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Isles Moving AGAIN Speculation Part II????

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Good to hear --- but WHAT ARE THE UPGRADES?????

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...des-1.12239757

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Good to hear --- but WHAT ARE THE UPGRADES?????

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...des-1.12239757
Most likely they get rid of the Honda car.. that should put an end to that ridiculous twtter account. Seats or standing room only..perhaps some minor construction for the corner seats. Obstructed view tickets half off

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Shouldn't the title of this thread be something like, "Isles threatening to move to get concessions from Barclays"?

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Most likely they get rid of the Honda car.. that should put an end to that ridiculous twtter account. Seats or standing room only..perhaps some minor construction for the corner seats. Obstructed view tickets half off
The CRV in the corner is a source of revenue, frankly the least of the problems.


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Shouldn't the title of this thread be something like, "Isles threatening to move to get concessions from Barclays"?
It could change weekly as per agenda by area sports writers.

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[QUOTE=Bones45;121729621]The CRV in the corner is a source of revenue, frankly the least of the problems.

I know its revenue for the team but thats some prime real estate. They could do some construction there specifically and it could be done quickly and have more seats.

I am sure if they can make more with the car they will leave the car but deep down it looks silly.

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If anyone is a member of the Facebook group "Bring The Islanders Home" their lease agreement with Barclays has been posted there.

Just an FYI

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Solid information here regarding the opt out clause --- from today's Newsday. No agenda, right?

While a new arena/move may be unlikely, its clear that the current deal b/t the two allows anything to happen in the future.




http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ons-1.12269479

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Solid information here regarding the opt out clause --- from today's Newsday. No agenda, right?

While a new arena/move may be unlikely, its clear that the current deal b/t the two allows anything to happen in the future.




http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ons-1.12269479
The opt out clause itself is probably the most attractive part of the deal to Ledecky and Malkin

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Solid information here regarding the opt out clause --- from today's Newsday. No agenda, right?

While a new arena/move may be unlikely, its clear that the current deal b/t the two allows anything to happen in the future.




http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ons-1.12269479


It's a good piece. Lays it out pretty cleanly how things may or may not proceed.

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Interesting that the Nets are allowed to play at most 2 home games away from Barclay's Center, whereas no surprise the Isles aren't. That lease between Ratner and Nassau County that included the Isles play 6 games there a season doesn't look like it holds much promise in that case. Ratner looks like he may be paying the county $1 million extra in rent.

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Solid information here regarding the opt out clause --- from today's Newsday. No agenda, right?

While a new arena/move may be unlikely, its clear that the current deal b/t the two allows anything to happen in the future.




http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ons-1.12269479
I wish it was easier to pull all the old posts of people here saying the lease was iron clad, the ny post reporters were hacks, articles talking about the opt out are click bait etc...

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Interesting that the Nets are allowed to play at most 2 home games away from Barclay's Center, whereas no surprise the Isles aren't. That lease between Ratner and Nassau County that included the Isles play 6 games there a season doesn't look like it holds much promise in that case. Ratner looks like he may be paying the county $1 million extra in rent.
The nets 2 games probably has some to do with the NBA trying to expand the game and playing games in London each year.

What concerns me is if for some reason the Barclay Center wants the Islanders out what then?

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I wish it was easier to pull all the old posts of people here saying the lease was iron clad, the ny post reporters were hacks, articles talking about the opt out are click bait etc...
Don't worry, they know who they are. It would be rude to point fingers. I just dont see how knowing everything we know today, how someone could say that there is no way that the Isles aren't moving from Barclays.

(and yet, I know someone will)

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The nets 2 games probably has some to do with the NBA trying to expand the game and playing games in London each year.

What concerns me is if for some reason the Barclay Center wants the Islanders out what then?
I think the Newsday article mentioned how Barclays is making much more $ with the Isles there. Unless there is some major tension that we don't know about, I would think it would be the Isles pulling the plug on this mess, not Barclays.

