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why is micheal ryder not mentioned for the Calder

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12-31-2003, 03:48 AM
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why is micheal ryder not mentioned for the Calder

jason king has fallen in the points for rookie lead, bergeron in boston gets a lot of ink and we all know raycroft and fleury are good bets for the calder, i just think the leader point getter in the rookie points category should get some conversation.

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As much as I like Ryder, I think Pitkanen will win it..

1-Pitkanen
2-Hunter
3-Ryder

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Wrong forum....

I agree with CoupeStanley. Though I'd like to see more of Patrice Bergeron.

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jason king has fallen in the points for rookie lead, bergeron in boston gets a lot of ink and we all know raycroft and fleury are good bets for the calder, i just think the leader point getter in the rookie points category should get some conversation.

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I agree, he should get more mention, however, Ryder is 23yrs. old I beleive, while some of these other players like Bergeron, Fleury for example are 18, 19 yrs. old, and playing in their first professional season, Ryder will have to have a impressive stats for him to win the Calder, although at the same time he's been very, very good for the Habs this year, very consistent, he usually gets a couple of scoring chances every game, he works hard all the time, I expect him to be a solid contributor for the Habs for years to come, come to think about it, with a little more luck Michael Ryder could easily have 5 or 6 more goals this year, from the faceoff circles to the net, he's one of the most dangerous players on the team, he has a way of weaving in and out of traffic to let loose his quick shot....

If he keeps this up though, he'll be there when it's time to announce the Calder winner

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I would assume because Hunter has the leading runaway spot on it at the midway point.

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less games and ice time than all but one of the top 10 rookies (the quickly sliding Jason King)

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What's with King? This guy hasn't scored since the 8th grade picnic.

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What's with King? This guy hasn't scored since the 8th grade picnic.
All that early season magic between the Sedin's seems to have worn off somehow. They were the best scoring line on the Canucks earlier in the season. No idea whats happened. It used to be every time King touched the puck it was an instant goal.

 
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All that early season magic between the Sedin's seems to have worn off somehow. They were the best scoring line on the Canucks earlier in the season. No idea whats happened. It used to be every time King touched the puck it was an instant goal.
He'll quickly find himself on the Moose.

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I still think Joni Pitkanen has been the best rookie so far this year.

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I still think Joni Pitkanen has been the best rookie so far this year.
i agree, great job by philly to get him

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I still think Joni Pitkanen has been the best rookie so far this year.
You should take a good look at Mr. Hunter, then.
Seriously, I would be impressed with this guy, no matter what sweater he wore. He looks like a 10-year vet out there.

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I would assume because Hunter has the leading runaway spot on it at the midway point.

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Hunter is arguably the leading ROY candidate thus far. If he can remain consistent and put up 25-30 goals with around 60 points, he will win it.

Jackman was an exception to ROY winner last year because the other candidates had weak numbers and were not consistent enough.

Pitkanen has played very well, but he must obtain about 35 points to be seriously considered over a 60-65 point forward (if Hunter reaches that level).

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i agree, great job by philly to get him
Boy do that Tampa/Philly deal looks bad now. Tampa would look quite good with Pitkanen on it instead of Fedotenko (I'm still scratching my head over that one).

As for the Calder, Pitkanen has been my favorite all along, followed by Hunter and Ryder. I don't think Ryder will win it, but he's quietly making a name for himself in that league. He'll get consideration as if he continues at that pace, he's going to end up with about 15 goals and close to 50 points on a very defensive minded team.

Still, Pitkanen's the man IMO.

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Wrong forum....
No it's not. The Calder Trophy is an NHL award.

Anyway, Hunter is my Calder leader by far.

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why is micheal ryder not mentioned for the Calder
Because of his age.

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Because of his age.
Then Trent Hunter shouldn't be a candidate either since he's the same age as Ryder.

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King was a healthy scratch last night?
Any VAN fan want to shed some light?

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Comparison

M. Ryder, RW 38 7 14 21 1 12 15:23 3 4 0 0 97 7.2

Trent Hunter, RW 32 14 10 24 12 10 14:27 2 4 0 0 78 17.9

major differences are in goals and plus/minus. I just think Hunter has done more to help his team than Ryder or any other rookie has.

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M. Ryder, RW 38 7 14 21 1 12 15:23 3 4 0 0 97 7.2

Trent Hunter, RW 32 14 10 24 12 10 14:27 2 4 0 0 78 17.9

major differences are in goals and plus/minus. I just think Hunter has done more to help his team than Ryder or any other rookie has.
I agree.. Hunter is putting up the better numbers and deserves the Calder as of right now. The biggest difference is the much higher goals total in fewer games.

Ryder is definitely getting his fair share of chances playing on Saku's right wing. He just can't buy one.

Right now, I'd go:
1) Hunter
2) Pitkanen
3) Ryder

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Questoin

what was Ryder's role coming into this season? Was he projected to make the team.

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I still think Joni Pitkanen has been the best rookie so far this year.
Agreed the kid is a future norris trophy winner!
The next Lidstrom!

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what was Ryder's role coming into this season? Was he projected to make the team.
Ryder came into to camp like any other rookie hoping to play his heart out and make the team!

Ryder made the team with hardwork ethic and his attitude..

But to say Ryder was going to make the team or play on the first line was totally unpredictable!

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King was a healthy scratch last night?
Any VAN fan want to shed some light?
He did not get a single point in the month of december.. he'll be finding himself on the Moose soon and Reid will probably be called up as he is turning it around again.

 
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what was Ryder's role coming into this season? Was he projected to make the team.
No, he wasn't. In last year's training camp he didn't look all that good and started off in the ECHL. Then he worked hard, made it to the AHL, improved his skating and overall play tremendously. In last year's AHL playoffs, he was among the team's leaders and played through a seperated shoulder (I believe that's what the injury was).

Heading into camp, he was low on the list of prospects who were expected to press for a spot. Then he started tearing up camp and had Koivu singing his praises, so he made the club as a second line winger, and has since moved up to the first line. Ryder's been a stalwart there ever since, on pace for 200+ shots and he's starting to be capable of generating offense for his line rather than relying on Koivu for it. Starting to develop a nice well-rounded offensive package.

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i really like

players that received zero press like Ryder,Raycroft, and Bergeron.i don't think they will win Calder but they certainly earned a heck of a lot of respect.that may not mean much but to the players it is everything.

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