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07-03-2007, 03:52 PM
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Carter, Richards and them...

how are we going to sign these guys next year? we are so close to the cap as is. who else has a contract up next year? I'm kind of worried that these recent big deals may hurt us next year.

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I know smith is done next years and hatcher is done the year after i think. Also i think we will unload more contarcts and save the space. Also the cap may go up next year. We need to wait and see how these players perform and if they are worth the money. I am sure we can find ways to resign them if we need to

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gauither and umberger are up after this year as well. There will be plenty of money opening up to sign them.

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Well looking at this board's cap hit thread, Stevenson and Baumgartner don't need to be paid for again, so that's $1 mill free. Just the pro's alone, our cap will be $42.5 million starting next off season, assuming no trades. Guessing the cap goes up, let's say $3 million, we should have enough to sign them.

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well as stated above we lost hathcer smith and gauthier so thats 7.5 mil.

key RFAs
Carter
Richards
umberger
Picard
Ruzicka
Coburn

their cap hits together are about 5 million give or take. so we have about 12.5 mil to sign 6 guys.

Carter should get 2.5-3.5 mil
richards should get about 2-3 mil
umberger- about 2 mil (i think hell be dealt)
picard about 1.5 mil
ruzicka- 1 mil
coburn 2 mil

thats about 13 mil if they arent dealt so we should be ok

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well as stated above we lost hathcer smith and gauthier so thats 7.5 mil.

key RFAs
Carter
Richards
umberger
Picard
Ruzicka
Coburn

their cap hits together are about 5 million give or take. so we have about 12.5 mil to sign 6 guys.

Carter should get 2.5-3.5 mil
richards should get about 2-3 mil
umberger- about 2 mil (i think hell be dealt)
picard about 1.5 mil
ruzicka- 1 mil
coburn 2 mil

thats about 13 mil if they arent dealt so we should be ok
Ruzicka is dead man walking... he has no place with this team anymore. He should go in deadline deal or something.

you're being much too generous with Carter, unless he pops off for 35 or something... or they sign him to a 4-5 year deal, then maybe you give him that much.

same for Richards... 1.5-2 for both those guys depending on how the years goes a bit.

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Obviously, Nonis and the rest of the conniving Canucks organization have been waiting for the day to steal Carter and Richards (Pitkanen didn't work out so well) with big offer sheets so they could get their vengeance for the Kesler signing which had wrought havoc on the city of Vancouver for years.

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Obviously, Nonis and the rest of the conniving Canucks organization have been waiting for the day to steal Carter and Richards (Pitkanen didn't work out so well) with big offer sheets so they could get their vengeance for the Kesler signing which had wrought havoc on the city of Vancouver for years.
i would suspect that Holmgren isn't stupid enough to let anyone linger out onto the open market for RFAs.

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Ruzicka is dead man walking... he has no place with this team anymore. He should go in deadline deal or something.

you're being much too generous with Carter, unless he pops off for 35 or something... or they sign him to a 4-5 year deal, then maybe you give him that much.

same for Richards... 1.5-2 for both those guys depending on how the years goes a bit.
I think they should let ruzicka rip up the AHL and then trade him.

and i tried to overestimate a bit because RFAs are starting to get paid like UFAs these days, especially if you lock them up.

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No way Carter hits the market, same with Richards.

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ok thank god, im feeling much better now. i love this board, u guys all really know your stuff.

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Obviously, Nonis and the rest of the conniving Canucks organization have been waiting for the day to steal Carter and Richards (Pitkanen didn't work out so well) with big offer sheets so they could get their vengeance for the Kesler signing which had wrought havoc on the city of Vancouver for years.
Good god, get over it.

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I'm telling you Ruzicka has a heck of a lot of talent. If there's one thing this team will need in the future, it is playmakers.

Honestly, I'd let Ruzicka and Potulny rip it up in the AHL (hopefully) and then deal Potulny. I mean look at the wings we have

Gagne - goalscorer
Knuble - goalscorer/grinder
Lupul - goalscorer
Hartnell - power forward goalscorer
Upshall - energy goalscorer
van Riemsdyk - goalscorer
Nodl - playmaker
Giroux- playmaker
Ruzicka - playmaker

I think we really need to hang onto those playmakers honestly and Ruzicka is just so talented. If he tears it up with the Phantoms, I really think he should get a shot. I mean he had rough times this year, but he showed flashes of some really sick potential. If he can get stronger on the puck (an NHL skill that you can improve at AHL level), he could become a really good player for us.

EDIT: I should be a little more clear. The way I see it, I think we may come down to a choice between Giroux and Ruzicka. I haven't seen Giroux or Nodl extensively, but I get the impression that Nodl is more of a goalscorer than either of the other two. Look at this quote from HF

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A good playmaker, Nodl is an even better shooter. The release and power of his wrist and snap shots are pro caliber already. His slap shot is also quite hard.
I see Nodl potentially as a guy who can play 2nd-3rd line for us and he is a bit larger (6'1 and already 200 lb).

I know I've changed my tune on Nodl, but the more I think about it, the more I really want to keep him. I think he can become a real contributor. So basically, I think the team needs to evaluate which one they would rather keep, Giroux or Ruzicka. As of right now, I'd say it's definitely Giroux, but if Ruzicka tears up the AHL and gets tougher on his skates, it becomes a harder decision.


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I'm telling you Ruzicka has a heck of a lot of talent. If there's one thing this team will need in the future, it is playmakers.

