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02-18-2008, 06:44 PM
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Here's what I have committed for the NYR next season, as of today's roster:

Lundy 6.875
Toots 2.844
Girardi 1.55
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Pru 1.6
Dubi 0.633
Betts 0.615
Orr 0.55
Hollweg 0.507
Callahan 0.489
Staal 0.827
30.897

These are the cap #s from nhlnumbers.com.

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Realisitically next year you could have the following lineup...

Cherepanov/Anisimov Gomez UFA
Dawes Drury Prucha
Avery Dubinsky Callahan
Hossa Betts Orr

Hollweg


Staal Rozsival
Tyutin Girardi
UFA Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer

Strudwick (im just going to assume he'll be with this club till the day he dies)

Lundqvist
Montoya/Vally/Wiikman

You look at that lineup, and really, i dont have a problem going to war with that lineup.

Not one bit. Also keep in mind, none of those 3 lines are #1 lines. I think were rolling 3 #2 lines, and a 4th line. Thats a-ok with me.
If this were the lineup - then this is the situation I believe:

Player Name Cap 2008/2009 Status
Cherepanov 1300 new entry contract
Dawes 900 new contract RFA
Avery 3100 new contract UFA
Hossa 780 new contract RFA
UFA FW(Jagr?) 5000 no contract UFA
Anisimov 850 signed
Hollweg 513 signed
Drury 7050 signed
Gomez 7357 signed
Prucha 1600 signed
Dubinsky 633 signed
Callahan 575 signed
Betts 615 signed
Orr 538 signed
  
Staal 827 signed
Tyutin 2844 signed
Girardi 1550 signed
UFA D (2) 3500 no contract UFA
Rozsival/UFA (1) 5000 no contract UFA
Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer 800 signed
Strudwick/other 500 no contract UFA
  
Lundquist 6875 signed
Vally/UFA 800 no contract UFA
  
Salary overdraft 2007/2008?? 800
  
Total 54135  
  
Salary Cap 2oo8 ?? 55000 very tight

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If this were the lineup - then this is the situation I believe:

Player Name Cap 2008/2009 Status
Cherepanov 1300 new entry contract
Dawes 900 new contract RFA
Avery 3100 new contract UFA
Hossa 780 new contract RFA
UFA FW(Jagr?) 5000 no contract UFA
Anisimov 850 signed
Hollweg 513 signed
Drury 7050 signed
Gomez 7357 signed
Prucha 1600 signed
Dubinsky 633 signed
Callahan 575 signed
Betts 615 signed
Orr 538 signed
  
Staal 827 signed
Tyutin 2844 signed
Girardi 1550 signed
UFA D (2) 3500 no contract UFA
Rozsival/UFA (1) 5000 no contract UFA
Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer 800 signed
Strudwick/other 500 no contract UFA
  
Lundquist 6875 signed
Vally/UFA 800 no contract UFA
  
Salary overdraft 2007/2008?? 800
  
Total 54135  
  
Salary Cap 2oo8 ?? 55000 very tight
Yes, it's tight...but as you can see it's doable. The sky isn't falling. Now if Rozy wants 6.5m then we'll need to go in a different direction. Same thing if Jagr won't come back for around 5m. But that's still 10m we'll have for 2 more guys.

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Hmmm... I don't look at it like that. First of all, you've got 14 forwards and 7 defensemen on the squad. We will certainly have extras, but only as needed during the year, counting only 5-6 figures against the cap. Second, I don't necessarily agree with all of your assumptions.

12 Forwards:
Cherepanov 1,000 - as the 17th pick in the draft, why would he be coming over at $500K more than Staal?
Dawes 900
Avery 2,500 - obviously there is an entire thread on this subject, but given his numbers and injuries I don't see him getting much more than this.
Hossa 0 - hate to say it, but I see Marcel going. He simply hasn't stepped up and there are too many younger guys ready to step in.
UFA FW(Jagr?) 5,000 - I don't think it'll be Jags. The team is being constructed to play a very different style and I see them bidding a very appreciative farewell to Jaromir and trading for someone younger more suited to the new style. Salary might be about right, however.
Anisimov 850
Hollweg 513 - to be replaced, but by someone with a similar salary.
Drury 7,050
Gomez 7,357
Prucha 0 - I see Pruchs in a trade to find the replacement for Jags.
Dubinsky 633
Callahan 575
Betts 615
Orr 538 - to be replaced, but by someone with a similar salary.

