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07-24-2007, 07:19 AM
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Isn't today the day Avery and the Rangers

meet before an arbiter?

Any thoughts on what Avery may get awarded?

He's not done enough to compare himself to Tucker.

I think his best comparable player is Mike Fisher. Both are agitating players that play a solid and well rounded game.

Problem for Avery is that Mike Fisher is making just 1.5 million.

Any thoughts on who else he could be compared to and does anyone think that this process is going to leave a real bad taste in his mouth?

He seems like a fellow that wears his emotions on his sleeve and we all know how this process works. Things could be said that may make the relationship ireconcilable (sp?).

Thoughts?

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meet before an arbiter?

Any thoughts on what Avery may get awarded?

He's not done enough to compare himself to Tucker.

I think his best comparable player is Mike Fisher. Both are agitating players that play a solid and well rounded game.

Problem for Avery is that Mike Fisher is making just 1.5 million.

Any thoughts on who else he could be compared to and does anyone think that this process is going to leave a real bad taste in his mouth?

He seems like a fellow that wears his emotions on his sleeve and we all know how this process works. Things could be said that may make the relationship ireconcilable (sp?).

Thoughts?
I think Mike Fisher is a good comparison but Avery is Fisher with more sand paper effect.

The way the league is playing now, there arent many comparibles. These guys have a chance to creata good niche. Tucker would be a comparible but Avery isnt on his scoring level yet. Chris Neill, another Sen is another comparible and he isnt making huge bucks but has slightly less offensse than Avery.

Avery should get 1.5-1.8. Anymore and at this point of his career he's overpaid. If he pots 2 20 goal seasons or more then he can command 2.5-3.... as he will have built himself a resume/ consistent few years.

Especially now that Cullen is gone however, we MUST keep him....he is vital to our success.

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Avery's arbitration is July 30.

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I could see him getting $2 mill, but over that is too much I think.

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I think he'll be over $2million also. Can't see him signing for less.

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???

Yeah its the 30th. Unless you know about a pre-arbitration meeting we don't know about.

Anyway i'm figuring hes going to get around 2 million.

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The parties may offer evidence of the following:

(A) the overall performance, including official statistics
prepared by the League (both offensive and defensive), of
the Player in the previous season or seasons;

(B) the number of games played by the Player, his injuries or
illnesses during the preceding seasons;

(C) the length of service of the Player in the League and/or
with the Club;

(D) the overall contribution of the Player to the competitive
success or failure of his Club in the preceding season;

(E) any special qualities of leadership or public appeal not
inconsistent with the fulfillment of his responsibilities as a
playing member of his team;

(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons
of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the
party Player whose salary is in dispute; and

(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be
comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in
applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary
Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable
to the party Player unless a party to the arbitration has
contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the
Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or
performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the arbitration
has contended that the Player(s) is comparable.
And that is what hes going to be judged on. I think D+E hold a little more water for a player like Avery which is why he'll get a little more than you would think he deserves. Especially if they make a case for his impact last season.

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Last season Mike York was awarded $2.85M after a 52 point season. Avery possesses more intangibles than does York, so I could easily see Avery getting in the ballpark of $2.5-2.75M.

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Last season Mike York was awarded $2.85M after a 52 point season. Avery possesses more intangibles than does York, so I could easily see Avery getting in the ballpark of $2.5-2.75M.
Without a doubt. Wouldn't be surprised.

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Fisher > Avery

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Fisher > Avery
Avery: 18G, 30A, 48P
Fisher: 22G, 26A, 48P

They're both 27. Avery is more of an agitator, Fisher is more well-versed in the defensive aspects (not saying Avery isn't). Overall, they are damn comparable players. Care to elaborate?

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Avery's arbitration is July 30.
can someboady please explain to me what an arbitration is

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I think he'll be over $2million also. Can't see him signing for less.
What do you mean by that? He's a RFA, so he doesn't have a choice regarding what he signs for. The arbitrator decides the number and that's his contract for the next year. Or are you saying he simply won't play hockey next year if he is awarded say 1.8 mil?

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Fisher > Avery
What makes you say this? it took Fisher 6 years to get his 1st 20 goal season (22) which he repeated this year, on avery very good Ottawa team.

Avery didnt even play a full season in the NHL until 03/04 when he played 76 games for LA. Avery is equal to Fisher in terms of offensive talent as he has never had a chance offensively on a good side until this past year and he brings much more intimidation/annoyance and intangibles to the tabel than Fisher.

I like Fisher, but if his temperament can be controlled (and Renney has shown he can) then Avery has the better package.

