M a year makes it tougher to get a legitimate #1 center. We still have to sign Lundqvist.
that's the thing.....paying Nylander $5.3M a year makes it tougher to get a legitimate #1 center. We still have to sign Lundqvist.
Is making it "tougher" necessarily bad? I mean, so maybe now we can't give Briere or Gomez a max deal. In my opinion, that's not a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Chimp
If the numbers are true and Nylander's paid about $5.3 million, it's a little bit more heavy than I would have hoped for, but, a big but...
Had we let Nylander go, we would have been screwed. We might had been able to gnaw, claw and bite our way towards a UFA center together with 15 other clubs, where we would have probably been forced to pay near maximum for a replacement.
Is Gomez, Briere or Drury worth $7+ million? That's what they're probably going to get paid because of the interest from so many clubs.
As a wise man once said, "1 slightly overpaid Nylander in the palm is better than 5 overpaid UFA:s in the forest."
And if Nylander keeps going like this, being the second best scorer on the team and practically leading the team in the playoffs, he's worth it. Briere earned around $5 million, exactly what is the difference between Briere's and Nylander's season, despite Nylander having a better playoff run and not spearing Ovechkin in the stomach? Well yes, Briere had about 10 points more in the regular season, but I still say Nylander's been very successful here.
Well put, Chimp. That about sums up my feelings on this deal, if the numbers reported are in fact correct (anything less and I'd be ecstatic).
He works well with Jagr and we need to keep Jagr happy and keep him going. Nylander can get the puck to Jagr anywhere on the ice and just simply works perfectly with him.
Of course his stats are a bit inflated because of Jagr, but he's still a very talented playmaker.
Problem is this, the whole league knows what their doing and it was harder for them to be successful with their predictable routine, out there on the ice.
One could speculate that it will continue to become even more difficult for them to play "their style" and score; because teams are so aware of what they do.
Maybe having Jagr's shoulder healthy this upcoming season can make a significant difference. But that's not a very promising premise to bank on.
We won't sign either Drury, Briere or Gomez. I don't either has Rangers as their first choice and I think other teams will be more able to overpay them than we will.
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Originally Posted by Jeds2StepOpus
Problem is this, the whole league knows what their doing and it was harder for them to be successful with their predictable routine, out there on the ice.
One could speculate that it will continue to become even more difficult for them to play "their style" and score; because teams are so aware of what they do.
Maybe having Jagr's shoulder healthy this upcoming season can make a significant difference. But that's not a very promising premise to bank on.
I don't know what you're talking about. Everybody knows Nylander and Jagr will cycle and give eachother the puck like hell and keeping possession in the offensive zone for 2 minutes. Yet, still, alot of teams knowing this had a hell of a problem defending against it. Both are so difficult to steal the puck from and also Straka/Hossa was very good at this. Most of the time, the only way to stop it was to mug them and I don't think it's an overstatement to say Jagr is one of the stars in the league who gets the least benefits from the refs. More of the opposite.
He works well with Jagr and we need to keep Jagr happy and keep him going. Nylander can get the puck to Jagr anywhere on the ice and just simply works perfectly with him.
Of course his stats are a bit inflated because of Jagr, but he's still a very talented playmaker.
I have to agree here. If you look at the amount of goals he's scored over his career they've been fairly consistent. He'll give you roughly 20 goals a season, it's just his assists that have gone up. His career high playing with the Blackhawks was 46. He also had a couple of mid 40 assits in the years before Rangers, and now he's averging 50 assits now with the rangers. I think to attribut most of his numbers to Jagr is a disservice to the guy.
Problem is this, the whole league knows what their doing and it was harder for them to be successful with their predictable routine, out there on the ice.
One could speculate that it will continue to become even more difficult for them to play "their style" and score; because teams are so aware of what they do.
Maybe having Jagr's shoulder healthy this upcoming season can make a significant difference. But that's not a very promising premise to bank on.
Well the top line was tremendous down the stretch, no? If other teams caught on to "their style" then wouldn't you expect the opposite effect, a total lack of production towards the end of the season?
If we can get any kind of consistent secondary scoring this year, then that would take a whole hell of a lot of pressure off of the top line, which was one of the game's more productive as it were (with Jagr nursing a gimpy shoulder).