6 Defensemen:
Staal 827
Tyutin 2,844
Girardi 1,550
UFA D (2) 2,500 - I can actually see this being another of Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer, but for conservatism I will say this is Mara resigned at $1MM less than he's currently making.
Rozsival/UFA (1) 5,000
Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer 800

Extra:
Strudwick/other 500

Goalies:
Lundquist: 6,875
Vally/UFA: 800

Other:
In-season call-ups: 300
Salary overdraft 2007/2008: 800

Total 50,327

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Hmmm... I don't look at it like that. First of all, you've got 14 forwards and 7 defensemen on the squad. We will certainly have extras, but only as needed during the year, counting only 5-6 figures against the cap. Second, I don't necessarily agree with all of your assumptions.
These are not my assumptions really - this is Infernos lineup. But I think we are all pretty close to agreeing that the sky is not falling.

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please, it's Lundqvist...

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UFA FW(Jagr?) 5,000 - I don't think it'll be Jags. The team is being constructed to play a very different style and I see them bidding a very appreciative farewell to Jaromir and trading for someone younger more suited to the new style. Salary might be about right, however.
Prucha 0 - I see Pruchs in a trade to find the replacement for Jags.

Total 50,327
Yeah, I can just see it now...move Prucha, let Jags walk, and for just about the same cap hit bring in Marian.

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Here's what I have committed for the NYR next season, as of today's roster:

Lundy 6.875
Toots 2.844
Girardi 1.55
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Pru 1.6
Dubi 0.633
Betts 0.615
Orr 0.55
Hollweg 0.507
Callahan 0.489
Staal 0.827
30.897

These are the cap #s from nhlnumbers.com.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

1. The numbers for Hollweg and Callahan are wholly wrong because of how he calculates cap numbers [hint: he takes the # of days they've been on the roster this year and applies it to all future years] and thus it understates how much each team has.
2. Hollweg isn't even correct; almost every team has at least one notable error.
3. Where dollars count [and they very well may next year just as they have this year], rounding will eventually indicate a team has room when in fact they don't.
4. If a player hasn't played in the NHL this year, he doesn't even list them - so the totals are understated even more.

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I never claimed that my calculations were completely accurate. Given how complex the salary cap has become, I'm satisfied if I'm close to the real numbers. But I'd appreciate any corrections you have for me.
Among others: I have Barnes on the roster for 8 days [this is my best guess here] and Parenteau on for one day [I'm positive on this - he was a healthy scratch on January 8]. I might post my calculations later if I get time.

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02-26-2008, 06:51 PM
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Post-Deadline Calculations:

PlayerCap HitDaily HitDays on RosterActual Hit
Gomez$7,357,134$36,343187$7,357,134
Drury$7,050,000$37,701187$7,050,000
Shanahan$5,300,000$28,342187$5,300,000
Jagr$4,940,000$26,417187$4,940,000
Straka$3,300,000$17,647187$3,300,000
Avery$1,900,000$10,160187$1,900,000
Prucha$1,600,000$8,556187$1,600,000
Hossa$780,000$4,171146$608,984
Dubinsky$633,333$3,387187$633,333
Betts$615,000$3,289187$615,000
Callahan$575,000$3,075161$495,053
Orr$537,500$2,874187$537,500
Hollweg$512,500$2,741187$512,500
Dawes$496,333$2,654143$379,549
Moore$725,000$3,87730$116,310
Barnes$516,667$2,7638$22,103
Parenteau$550,000$2,9411$2,941
Byers$608,333$3,2532$6,506
Sjostrom$775,000$4,14441$169,920
    
