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06-29-2007, 01:10 AM
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would you bring in ryan smyth if you cant find a 2nd center?

hypothetically, lets say we retain nylander and cant find a 2nd center.

would you sign Ryan Smyth to be a left wing on the second line, and deploy a setup like this:


Hossa Nylander Jagr

Smyth Straka Shanahan

Avery Cullen Callahan

Prucha Betts Orr



i actually think this may be a better option than overpaying for gomez or drury.

honestly, smyth is a guy id rather overpay for than either of those 2. this is a guy who does it all and actually would earn his 6 mil in my eyes.

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Two top targets at foward for me are Drury and Smyth

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Two top targets at foward for me are Drury and Smyth
the point though is that if you have to overpay someone, isnt smyth the kinda guy you overpay?

imho, none of the other guys are worth overpaying, but Smyth...for his entire scope of things he brings to the table to go with his perennial 32 goals, 35 assists is well worth overpayment, especially when you look at where he gets his goals.

the epitome of garbage goals. this guy is adam graves imho.

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the point though is that if you have to overpay someone, isnt smyth the kinda guy you overpay?

imho, none of the other guys are worth overpaying, but Smyth...for his entire scope of things he brings to the table to go with his perennial 32 goals, 35 assists is well worth overpayment, especially when you look at where he gets his goals.

the epitome of garbage goals. this guy is adam graves imho.
I would love that because Graves was my favorite player.

But anyhow, I love Drury and Smyth's Character, they bring a lot to the table at both ends of the ice, and they are great leaders.

Those are the only two guys I would want to overpay for. But if we got Jovo then you can kiss that goodbye.

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06-29-2007, 02:39 AM
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I would love that because Graves was my favorite player.

But anyhow, I love Drury and Smyth's Character, they bring a lot to the table at both ends of the ice, and they are great leaders.

Those are the only two guys I would want to overpay for. But if we got Jovo then you can kiss that goodbye.
if we get Jovo you can kiss Sather goodbye.

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no wayyy.

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na, Smyth thinks he is worth way more than he is, and he is worth quite a bit. Wouldn't want to get into a bidding war for him.

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I owuld bring him in. He's the kind of player you want the younger guys playing with.

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Theres a lot of upside to Ryan at the right price. Plus

It sure would be the ultimate burn on the Islanders

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Would love to get Smyth to the Rangers. 4 years $5.5 but it wouldn't be enough and I don't think they could justify more than that

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Would love to have Smyth...

but at what price? And would there still be a lack of a second line center? Could Cullen be elevated into that role with a guy like Smyth? I dunno...

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but at what price? And would there still be a lack of a second line center? Could Cullen be elevated into that role with a guy like Smyth? I dunno...

Cullen is not a 2nd line center, no matter who he is playing with, trying to fit squares into round holes just wont work.

The option would be of course to move Starka to the 2nd line, which is something that on the other hand could work.

But what would Smyth cost? I wont give him more than 5 million a year and Im sure it will take more than that.

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it's all about cost and who fits where. Cullen did score over 50 points two seasons ago (25 goals), and that's good enough for me for the second line. If Smyth can add 25-30 goals, and if Shanny's signed and can do the same, you just would have created a decent second line that can score and room for a guy like Dubi to slide in at some point. It's not ideal, but it's about cost and making sense.

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it's all about cost and who fits where. Cullen did score over 50 points two seasons ago (25 goals), and that's good enough for me for the second line. If Smyth can add 25-30 goals, and if Shanny's signed and can do the same, you just would have created a decent second line that can score and room for a guy like Dubi to slide in at some point. It's not ideal, but it's about cost and making sense.
He did do that, but dont you think it was an abberation and not a rule?

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Two top targets at foward for me are Drury and Smyth
Smyth played for Sather, I wont be shocked if we sign Smyth and Shanny.

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If you can't find a 2nd line center, keep looking. I hate Straka at center and I just can't justify bringing another winger aboard unless players that are penciled in today are not with the team in 2 months.

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I'd rather not, This Free agent pool IMHO seems so lack luster & over rated this year.

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Not for 6 per year.

He's a winger that plays a rough style while not having the ideal body to do that. I'm not sure that he's going to be a healthy player going forward and will probably break down at some point in the near future thus leaving us with an annual 6 million dollar medical bill.

Nice player, but not a need and to risky in terms of overall health.

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it's all about cost and who fits where. Cullen did score over 50 points two seasons ago (25 goals), and that's good enough for me for the second line. If Smyth can add 25-30 goals, and if Shanny's signed and can do the same, you just would have created a decent second line that can score and room for a guy like Dubi to slide in at some point. It's not ideal, but it's about cost and making sense.
Cullen wasn't playing 2nd line minutes when he scored his 25 goals. He was the Hurricanes 3rd line center that played the point on the PP. He's not a 2nd line center and I think that last year proved that.

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I understand reservations about Cullen..

and I raised the same issues on day 1, but in this cap era, you have to be creative and you're not always going to be able to have Gomez centering Jagr and Straka and Drury centering Shanny and Avery. Sometimes you're going to have that guy playing the second line (like a Cullen), with guys like Smyth and Shanny with Dubinsky on a third line.

Sound like mumble jumble? To break it down, it comes down to getting the best guys that fit best on your team at the right price. If a second line centerman is out of the Rangers' price range (and honestly, Drury as a second line centerman getting paid $6MM+ in a salary cap era? Can that even be done? Does that make sense long-term?), then the Rangers may need to seek other solutions.

And by the way, I totally agree that Cullen isn't a second line centerman. But if he centered Smyth and Shanahan, does that float his boat higher and can that work into the Rangers' fray while remaining cap flexible and filling other holes while still looking long term? Did Shanny show us that he can score without a playmaker, and has Smyth shown he can work hard for his goals and doesn't need pretty setups? I think you need to be creative in this era, and I don't think you will always be afforded the ability to play your 12 forward in the perfect role in which they're suited.

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I dont think Smyth is worth the money.

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If all else fails i would actually entertain that.
Smyth would make this team better. He goes to the net.
But too high of a price, unless the first few contracts for the big FA's were lower than expected.

If the Rangers were to get Souray and Smyth - that would easily be the best PP in the NHL.

Jagr
Smyth
Shanahan
Souray
Straka

You could call the power play:

The SS Jagr

second unit would be dangerous

Nylander
Prucha
Avery/Cullen
Roszival
Mara

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According to Darren Dreger on Leafs Lunch,the Islanders have an offer on the table of 5 years/$32.5 million which is an average of $6.5 million for Ryan Smyth

From Scotty Morrison of HNIC,Drury will get $6.5 million also

Drury turned down $6 million per from Buffalo

Both Dreger and Morrison are guests on Leafs Lunch

LA and Philly be very aggressive on Sunday

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Theres a lot of upside to Ryan at the right price. Plus

It sure would be the ultimate burn on the Islanders
only reason i would do it

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