The thing we need to remember through all of this is that these signings address what most of us have been worrying about for awhile now, and that is the post-Jagr lineup. A steep price was paid, but this team is now primed to make a real run at the Cup, AND remain competitive after Jagr retires.
I would much rather plug in kids (Korpikoski, Bourrett, Dawes, Cherry) on the wings of Gomez and Drury than have them sinking or swimming all alone in the big league.
I am also going to have to assume that the Rangers brass has a long-term plan as well and they don't see this deals putting them in cap hell as alot of us think they might have. Even if the cap doesn't go up much in the future, this team stands to be fairly good even if we just plug in kids on the wings.
NYR core for the next 5 years:
Looks pretty good, no? And notice how Jagr's name isn't on the list...
I'm not a fan of the amount of years we gave these guys.
The amount per year would be irrelevant if we could be done with them three years from now. 5-7 years is a LONG time.
I still like these signings for improving a MAJOR weakness.
I don't agree with Gomez being a Holik. Gomez is a PURE offensive player. We asked Holik to be a top center when even he said he wasn't. Holik was more of a defensive shut down specialist that was abrasive.
Just think about when, Jagr, Straka, Shanny, etc are retired or not with with team in a few years. The Rangers will have mostly, young, cost controlled players, and these will the only people with really high salaries. I like these moves
I think both of these moves are wait and see moves that depend on a number of factors to be deemed successful.
For starters, Gomez has to be the player he was in 05-06 and not the player he was last year. If he's closer to his former self than you're looking at a guy who could be posting 25-30 goals and 80-95 points for the rest of his contract.
To me Gomez, though not without risk, is a guy I'm willing to roll the dice on because of his age and skill set. If you're going to sign a guy for seven years then a 27-year-old center is the guy you do it on. To me it's Gomez, not Drury who should step in with Jagr. For all the talk about Nylander, he didn't come with nearly the numbers or youth when we got him. Gomez is a playmaker first and shooter second, if he clicks with Jagr it's a slam dunk.
Drury to me is now the ideal second line center. He too comes with a cost but in today's NHL I think he could be a guy who is still an effective player in his mid-30's. The key for him is his intelligence, assuming the body holds up I don't think he's a huge risk for 5-years.
Obviously these are big contracts and things need to go right to make it work, but I'm pretty okay with the moves to be honest with you. There are certainly risks, but the fact of the matter is that teams aren't letting their cornerstone players walk away that often and so unless you were certain you were landing Eric Staal at some point, you've got to build a core. To me if you have Gomez, Drury, Lundqvist, Staal and others you're in good shape.
As for Dubinsky, I think it simply comes down to the Rangers not wanting to get burned twice. Last year they had a big gapping hole on their roster after Immonen didn't make the team. I just don't think they were going to take that chance twice. Now Dubinsky can still make this team if he beats out Matt Cullen but I think the odds are likely Dubinsky is going to need a little more time.
Cullen to me is a guy who now could ideally slide into a role that is better suited to him as a third line center/swingman. If Dubinsky makes the team he could be trade bait.
I think these signings preclude a trade of some kind this offseason. But today I am cautiously optimistic.
from watching him his whole career, here is my view on this signing.... gomez is perhaps the best center in the league at gaining the zone. everything beyond that he falls off... his shot is average his passing is up there and defensively he is good.. i can see him doing good in the rangers system, but 7+ mil is too much. i said if we (devils) can get him for under 6, great, 6 or over let him go whereever he wants.
Am I the only one feeling a little wary about these signings?
I feel like I just took a time machine back to 2001 when the Rangers threw money at everyone. Gomez, making more than Joe Thornton? Hmm...I know Joe T. took a hometown discount but c'mon. I feel like we've just become Tampa, 14+ tied up in 2 players. What's our cap status? Will we be able to ink Henrik to the $ he rightly deserves? And signing Gomez for 7 and Drury for 5? Where does that leave Anisimov, Dubinski, etc.? Stuck in Hartford for years, and who knows what that does for their development.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to add these guys to the roster, they're certainly both good hockey players. And I'm happy with Sather for having the cahunas to step up and get his guys. If the Rangers win the Cup in the next few years I'll be happy and ready to eat a big ol' plate of crow, but until then... well let's just say I'm feeling a little uneasy.
yeah, i feel the same way.. i'm just not going to say much till next season.. but i am excited..
I've thought about this for a while now and I'm glad to say I'm still happy with the fact that we acquired these two. EVERYONE got overpaid this offseason, you weren't getting anyone if you didn't overpay. With Nylander gone we practically had no choice.
That said, I love Drury to death and have always been a fan of his. Him centering Shanny will be a pleasure to watch this upcoming season. As for Gomez, I think he has MASSIVE potential with this club. He has tons of speeds and has great hands from what I've seen. He was always a major threat when we played the Devils. The only two things I'm concerned about is whether he can get something really going with Jagr. I never really imagined the two playing together as I think they are two completely different players and personalities. But maybe Gomez always secretly wanted to play with Jagr, and just never admitted it? As stupid as that may sound, you never know. I just hope it will work out
Anyway, the downside is quite obvious here, but I think this team is headed in the right direction.
Obviously Gomez was not signed to score goals, rather set them up, but one stat stood out for me....he put up a career high with 248 shots this past season, yet only scored 13 goals...that's a 5.2 shooting %.
In contrast he had 33 goals on 244 shots the year before for a 13.5 shooting %.
Maybe Jagr can teach him to aim for the corners and stop shooting pucks right at the goalie?
If we signed Gomez and Drury...I might relent a little...lol..
This team is clearly going for it...No prospect is safe but if it leads to a cup i'll live with it...
Gomez and Drury...` WOW!!!
I don't see it that way. I've used the met comparison alot tonight because I think it's apt. 3 years ago the mets where a team with some nice young talent (Wright and Reyes where just breaking in) but not enough to compete immdietly. Minaya made a big stash and brought in Pedro and Beltran, andf this really jump started the whole operation. 3 years later the mets have a young Core (Wright, Reyes, Beltran) and strong veteran leadership (Delgado, Lo Duca, Pedro, El Duque) and some nice young talent in the system that has yet to really arive (Gomez, Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber, Martinez.)
It's a mix of young and old, and the future is pretty bright.
I think this could be a simmiliar moment in the near history of the ranger organization. I don't think the brass have any intention of moving a Staal, or a Cherry, or a Dubinsky. It's possible that, as time goes on, some of the younger players will be moved, there isn't room for everyone, but I don't think it will be any of the major talents in the organization.