Mara$3,000,000$16,043187$3,000,000
Malik$2,500,000$13,369187$2,500,000
Rozsival$2,100,000$11,230187$2,100,000
Tyutin$987,500$5,281187$987,500
Staal$826,667$4,421187$826,667
Girardi$750,000$4,011187$750,000
Strudwick$500,000$2,674187$500,000
Pock$667,500$3,57022$78,529
Baranka$521,667$2,7904$11,159
Potter$542,500$2,9011$2,901
Backman$2,300,000$12,29941$504,278
    
Lundqvist$4,250,000$22,727187$4,250,000
Valiquette$617,500$3,302187$617,500
Total: $51,675,368
Overage: $1,375,368


The total assumes no call-ups or demotions for the rest of the season, even though that would put the team at 24 players once Mara is healthy.

The overage prediction includes $1.1m in bonuses that are still up in the air. Shanahan has $800k based on playoff performance. Girardi still has $200k in bonuses and Staal has $100k. I have no idea how Girardi or Staal trigger their bonuses.


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Post-Deadline Calculations:

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The total assumes no call-ups or demotions for the rest of the season, even though that would put the team at 24 players once Mara is healthy.

The overage prediction includes $1.1m in bonuses that are still up in the air. Shanahan has $800k based on playoff performance. Girardi still has $200k in bonuses and Staal has $100k. I have no idea how Girardi or Staal trigger their bonuses.
Thanks as always Kodiak. Yourself, RB and BBKers all deserve a pat on the back for keeping us up on all this ****. If I ever meet you guys, beer will be on me.

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Good work. Thanks for posting, it's always interesting to see what figures other people are getting..

My spreadsheet has a few of minor differences, that may be worth double checking -

- Callahan - 159 days / $488,904.
- Dawes - 137 days / $363,624
- Moore - 22 days / $85,294
- Baranka - 4 days / $11,159
- Barnes + Potter - were never on the roster as far as I can tell?
- Hollweg - salary should be $500 less
- Montoya (1 day, $5,263) and Byers (2 days, $6,506) are missing.

For what it's worth, I've used NHLSCAP for cap numbers, and CBS Sportsline for transaction dates.

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Good work. Thanks for posting, it's always interesting to see what figures other people are getting..

My spreadsheet has a few of minor differences, that may be worth double checking -

- Callahan - 159 days / $488,904.
- Dawes - 137 days / $363,624
- Moore - 22 days / $85,294
- Baranka - 4 days / $11,159
- Barnes + Potter - were never on the roster as far as I can tell?
- Hollweg - salary should be $500 less
- Montoya (1 day, $5,263) and Byers (2 days, $6,506) are missing.

For what it's worth, I've used NHLSCAP for cap numbers, and CBS Sportsline for transaction dates.
Thanks for the heads up on Hollweg and Baranka. I used to use nhlnumbers, which rounded off the cap hits. I thought I had gotten them all, but I must have missed Hollweg. I actually have Baranka at 4 days in my spreadsheet. I'm not sure why I listed him at 2 days here.

Barnes was on the roster to start the season. He couldn't be demoted due to injury. The 8 days figure is coming from IB.

Potter was called up to practice with the team recently. Most sites don't list those transactions.

Byers should definitely be on there. Thanks for that one, too.

I don't recall Montoya being on the roster. You may be right, but it's hard to keep track.

It's really difficult to keep up with the call-ups and demotions, especially when a player is just called up for practice. I don't even pretend that my numbers are exact. But I feel comfortable saying that our cap overage for next season will be in the $1.3-1.4m area, assuming Dawes and Callahan stay up and all bonuses are hit. That's the only real reason why I keep a running tally like this.

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anyone remember what the rule is with regards to bonuses? isnt it something like, you can go x% above the cap this year, and anythign beyond that goes to next year? if so, fill in the blank on how much will actually carry over to next year if possible

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anyone remember what the rule is with regards to bonuses? isnt it something like, you can go x% above the cap this year, and anythign beyond that goes to next year? if so, fill in the blank on how much will actually carry over to next year if possible
It's 7.5% of the cap, which is $3.1m. That's my $1.375m overage figure, which will count against our cap next year, but like I said, $1.1m of that is still up in the air as far as I know.

