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07-04-2007, 01:53 PM
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They lost their best defenseman
He wasn't their best defenseman. Colorado will be glad to have Scott Hannan when he can't move the puck out of the zone with a tape-to-tape pass to a forward or when he tries to clear the puck, he gives it right to the opposition.

He's great at playing defense but once he has the puck, he turns into one of the worst players I've ever seen. To respond to who was better...Craig Rivet was better but Marc-Eduoard Vlasic was their best defenseman, period.

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07-04-2007, 02:09 PM
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Rivet is a huge upgrade on Hannen for what the Sharks need. Plus their offence will be stellar. The Sharks should take the Pacific as I expect the Ducks to slide a bit from their cup run hangover.

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07-04-2007, 02:45 PM
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He wasn't their best defenseman. Colorado will be glad to have Scott Hannan when he can't move the puck out of the zone with a tape-to-tape pass to a forward or when he tries to clear the puck, he gives it right to the opposition.

He's great at playing defense but once he has the puck, he turns into one of the worst players I've ever seen. To respond to who was better...Craig Rivet was better but Marc-Eduoard Vlasic was their best defenseman, period.
ok well Hannan was still a pretty decent defenseman

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07-04-2007, 02:48 PM
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It amazes me how people forget that the Ducks would have easily finished #1 in the conference had all those injuries not gone down last year. You know what's funny........................their tougher than last year. Im looking for complete domination once again this year. With 4 solid d-man, 4 or 5 guys who can produce points, a resurgance by Bert, an all-star goalie, and the best defensive line in the league, will see if anyone can stop the Anaheim Ducks.

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07-04-2007, 03:22 PM
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ok well Hannan was still a pretty decent defenseman
Decent, yes. But he was one of the big reasons why we lost in the semis and it was his shortcomings that were holding the Sharks back.

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It amazes me how people forget that the Ducks would have easily finished #1 in the conference had all those injuries not gone down last year. You know what's funny........................their tougher than last year. Im looking for complete domination once again this year. With 4 solid d-man, 4 or 5 guys who can produce points, a resurgance by Bert, an all-star goalie, and the best defensive line in the league, will see if anyone can stop the Anaheim Ducks.
Toughness is fine but you can't replace the All-Everything Scott Niedermayer. Mathieu Schneider is a good signing but is still a big step down. If Selanne goes, there goes your big scorer and that's going to hurt their offense as Bertuzzi doesn't offer much of anything anymore.

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07-04-2007, 03:25 PM
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1) yes, Dallas hasn't scored that many goals last season (2.65 per game, #21 in the league) but a)Modano missed 23 games, b) Morrow missed 42 games, c) Lindros missed 33 games and was a n offensvie non-factor in most games he played, d) guys like Eriksson & Lundqvist should be bit better next season
That's true. It's just a knee jerk prediction after the last few days. They could finish anywhere from 6th to 10th and it wouldn't surprise me. Hopefully the injury bug doesn't hit again, which I think it will. That's why I think they'll finish 10th.
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07-04-2007, 03:31 PM
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I know none of you here think the Oilers will finish better than 12th, 13th or 14th, but I think you may be surprised this year. I think we'll end up around 9th or 10th.

Then the year after that.... expect no easy wins.

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07-04-2007, 03:37 PM
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1.Anaheim
2.Detroit
3.San Jose
4.Vancouver
5.Minnesota
6.Colorado
7.Calgary
8.Dallas
9.Chicago
10.Nashville
11.Los Angeles
12.St Louis
13.Columbus
14.Phoenix
15.Edmonton

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07-04-2007, 04:22 PM
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Decent, yes. But he was one of the big reasons why we lost in the semis and it was his shortcomings that were holding the Sharks back.



Toughness is fine but you can't replace the All-Everything Scott Niedermayer. Mathieu Schneider is a good signing but is still a big step down. If Selanne goes, there goes your big scorer and that's going to hurt their offense as Bertuzzi doesn't offer much of anything anymore.
It won't hurt that much. Penner will put up 30 + goals....Getzlaf will put up 30 + goals...Perry will put up 25 + goals...Bert will put up 25 + goals...

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07-04-2007, 05:00 PM
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I completely forgot about the Ducks losing Selanne. If that happens, scratch them off first in the West. You don't lose your top two players and finish first in the conference. They're still very much a top team, but I would pick the Sharks for the Division title.

Hannan is a good player, but he is not the type of player that is going to completely change the outlook of a team. The Sharks will do just as well as they did last year, maybe better, without him.

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07-04-2007, 05:23 PM
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The ducks scored 258 goals, Selanne had a hand in 94 of those goals or 36%, and he personally scored 19% of thier goals. That will be hard to replace.

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07-04-2007, 05:37 PM
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The ducks scored 258 goals, Selanne had a hand in 94 of those goals or 36%, and he personally scored 19% of thier goals. That will be hard to replace.
But at the same time these young kids will step up and make up for that. Expect more production from Getz, Penner, Perry, and Kunitz. I also expect Bert to have at the least 25 goals and 60 points.

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07-04-2007, 05:58 PM
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For all of you saying "the central division got much better, the bj's havent".. what are you smoking? The central division hasn't even beefed up at all really. Kariya and Lang switched teams, oh my god the division is SO much better! Watch out West! I mean, the Rafalski signing was a good one. Perrault was good. But it's nothing to be scared of, really. The Bonk and de Vries signings were nothing, because Nashville has lost too much. Bonk and de Vries didn't make up 1/3 of what they lost.