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can someboady please explain to me what an arbitration is
it's basically a judge that decides what is fair and market value for a player.

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it's basically a judge that decides what is fair and market value for a player.
then does the player stay with the team or do they leave to another? Why dont they just resign avery?

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This sucks. If Glen allows this to go to an arbitrator it is his first blunder of the summer. It makes Sean a UFA at the end of the year and he will be much more difficult to lock up long term.

Here's hoping they come to something soon.

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then does the player stay with the team or do they leave to another? Why dont they just resign avery?
The arbitrator hears arguments from both sides- player and team- about what they feel the player ought to be paid. The arbitrator then issues an award based off of what he feels the player to be worth after hearing the arguments and seeing other arbitration awards. The team then has the choice to accept the player's awarded value, or decline it making the player an unrestricted free agent.

So if the arbitrator awards Avery 2.6 million dollars in arbitration, the Rangers can either accept that award and have Avery signed for the upcoming season at 2.6 million, or allow him to become an unrestricted free agent and lose negotiating rights with him.

In this case, Avery took the team to arbitration, likely meaning he wasn't satisfied with what the Rangers were offering and thinks that he can earn more this upcoming season through arbitration.

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This sucks. If Glen allows this to go to an arbitrator it is his first blunder of the summer. It makes Sean a UFA at the end of the year and he will be much more difficult to lock up long term.

Here's hoping they come to something soon.
Well, Sather may very well have offered him a fair contract and Avery wants more. There's only so much a GM can do, unless you want him to overpay.

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The arbitrator hears arguments from both sides- player and team- about what they feel the player ought to be paid. The arbitrator then issues an award based off of what he feels the player to be worth after hearing the arguments and seeing other arbitration awards. The team then has the choice to accept the player's awarded value, or decline it making the player an unrestricted free agent.

So if the arbitrator awards Avery 2.6 million dollars in arbitration, the Rangers can either accept that award and have Avery signed for the upcoming season at 2.6 million, or allow him to become an unrestricted free agent and lose negotiating rights with him.

In this case, Avery took the team to arbitration, likely meaning he wasn't satisfied with what the Rangers were offering and thinks that he can earn more this upcoming season through arbitration.
That pretty much sums it up.

Avery and his agent thought they weren't getting fair market value thus deciding it through an independent third-party arbititrator.

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Well, Sather may very well have offered him a fair contract and Avery wants more. There's only so much a GM can do, unless you want him to overpay.
This si true. I would just love to know how hard he is working on this, considering he is on a fishing trip.

For all we know they have a meeting set for tomorrow. I'm just concerned about losing him long term.

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They do have phones these days, ya know

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I will say between 2.5 and 3M

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I will say between 2.5 and 3M
3m is too much at this point of Avery's career. He needs to appreciate the set up he has here and is in a place where his career (and his girlfriend's!!!) can really take off!!! 2million a year for 3 years and he can have the big pay day once he's earnt it!

I love the guy but he shouldnt get greedy.

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The arbitrator hears arguments from both sides- player and team- about what they feel the player ought to be paid. The arbitrator then issues an award based off of what he feels the player to be worth after hearing the arguments and seeing other arbitration awards. The team then has the choice to accept the player's awarded value, or decline it making the player an unrestricted free agent.

So if the arbitrator awards Avery 2.6 million dollars in arbitration, the Rangers can either accept that award and have Avery signed for the upcoming season at 2.6 million, or allow him to become an unrestricted free agent and lose negotiating rights with him.

In this case, Avery took the team to arbitration, likely meaning he wasn't satisfied with what the Rangers were offering and thinks that he can earn more this upcoming season through arbitration.

oh, ok. thanks!

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3m is too much at this point of Avery's career. He needs to appreciate the set up he has here and is in a place where his career (and his girlfriend's!!!) can really take off!!! 2million a year for 3 years and he can have the big pay day once he's earnt it!

I love the guy but he shouldnt get greedy.
No one is getting greedy, and it's silly to ask players to "appreciate what they have" and wait a few years for a big payday. The guys want money now, there's no telling what could happen to them in the future that could limit their next contract.

What if your boss said to you something like this: "We'll give you sixty thousand dollars a year for three years, and if we like what you do for us we'll give you a nice raise in a few years. The building we work in is nice, so you ought to feel lucky to work here." You take the deal, don't live up to the lofty expectations, and never get your raise. There's no COLA clause in your contract, so you end up losing money as the economy inflates. It's no good. You take everything you can get as soon as you can get it.

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