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Yep, I agree that the final deficit will be somewhere slightly over $1.3 million.

According to Sportsline, Montoya was called up on 17 Dec, and sent back the followed day.

I'm a bit annoyed that I've managed to miss some of the "practice" callups. When I first went looking for lists of transactions, Sportsline seemed to be the most complete so I've used them. I'll have to check for a better option.

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It's 7.5% of the cap, which is $3.1m. That's my $1.375m overage figure, which will count against our cap next year, but like I said, $1.1m of that is still up in the air as far as I know.
wait, i thought if the overage was less than the 7.5% then it DIDNT count towards next year, that it would count towards this year, and that anything BEYOND the 7.5% would count towards next year.


can anyone clarify this?

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wait, i thought if the overage was less than the 7.5% then it DIDNT count towards next year, that it would count towards this year, and that anything BEYOND the 7.5% would count towards next year.


can anyone clarify this?
No, the cap is the cap and anything over it counts towards next year.

The 7.5% cushion is an absolute limit that can't be exceeded at all, under any circumstances - the NHL simply won't sanction trades/contract that take a team above the 7.5% cushion.

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wait, i thought if the overage was less than the 7.5% then it DIDNT count towards next year, that it would count towards this year, and that anything BEYOND the 7.5% would count towards next year.


can anyone clarify this?
A team is allowed to exceed the cap by 7.5% to pay bonuses, but anything in that 7.5% cushion counts towards next year's cap. A team is not allowed to have any outstanding bonuses in excess of the 7.5% cushion.

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i see. so what do they do, they take up all the potential bonuses and make sure they dont add up to 7.5% of the upper bound?

its confusing.

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Realisitically next year you could have the following lineup...

Cherepanov/Anisimov Gomez UFA
Dawes Drury Prucha
Avery Dubinsky Callahan
Sjostrom Betts Orr

Hollweg (Gratton)


Staal Rozsival
Tyutin Girardi
Backman Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer

Strudwick (im just going to assume he'll be with this club till the day he dies)

Lundqvist
Montoya/Vally/Wiikman

You look at that lineup, and really, i dont have a problem going to war with that lineup.

Not one bit. Also keep in mind, none of those 3 lines are #1 lines. I think were rolling 3 #2 lines, and a 4th line. Thats a-ok with me.
If this were the lineup - then this is the situation I believe:

Player Name Cap 2008/2009 Status
Cherepanov 1300 new entry contract
Dawes 900 new contract RFA
Avery 3100 new contract UFA
UFA FW(Jagr?) 5000 no contract UFA
Sjostrom 775 signed
Anisimov 850 signed
Hollweg (Gratton) 513 (550) signed
Drury 7050 signed
Gomez 7357 signed
Prucha 1600 signed
Dubinsky 633 signed
Callahan 575 signed
Betts 615 signed
Orr 538 signed
  
Staal 827 signed
Tyutin 2844 signed
Girardi 1550 signed
Backman 2300 signed
Rozsival/UFA (1) 5000 no contract - UFA
Sanguinetti/Baranka/Sauer 800 signed
Strudwick/other 500 no contract UFA
  
Lundquist 6875 signed
Vally/UFA 800 no contract UFA
  
Salary overdraft 2007/2008?? 1.375
  
Total 53560 updated - thanx
  
Salary Cap 2oo8 ?? 55000
  • Less tight than 2 days ago...
  • Still need a top UFA defender
  • Decision on Rozie (definitely effected by above)
  • Decision on Avery (3.000.000 ???)
  • Decision on Jagr (5.000.000) or that he goes on a mad point streak the final 18 games to attain contract extension goal. Nothing I would not like to see tho
  • Straka + Shanny = gone ??? Probably...
  • Sign Cherry
  • Sign Dawes
  • Sign new backup keeper (I like Vally so far, but... ahem....)
  • Assume that 2 young forwards (Cherry + Anisimov in the above prediction - but could also be Korpedo, Byers, Bourret, Moore, Specimen or someone else) + one defender (of Sangs + Sauer + Baranka + Potter + Hutch) make it out of camp.
Man is our talent pool deep...


