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12-29-2003, 11:27 AM
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The best players in the world

This took a long time

OK, so me and a group of pals have sat together through the holidays and after discussions, fights, observations, talking to fans from some teams, watching games, etc, we've managed to try and compile a list of the best players in the NHL in some distinctive categories.

We're in the process of making new rosters for the Eastside Hockey Manager video game and this is our base for rating the players.

This is the list we've come up so far:

http://www.geocities.com/lezzo.geo/bestplayers.html

What do you think? I'm sure there are quite a few mistakes there... I insist on you guys being as severe as possible because we really want it to be as accurate as possible. The numbers next to the players refer to how we've rated them in that particular category out of 100.

Thanks for any help!

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12-29-2003, 11:31 AM
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A few observations:

-Most of the offensive lists are pretty good.

-Gaborik is absurdly low on the skaters list.

-Most of the "pressure performers" list looks like it was done using a random number generator.

-The defensive players list is pretty poor. Jovanovski ahead of Lidstrom?

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12-29-2003, 11:34 AM
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I'm really sorry because I'm sure you put a lot of hard work into that, but there's really not much positive I can say about those lists.

The only thing that I really have to say is that it is now official that Pavel Datsyuk is by far the most overrated player in the game today.

 
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12-29-2003, 11:36 AM
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Sorry, but Alex Mogilny is much better and more dangerous shooter than Afanasenkov or Delmore.

He doesn't make the best shooters list? Ridiculous. He has an incredible shot.

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12-29-2003, 11:38 AM
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Naslund is so grossly underrated...

a 91 on the offensive players listing?!?!?! He has been the best offensive player in the NHL the past 3 seasons!!

Then to list his shot at a 94 is a miscarriage of justice. Only Sakic could be argued to be better.

Then you have a player in PAvel Bure who will never play in the NHL again rated higher than many many players... two words for you

Absolutely putrid!!

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12-29-2003, 11:39 AM
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Adam Oates it rated way too high in the playmaking department.

Best shooter...Ferance..Fata...Delmore...Smyth..Nolan.. Valeri Bure..... No ZIGGY PALFFY?

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12-29-2003, 11:41 AM
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You are also missing Mattias Ohlund from your Defensive players list. He is as good a Defensive D man there is in the game.

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12-29-2003, 11:44 AM
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as much as i hate him for not shooting, alexei zhamnov is without a doubt an elite playmaker. certainly better than many on that list

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12-29-2003, 11:58 AM
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I wonder if many are reading his lists wrong? I know I did at first. Kind of a screwy way to list things, but if you look at *right* it makes more sense, although a few placements are still off.

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12-29-2003, 12:02 PM
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there's really not much positive I can say about those lists.
It doesn't matter, that's exactly why I posted it in the first place! I know there are a lot of gross mistakes so if you feel something is wrong don't be afraid to be harsh about it!

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I'd be interested to know how the pressure performers rating was generated.

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Why is Chris Therian so freakin' good?

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12-29-2003, 12:10 PM
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I'd be interested to know how the pressure performers rating was generated.
It's really about experience, consistency, hard work, not giving up when the team is losing, being as good in one shift as in the next, etc...

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David Legwand is not one of the best skaters? c'mon!

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12-29-2003, 12:18 PM
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It's really about experience, consistency, hard work, not giving up when the team is losing, being as good in one shift as in the next, etc...
Just for a couple of examples, Joe Sakic and Niklas Lidstrom should be way up on that list, by that criteria.

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12-29-2003, 12:19 PM
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i stopped when i noticed bure was ahead of mogilny in stickhandling

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i stopped when i noticed bure was ahead of mogilny in stickhandling
Is there any numerical data behind any of this, or is it an opinion poll? Seems like you're only drawing from certain groups and your data's a little less than representative.

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Is there any numerical data behind any of this, or is it an opinion poll? Seems like you're only drawing from certain groups and your data's a little less than representative.
It's purely opinion. Like I said, this is what we're doing as rosters for a video game, where players are rated with numbers like that...

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It's purely opinion. Like I said, this is what we're doing as rosters for a video game, where players are rated with numbers like that...

Ference, Smyth etc better shooters then Ziggy Palffy??????

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You are also missing Mattias Ohlund from your Defensive players list. He is as good a Defensive D man there is in the game.

not better then pronger stevens foote im sure there are a few others in there

oh and don sweeney is a top pressure performer???

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12-30-2003, 12:23 AM
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Pavel Datsyuk is not a better shooter than Brett Hull, who IMO deserves a ranking in the 90's.

Also, I think a few goalies should have made their way into the pressure performers category. Based on criteria you mentioned I think someone like Martin Brodeur should be near top of the list.

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12-30-2003, 12:35 AM
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You should seriously cut down on the amount of 99/100 level players. Take the playmaker list for example:

100 Mario Lemieux
100 Peter Forsberg
100 Jaromir Jagr
99 Adam Oates
99 Viktor Kozlov
99 Ron Francis
99 Zigmund Palffy
99 Alex Tanguay
99 Ilya Kovalchuk
98 Pavel Datsyuk
97 Joe Sakic
97 Sergei Gonchar
97 Steve Yzerman
96 Pierre-Marc Bouchard
95 Joe Thornton
94 Andrew Cassels
94 Robert Lang
94 Saku Koivu
94 Mike Ribeiro
94 Marc Savard
92 Jason Allison
92 David Legwand
92 Al MacInnis
91 Daniel Alfredsson
91 Shawn McEachern
91 Chris Pronger
90 Paul Kariya
90 Markus Naslund

3 * 100
6 * 99
1 * 98
3 * 97
1 * 96
1 * 95
5 * 94
3 * 92
3 * 91
2 * 90

I think it should be more like:

1 * 100
1 * 99
1 * 98
2 * 97
3 * 96 etc.

And btw, what does stickhandling mean in general? Because if it has anything to do with puck control I simply can't understand how this isn't even the first list I've seen that has Teemu Selšnne ahead of Saku Koivu. Having watched them play as linemates for team Finland for years, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Koivu's hands are a LOT softer than Selšnne's.

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12-30-2003, 01:03 AM
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On an EHM note, the demo for the next version (Eastside Hockey Manager: Franchise Edition) will be out soon. It's being devoloped by SI Games (creators of the Championship Manager soccer sim) and is being run on the CM3 engine.

Oh, and for your rosters, Pavel Datsyuk is grossly overrated.

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12-30-2003, 04:57 AM
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87 Scott Niedermayer for skating????? I would have to say that is cray.....

Especially when you have 91 Brian Rafalski and 91 Jeff Friesen........Niedermayer is by far the best skater in New Jersey. Not really even close.

Niedermayer is without a question in the top 10 of all skaters in the NHL.....

You have Bure as a 90 yet Niedermayer beat him for the Fastest skater at an All-Star game a few years back...........

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If you have one guy to try and take the puck from one end of the ice to the other ie (best stickhandler) I would have to go with Alex Kovalev...When he is on , he can be one the of the best players in the NHL....

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