The Blue Jackets are better than Chicago, we have been for the past two years. The Blues for some reason won almost all games at Nationwide, but we won almost all the games in St. Louis. Nashville swept us big time, 8-0. Wings, blah blah blah.

I can see the Blue Jackets clinching spots 6-8, anywhere in there. But only the BJ fans know what were capable of.

So, FLAME ME!

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07-04-2007, 06:00 PM
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I don't see the playoff picture in the West changing too much from last year, aside from Colorado taking Nashville's place. This isn't like the East, where four teams were 6 or fewer points out of the playoffs. In the West, the second closest team to making the playoffs was 15 points out of the playoffs, and the third closest team was 23 points out of the playoffs.

1. Detroit
2. Anaheim
3. Colorado
4. San Jose
5. Minnesota
6. Vancouver
7. Dallas
8. Calgary
9. St. Louis
10. Nashville
11. Los Angeles
12. Chicago
13. Columbus
14. Edmonton
15. Phoenix

Swap Anaheim and San Jose if Niedermayer retires.

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07-04-2007, 06:24 PM
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1. San Jose
2. Detroit
3. Calgary
4. Anaheim
5. Vancouver
6. St.Louis
7. Colorado
8. Chicago

9. Dallas
10. Minnesota
11. Nashville
12. LA (could be higher with a solid goalie)
13. Phoenix
14. Edmonton
15. Columbus

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07-04-2007, 06:31 PM
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  • Vancouver - They were over achievers last year and wont' be so lucky in a tough division.
This is surprising since I think most Canucks fans would say that the team underachieved the entire year except for January and February, and that our second line and our captain underachieved the entire season.

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07-04-2007, 06:38 PM
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1. San Jose
2. Detroit
3. Calgary
4. Anaheim
5. Vancouver
6. St.Louis
7. Colorado
8. Chicago

9. Dallas
10. Minnesota
11. Nashville
12. LA (could be higher with a solid goalie)
13. Phoenix
14. Edmonton
15. Columbus
That's more generous to us than any of the other posters!

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07-04-2007, 06:56 PM
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I will take a shot at this too.

Detroit, Easy division wins will propel them to a president's trophy
San Jose, Thornton, Marleau, and a revamped blueline, will be enough.
Colorado, Suspect goaltending, but Theodore will wake up, young guns will get better
Anaheim, Team is too good to slip further than this.
Nashville, yes gutted team, but still enough easy wins in division to take 5th spot
Dallas, Turco will dominate this year.
Calgary, Tough division, so not a lot of points, but good for second in NW.
Minnesota, Lemaire is the evil genius.
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Vancouver, Luongo will keep the canucks going, but weak forwards and pitiful offense
L.A., Amazing team, but Crawford's Clootywooty love will be their demise.
Chicago, Savard will have the hawks in the playoffs until Jan, until injuries take toll.
St. Louis, Revamped team and Murray could propel them upwards.
Edmonton, Rebuilding team, but solid backup with Garon, could push them higher.
Columbus, Nash will be enough to beat out the tanking Coyotes
Phoenix, Going for Tavares.
Vancouver's group of weak forwards and pitiful offense gave Anaheim more of a series than Minnesota or even Ottawa did.

Obviously anything can happen (injuries) but given Vancouver's defense, and most of all Luongo.. there just isn't any way they are missing the playoffs.

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07-04-2007, 07:08 PM
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I'll be pretty surprised if the Sharks win the Pacific. That's not to say that the Ducks will win it, just that the Sharks won't.

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07-04-2007, 08:26 PM
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Ducks at #1 Kings at #8

u kno wat that means.....!!!!

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1. Detroit
2. Anaheim
3. Colorado
4. Vancouver
5. San Jose
6. Calgary
7. Minnesota
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1.) Detroit
2.) San Jose
3.) Vancouver
4.) Anaheim
5.) St Louis
6.) Colorado
7.) LA
8.) Minnesota
9.) Calgary
10.) Dallas
11.) Chicago
12.) Edmonton
13.) Nahville
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This is surprising since I think most Canucks fans would say that the team underachieved the entire year except for January and February, and that our second line and our captain underachieved the entire season.
Every fan say that about their own team.

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1. Detroit-not getting any younger but they play in the freaking Central division
2. San Jose-won't make it far in the playoffs
3. Vancouver-close race w/ Calgary/Colorado for division crown
4. Anaheim-makes it to the finals again if 1 of Niedermayer/Selanne come back
5. Calgary-?
6. Colorado-finish once again w/ the most goals in W.C., but defense isn't entirely there this season again to make a playoff run
7. Dallas-another 1st round exit?
8. St. Louis/Minnesota-separated by 1 point at the end of the year, I give the nod to St. Louis due to significant improvement and easier division
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Sure, some teams I didn't mention improved, but they still don't compare to the top 8 in the conference. Some of these teams also did nothing to help their already slim chances.
Sorry, but "Detroit not getting any younger?" You're right. All they did was replace 38 year old Schneider with 33 year old Rafalski, drop Calder and Bertuzzi (trade deadline pickups) and replace 37 year old Robert Lang with a 23 year old rookie.

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