Honestly, I'd let Ruzicka and Potulny rip it up in the AHL (hopefully) and then deal Potulny. I mean look at the wings we have

Gagne - goalscorer
Knuble - goalscorer/grinder
Lupul - goalscorer
Hartnell - power forward goalscorer
Upshall - energy goalscorer
van Riemsdyk - goalscorer
Nodl - playmaker
Giroux- playmaker
Ruzicka - playmaker

I think we really need to hang onto those playmakers honestly and Ruzicka is just so talented. If he tears it up with the Phantoms, I really think he should get a shot. I mean he had rough times this year, but he showed flashes of some really sick potential. If he can get stronger on the puck (an NHL skill that you can improve at AHL level), he could become a really good player for us.
Right Wing:
Knuble (2 years)
Upshall (2+ years)
Lupul (2 years supposedly)
Kapanen (2 years)

Claude Giroux
Andreas Nodl
Steve Downie

Left Wing:
Gagne (4+ years)
Hartnell (6 years)
Umberger (1 year +)
Eager (2 years +)

JVR

Now, no things are certain in life... but looking at those groups of players... you really holding onto Ruzicka and letting him rot? I'm not saying he has no talent, I'm saying he doesn't fit with any long-term plan you can come up with for this club as of today. If he has a monster year in the AHL he should be moved at the deadline/draft to acquire picks or a younger defenseman with some offensive upside.

Giroux is expendable as well... however, if you want to hold him, then you definitely are trading Ruzicka.

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Richards is worth alot more than Carter is at this point. What has Carter ever done to deserve 2.5-3.5 million? If he doesn't step up this year I think its time to move on with him. He frustrates me so much.

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Richards is worth alot more than Carter is at this point. What has Carter ever done to deserve 2.5-3.5 million? If doesn't step up this year it think its time to move on with him. He frustrates me so much.
oh my god stop wanting to trade young players because their not All-Stars yet!

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Right Wing:
Knuble (2 years)
Upshall (2+ years)
Lupul (2 years supposedly)
Kapanen (2 years)

Claude Giroux
Andreas Nodl
Steve Downie

Left Wing:
Gagne (4+ years)
Hartnell (6 years)
Umberger (1 year +)
Eager (2 years +)

JVR

Now, no things are certain in life... but looking at those groups of players... you really holding onto Ruzicka and letting him rot? I'm not saying he has no talent, I'm saying he doesn't fit with any long-term plan you can come up with for this club as of today. If he has a monster year in the AHL he should be moved at the deadline/draft to acquire picks or a younger defenseman with some offensive upside.

Giroux is expendable as well... however, if you want to hold him, then you definitely are trading Ruzicka.
Read my edit. And I wonder, I mean we have 3 kinda similar guys in Upshall, Hartnell, and Lupul. Scorers first, playmaking 2nd, I have to wonder if one of them might get traded down the line to make room for someone who's more playmaking oriented.

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When have i ever wanted to trade players other then Carter? BTW I was against trading Joni so i don't really know what you basing your accusations on.

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Obviously, Nonis and the rest of the conniving Canucks organization have been waiting for the day to steal Carter and Richards (Pitkanen didn't work out so well) with big offer sheets so they could get their vengeance for the Kesler signing which had wrought havoc on the city of Vancouver for years.
If Nonis is thinking about this, instead of how to build a winner in Van- he'd be fired on the spot.

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Right Wing:
Knuble (2 years)
Upshall (2+ years)
Lupul (2 years supposedly)
Kapanen (2 years)

Claude Giroux
Andreas Nodl
Steve Downie

Left Wing:
Gagne (4+ years)
Hartnell (6 years)
Umberger (1 year +)
Eager (2 years +)

JVR

Now, no things are certain in life... but looking at those groups of players... you really holding onto Ruzicka and letting him rot? I'm not saying he has no talent, I'm saying he doesn't fit with any long-term plan you can come up with for this club as of today. If he has a monster year in the AHL he should be moved at the deadline/draft to acquire picks or a younger defenseman with some offensive upside.

Giroux is expendable as well... however, if you want to hold him, then you definitely are trading Ruzicka.
Maybe it's just me, but I think Downie would be more expendable than Giroux. I like both, but I think Giroux has the higher upside of the two. However, it's a good predicament that we're in. To have this many skilled forwards is definitely not a bad issue to have.

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how are we going to sign these guys next year? we are so close to the cap as is. who else has a contract up next year? I'm kind of worried that these recent big deals may hurt us next year.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers employ a capologist, a numbers specialist, whose job includes responsibilities dedicated to dissecting the intricacies of the cap. He probably has an informed opinion on what the team should expect down the road for situations like the one you mentioned.

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how are we going to sign these guys next year? we are so close to the cap as is. who else has a contract up next year? I'm kind of worried that these recent big deals may hurt us next year.
I'm sure it's not like the Flyers aren't aware of this... relax.

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oh my god stop wanting to trade young players because their not All-Stars yet!
Man, Jester, he ticked you off so much that you used "their" instead of "they're."

I'm revoking your diploma.

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Maybe it's just me, but I think Downie would be more expendable than Giroux. I like both, but I think Giroux has the higher upside of the two. However, it's a good predicament that we're in. To have this many skilled forwards is definitely not a bad issue to have.
There is no need to trade either of them. Downie has a place on this team this year if he wants and earns it, JVR and Giroux come onto the team when Knuble and Kapanen leave.

I am tired of trading young guys. The reason the Devils and Red Wings have won a few cups and stayed so good over the years is because they always seem to have someone in the minors or juniors that are ready to replace players leaving. Same with Buffalo, although they havent got the cup.

There are ways to get what we need without giving up our best prospects.

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