If I was L/M, one of the things I would be working towards is equal footing with the Nets as far as tenants. Have them split first billing. The arena has no feel to it, and where there is a feel, its basketball/non Isles feel. Being an owner, you have to think how the teams "home" comes across to the players and the fans who attend. Right now, its quite lacking. Its someone else's home.

And unless that is overcome, to the point where you can look around the arena and say "Yeah.. this is the Isles home", then I wouldn't be happy.

Then you move on to the obstructed view disaster, and then, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THE ****ING CUPHOLDERS.

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It's a good piece. Lays it out pretty cleanly how things may or may not proceed.
Notice who DIDN'T write it.

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Interesting that the Nets are allowed to play at most 2 home games away from Barclay's Center, whereas no surprise the Isles aren't. That lease between Ratner and Nassau County that included the Isles play 6 games there a season doesn't look like it holds much promise in that case. Ratner looks like he may be paying the county $1 million extra in rent.
That whole thing was and is a total sham for Mangano to save face and also soften the blow to local fans.

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Solid information here regarding the opt out clause --- from today's Newsday. No agenda, right?

While a new arena/move may be unlikely, its clear that the current deal b/t the two allows anything to happen in the future.




http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...ons-1.12269479
It's a solid read but they do not cover how the Isles dates are required to refinance the loans saving BC $90M.

L/M have leverage knowing that BC needs the Isles dates to maintain the terms of the financing.

I suspect L/M will obtain a bunch of concessions from BC as BC needs the Isles. Isles leave BC looks very in the red for the banks.

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The opt out clause itself is probably the most attractive part of the deal to Ledecky and Malkin
Actually the wording of the opt out is a poison pill. The "good faith" part makes it extremely difficult to start to build a new building until 3-4 years from now.

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That whole thing was and is a total sham for Mangano to save face and also soften the blow to local fans.
Essentially just a way to work another $1 million in rent into the lease agreement, without calling it "rent."

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Actually the wording of the opt out is a poison pill. The "good faith" part makes it extremely difficult to start to build a new building until 3-4 years from now.
That's my read as well. In addition, it means that it's not a unilateral opt out as they need to exchange reasonable proposals to work out any differences before either side can terminate the agreement. It seems to greatly limit it's utility.

Besides that, the only thing worth noting is that while everyone is pointing to the revenue guarantee as limiting profitability, that seems to be anything but the case. That guarantee is not the cap, it's the floor, with the team also getting 70 percent of everything that comes in after the guarantee is hit. That's kind of a big deal.

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At the end of the day if the Isles want out, Barclays will let them out. Despite what anything in the lease may say. I can't see Barclays saying no if the Isles basically have a deal done to star building a new arena in queens. They may be pains in the ass for a time but inevitably it's in the best interests of the NHL and the fans to let them out if that transpires

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It really wouldn't shock me if the renovated Coliseum became our temporary home while a new arena is being built, as mentioned in the article. The timeframe seems to match up fairly well.

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It really wouldn't shock me if the renovated Coliseum became our temporary home while a new arena is being built, as mentioned in the article. The timeframe seems to match up fairly well.
Even more entertaining was the idea that MSG could be the temporary home.

Imagine that.

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I wish it was easier to pull all the old posts of people here saying the lease was iron clad, the ny post reporters were hacks, articles talking about the opt out are click bait etc...
It is in a sense "iron clad" as from the Isles standpoint it is not exactly move friendly considering the timing of things and when they have to be done, and how long it takes for a new building to be designed and build. I said before here or elsewhere, every contact is breakable it's just a matter of the terms to break it.


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Even more entertaining was the idea that MSG could be the temporary home.

Imagine that.

I could see NVMC becoming a TEMPORARY home. I would prefer that over MSG. I don't want that filth (MSG) to be even our temporary home.

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Actually the wording of the opt out is a poison pill. The "good faith" part makes it extremely difficult to start to build a new building until 3-4 years from now.
Good faith negotiating, unless it's defined in the agreement, is nebulous at best and difficult to prove that one side did not bargain in good faith.

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