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01-01-2004, 10:50 AM
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Kariya update

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...864345,00.html

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Left wing Paul Kariya skated in the morning, and shot and stickhandled the puck. He should be in the lineup no later than Sunday against Minnesota.
That sounds like good news.

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this is kinda off topic but...

once kariya is back and the two top lines are in form do you think sakic's production with increase? decrease? stay the same?

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Is Kariya back for today's game vs Minny?

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Is Kariya back for today's game vs Minny?
According to the DP, that will be determined by the Avs this morning.

Considering how conservative the Avs have been with his injury, it would not surprise me if he doesn't play until Tuesday.

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Kariya, etc.

FWIW, Kariya is NOT listed in today's official Game Notes Line-up Card. Curiously, Sakic (jaw) is... as is the just recalled Brad Larsen... giving the Avs a total of 21 skaters on the roster.

If Kariya does play, somebody else will need to be dropped via some move (I.R., AHL, etc.). Krestanovich?

IF Sakic is dropped AND Kariya returns, who centers the Kariya-Selanne line? Kono? Brigley (with an ailing back)? Tanguay?

There's a significant ripples-across-the-pond effect here. So, I'd also be somewhat surprised if they bring Kariya back in a game with another makeshift lineup. On the other hand, "makeshift" ain't new here.

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Kariya, etc.

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If Kariya does play and Sakic doesn't, do you think Granato would put Forsberg between them just to see how it works? I bet it'll be either Kono or Niko to center them.
That's a very good question, Super.

My guess is that Granato will try a mixture of Flavor-Of-The-Minute lines, with Forsberg and Niko doing some double-shifting, but Kono centering at least half that line's shifts.

The resulting lack of cohesiveness will pose a major risk against Minnesota's trapping/back-checking/turnover-provoking system tonight. I look for another dull, low-scoring game...with the Av's frustrations and mistakes (turnovers) making the big difference. I hope I'm wrong.

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Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne
Konowalchuk - Tanguay - Hejduk

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Steve Konowalchuk is much more of a second line player than Andrei Nikolishin is.

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Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne
Konowalchuk - Tanguay - Hejduk

I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Steve Konowalchuk is much more of a second line player than Andrei Nikolishin is.
i disagree with the line combos...you can't break up the AMP line. their chemistry is out of this world. i wouldn't mind if either kono or niko centered the kariya-selanne line for today's game. you know id like for tony to experiment with a third line consisting of Hinote-Niko-Selanne just for the hell of it. I honestly believe that Selanne thrives best when he's the main man on a line (as he did during the 98-99 season when he was an MVP candidate). i also believe the focus of the second line should be the chemistry between kariya and sakic, with kono crashing the net.

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ESPN says that he will likely miss tonight's game against the Wild.

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However, Avalanche center Joe Sakic is listed as day-to-day after suffering a fractured jaw in Wednesday's game against Calgary. After undergoing surgery Saturday, Sakic will miss Sunday's contest, but could play in Tuesday against Columbus.

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i disagree with the line combos...you can't break up the AMP line. their chemistry is out of this world. i wouldn't mind if either kono or niko centered the kariya-selanne line for today's game. you know id like for tony to experiment with a third line consisting of Hinote-Niko-Selanne just for the hell of it. I honestly believe that Selanne thrives best when he's the main man on a line (as he did during the 98-99 season when he was an MVP candidate). i also believe the focus of the second line should be the chemistry between kariya and sakic, with kono crashing the net.
I agree that you cannot break up the AMP line due to their chemistry, but you also can't break up Kariya-Selanne. When they were together they both argueably played the best hockey of their career. They were one of the best duos in recent memory and if they can rekindle that magic with the AMP line clicking, then watch out. Also Karyia-Selanne both took paycuts so they could play together and I think the Avs should repay the favor and let them play on the same line.

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I agree that you cannot break up the AMP line due to their chemistry, but you also can't break up Kariya-Selanne. When they were together they both argueably played the best hockey of their career. They were one of the best duos in recent memory and if they can rekindle that magic with the AMP line clicking, then watch out. Also Karyia-Selanne both took paycuts so they could play together and I think the Avs should repay the favor and let them play on the same line.
i think they already had their shot earlier in the season to show some of that magic but i guess giving them a little more could certainly be huge for them. as well, even if kariya and selanne signed with the avs under the impression they were gonna play together (which would be done on the PP if I had my choice), their ambitions can't necessarily dictate what could be best for the team. certainly, if they came to colorado ultimately to win the cup, i think they would accept my move.

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i think they already had their shot earlier in the season to show some of that magic but i guess giving them a little more could certainly be huge for them.


They played five games together until Kariya was injured.

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They played five games together until Kariya was injured.
they had the pre-season and early part of the season to re-develop their chemistry. over a span of a month, they've had like 8 games together. i suppose that may not be long enough but i would think they would have had better chemistry towards the end of october, in fact, i think kariya now better feeds off sakic's play and despite the fact they don't have as a strong a history of playing together. maybe that could be the problem too! sakic could be interfering with kariya and selanne's chemistry. or selanne possibly isn't as talented as he was in anaheim. maybe both players forgot the little plays they used to do together so successfully and they just may need more time to gel. i have no clue what could be the problem as i haven't watched the avs that closely. i hope someone can chime in to provide some feedback.

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Well, both Kariya and Sakic are out...Steve Moore is centering Konowalchuk and Selanne.

1-0 Wild after the first.

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they had the pre-season and early part of the season to re-develop their chemistry. over a span of a month, they've had like 8 games together. i suppose that may not be long enough but i would think they would have had better chemistry towards the end of october, in fact, i think kariya now better feeds off sakic's play and despite the fact they don't have as a strong a history of playing together. maybe that could be the problem too! sakic could be interfering with kariya and selanne's chemistry. or selanne possibly isn't as talented as he was in anaheim. maybe both players forgot the little plays they used to do together so successfully and they just may need more time to gel. i have no clue what could be the problem as i haven't watched the avs that closely. i hope someone can chime in to provide some feedback.

I never thought they had a problem in the games they played. They played well together in those few games before Kariyas injury. Of course they should play together when all are healthy...that line will dominate.

Nobody should expect each of these all star forwards to put up huge numbers this season. The PP time they all see now, is reduced from previous years because there are two lines that can do it. What they need to work with is to get all guys healthy, then letting them play in their lines and get more used to steady linemates. Their goal is the Stanley cup, and they still have 40 games to come up with chemistry on all 4 lines.

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they had the pre-season and early part of the season to re-develop their chemistry. over a span of a month, they've had like 8 games together. i suppose that may not be long enough but i would think they would have had better chemistry towards the end of october, in fact, i think kariya now better feeds off sakic's play and despite the fact they don't have as a strong a history of playing together. maybe that could be the problem too! sakic could be interfering with kariya and selanne's chemistry. or selanne possibly isn't as talented as he was in anaheim. maybe both players forgot the little plays they used to do together so successfully and they just may need more time to gel. i have no clue what could be the problem as i haven't watched the avs that closely. i hope someone can chime in to provide some feedback.

I don't think their chemistry is interfered with at all. Preseason means NOTHING when it comes to stats and production. In preseason not all the stars players are playing, many fourth liners are getting tons of minutes, and a lot of non-NHLers are playing. Up until when Kariya got injured in his 5th game he had 3 goals and 2 assists in four games and Selanne has 1 goal and 3 assists in four games, not bad numbers at all (I'm not including the fifth game because of the injury). That is over a point per game for Kariya and a point per game for Selanne and that is only 4 games in, just wait until they get into a consistent amount of games!

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