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Well didn't someone on our roster have a bona-fide long-term-injury or however it is called? Because then, the salary of the called-up replacement (so maybe a few days from dawes salary) wouldn't count against the cap as far as i know.

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Well didn't someone on our roster have a bona-fide long-term-injury or however it is called? Because then, the salary of the called-up replacement (so maybe a few days from dawes salary) wouldn't count against the cap as far as i know.
Based on what's been reported, it doesn't look like the Rangers registered anyone as a LTIR replacement. I don't know whether it could be done retrospectively or not.

Even if someone was/is considered a LTIR replacement, then it wouldn't makes a huge difference to the overall situation - Dawes cap number is $2,654 per day and the other prospects aren't much higher.

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Based on what's been reported, it doesn't look like the Rangers registered anyone as a LTIR replacement. I don't know whether it could be done retrospectively or not.

Even if someone was/is considered a LTIR replacement, then it wouldn't makes a huge difference to the overall situation - Dawes cap number is $2,654 per day and the other prospects aren't much higher.
Yeah that's true, but since we're already over the cap this year, every single dollar is wasted cap money for next year. So i think you should save everything you can...

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Wishful thining I know - but...

Since I have been previously commenting Infernos interesting lineup prediction for 2008 - here is my own with regards to cap space...

Cherepanov Gomez Jagr
Dawes Drury Avery
Ruutu Dubinsky Korpedo
Callahan Betts Sjostrom/Orr

or

Avery Dubinsky Jagr
Dawes Drury Sjostrom
Cherepenov Gomez Ruutu
Callahan Betts Korpedo/Orr

Extras - Orr (against goon dressing opponents), Anisimov (trying wing position)

Waiting in wings - Bourret, Huge Spec, Moore, Byers...

Ruutu signed as UFA (2.000)
Hollweg dealt for pick/AHL
Prucha dealt for Warrener (CAL)
Gratton in Hartford as callup
Straka, Shanny gone

Staal Rozsival
Tyutin Girardi
Backman Warrener

7th man - Hutch/Baranka

Sanguinetti, Sauer with the Pack (initially)

Warrener, Backstrom only signed through 2008/2009. Then the Pack kids on D (Sauer/Sangs/Baranka) should be fully ready...

Lundqvist
UFA or Vally/Wiikman

If this were the lineup - then this i could be the cap situation I believe:

Player Name Cap 2008/2009 Status
Cherepanov 1000 new entry contract
Dawes 1500 new contract RFA - 2 years
Avery 3000 new contract UFA - 3 years
Jagr 5000 resigned UFA - 2 years?
Ruutu 2000 signed as UFA - 2 years
Drury 7050 signed
Gomez 7357 signed
Prucha 1600 signed
Dubinsky 633 signed
Callahan 575 signed
Betts 615 signed
Orr 538 signed
Sjostrom 775 signed
Anisimov 850 signed
Korpedo1018 signed
Rozsival 4800resigned as UFA - 3 years
Warrener 2350 acquired in trade for Prucha
Staal 827 signed
Tyutin 2844 signed
Girardi 1550 signed
Backman2300 signed
Baranka/Hutch 521 (550) signed/resigned
  
Lundkvist 6875 signed
UFA 800 no contract UFA
  
Salary overdraft 2007/2008?? 1.375??
Resign Jagr -750subtracted
  
Total 55382 updated - thanx
  
Salary Cap 2oo8 ?? 55500 hopefully
Remember - This is a 23 man lineup prediction - which would probably not be used all season - minimizing actual cap hit!!!

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If you're going to be over, you might as well run it out to the exact dollar so you know exactly what you're looking at.

BTW - with regards to LTIR, the team has to be at or near the Upper Limit excluding performance bonuses to potentially get relief. The Rangers have never been at that point from what I've got.

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