I just don't like that Nylander is 34 and it's a 3 year deal. So at 37, he's getting a 5.3M cap hit? Do you think he's going to produce at a high level at 37?
I think the contract can be loaded any way but the cap hit is the average of the amounts per year. so if it was 7 mil 5 mil 4mil for 3 years the cap hit would be 5.33
Okay, so it looks like I worded my comment and question incorrectly. But that's the point I was making. No matter how it's frontloaded, the cap hit is still spread out evenly by average amongst the duration of the contract.
Which I guess could be good or bad depending on the Rangers given cap space for any given season.
and really, if nylander scores another 85 points this year, 5.3 is a pretty good deal
I agree. Again, I think he gets at least this much or more on the open market. Regardless of whether or not Jagr has "made" him, he still put up some good point totals last year and played 1st line minutes. It's hard to lowball someone with the excuse of "well playing with this other guy inflated your stats, otherwise you suck and we don't want to give you a lot of money." Think that's gonna make someone sign with you?
It's more than ideal, but less than what the Rangers would end up spending if he went to free agency, IMO. And less than it would cost to replace him. The other problem I see is that I think that his possible replacements would also demand longer contracts. Granted, they're younger, but I don't like the idea of 5 year, $7.5 mill contracts for guys like Gomez.
I just don't like that Nylander is 34 and it's a 3 year deal. So at 37, he's getting a 5.3M cap hit? Do you think he's going to produce at a high level at 37?
I wouldn't imagine he'll be putting up points like last season when he's 37, but if the alternative is having no Nylander for the rest of Jagr's tenure and grossly overpaying for another center, I'll take the gamble on Nyls.
Also, can we hold off on the numbers game until we have some official confirmation? For all we know, the deal could be for far less money. I understand it's fun to speculate and play hypotheticals, but let's remind ourselves that the info we have right now is damn shaky at best.
I don't know what you're talking about. Everybody knows Nylander and Jagr will cycle and give eachother the puck like hell and keeping possession in the offensive zone for 2 minutes. Yet, still, alot of teams knowing this had a hell of a problem defending against it. Both are so difficult to steal the puck from and also Straka/Hossa was very good at this. Most of the time, the only way to stop it was to mug them and I don't think it's an overstatement to say Jagr is one of the stars in the league who gets the least benefits from the refs. More of the opposite.
Well, cycling and puck possession is all fine and good. But they struggled mightly to actually put the puck in the net........a lot this past season. As well, they're cycling and possession also led to some bad goals against.
I think we have 27 million in cap space (brooks article) left before the deal. With nylanders nearly 4 million dollar raise, we have $23 million to resign Shannahan, Avery, prucha, hossa, and lundquist.
I think Lundquist and shannahan will eat up about 10 million in cap space. The other three guys 4 million combined. so that still leaves us with 9 million to play with (well technically 7 if we want cap flexibility like we had last season).
By the way, those of you who are heavy "Nylander is all a product of Jagr" guys, can you answer this question:
If previous statement is true, how come Nylander's point production increased while Jagr scored 24 goals and 27 points (total) less than last season? If Nylander's a product of Jagr, wouldn't also Nylander's production decreased if Jagr had a rough year? He's a playmaker after all.
Might there be a hidden intangible in this equation? Might it be that Nylander actually knows how to play hockey?
By the way, those of you who are heavy "Nylander is all a product of Jagr" guy, can you answer this question:
If previous statement is true, how come Nylander's point production increased while Jagr scored 24 goals and 27 points (total) less than last season? If Nylander's a product of Jagr, wouldn't also Nylander's production decreased if Jagr had a rough year?
Might there be a hidden intangible in this equation? Might it be that Nylander actually knows how to play hockey?
By the way, those of you who are heavy "Nylander is all a product of Jagr" guy, can you answer this question:
If previous statement is true, how come Nylander's point production increased while Jagr scored 24 goals and 27 points (total) less than last season? If Nylander's a product of Jagr, wouldn't also Nylander's production decreased if Jagr had a rough year? He is a playmaker after all.
Might there be a hidden intangible in this equation? Might it be that Nylander actually knows how to play hockey?
the obvious answer is shannahan....he played with Nylander last year also.
