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07-28-2007, 11:05 PM
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don't engrave the cup just yet

after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise
i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
Top 3 in the entire league. So yea, we don't have to worry about that.

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3 strong goalies is a bad thing?

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this thread is stupid because how many of us do you think actually have access to the Stanley Cup, let alone know how to engrave it?

and really, I don't think that backup goaltending is going to make or break the cup run.

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
dont you worry buddy, no body here is ready to engrave the cup yet....thanks for your concerns though

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I think that Lundqvist is as good or even better than Richter was at any point in his career.

Richter was a great goaltender and one of my favorite players of all-time, but I truly believe that Henrik is at least just as good.

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I think that Lundqvist is as good or even better than Richter was at any point in his career.

Richter was a great goaltender and one of my favorite players of all-time, but I truly believe that Henrik is at least just as good.
I totally agree.

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Having watched Richter and Lundqvist I'd truthfully say I feel Henrik is just as good if not better.

Richter had real competition, which helped his game progress and truthfully 1994 was Mikes magical year.

Is this Henriks magical year?

wait and see

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

Aside from missing that one standout veteren Elite D man ....ala Leetch

The Rangers are strong throughout the organization with the exception of some goaltending down the line.

Maybe Staal can turn into that D man, but most fans agree it would be great if they could land an experienced impact player on the Blueline.

Many things must go right for any team to win the cup. The first step is the front office assembling a roster that has winning elements

Elite talent, leadership, experienced role players, hungry youth, goaltending

The Rangers have these elements, as do several other teams. NYR should be a very competitive team next season


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God, Henrik is the last problem on this team right now. What team have you been watching. If we had that same team and Henrik in net I think we would have won the cup irregardless

Also, I like how other teams fans are writing off Gomez and Drury before they were even given a chance to play here.

And where did you get this idea that Lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type goalie. That's quite possibly the biggest overstatement I've ever heard considering he hasn't proved anything yet. Even if it was Montoya you were talking about

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
First things first, when was the last time that a backup goalie led a team to the Stanley Cup? If your #1 goes down, you're ****ed. It doesn't matter what team you are or who your backup is.

Secondly, your post just doesn't make sense. If Montoya is strong in camp and Lafleur is a "Luongo/Roy type", exactly what do we have to worry about? And what team can roll out five players, including a goalie, that are as good as the ones you mentioned before questioning the Rangers depth?

The Rangers have holes, just like every other team, but you have addressed exactly none of them. I don't really understand what you are trying to say.

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Having watched Richter and Lundqvist I'd truthfully say I feel Henrik is just as good if not better.

Richter had real competition, which helped his game progress and truthfully 1994 was Mikes magical year.

Is this Henriks magical year?

wait and see
Not to mention Richter got real lucky with that post late in game 7..
If it comes down to a 1 goal differential will Henrik have the skill and the luck? wait and see..

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First things first, when was the last time that a backup goalie led a team to the Stanley Cup?
Cam Ward did it 2 seasons ago.

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
They're deeper than they were last season.

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise
about 3rd in the entire NHL...

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i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994
Henrik was a finalist for the Vezina in each of his first 2 years in the NHL. After New Years he led the NHL, or was 2nd in the NHL in GAA, SV% Shutouts, and every other category you can think of. seriously, have you watched Henrik? as far as backups go, i dont know if it matters, if Henrik goes down for a long period of time, weve still got Montoya.
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also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior
Montoya could shutout the league in the preseason, he still isnt making this club. there just isnt enough money under the cap, nor does it make any kind of sense to sit a young, excellent goalie on the bench for 65 games.
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people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
nobody forgets how good mike was. we all witnessed his greatness. theres a reason his number is hanging from the rafters, but as jon said a little earlier, henrik, right now, is already better than richter. hes as athletic, and he actually handles rebounds extremely well (unlike mike) and he doesnt seem prone to the long shot goal (unless were talking McCabe or Souray, which nobody has an easy time stopping)

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94
I have certainly enjoyed all the Ranger fan hubrus this offseason, which has been off the charts with polls predicting a Stanley Cup victory and even a thread entitled "The Night the Rangers win the Cup. What do you do?", as the Universe tends to laugh in the face of such things... (And makes the ultimate disappointment that much sweeter for the fans of your rivals.)

So, seeing the title of this thread, I was hoping it would bring that "begging for a giant rub in" factor more to light...and actually explore the ongoing issue of overconfidence. But sadly, no. NO fun here for rival fans OR the Ranger faithful... As the above is just silliness.

The problem is the lack of a strong back-up goalie? Really? No, I mean, REALLY?

Lundqvist isn't Mike Richter, sure, but the Rangers wouldn't even be in the Stanley Cup conversation without Lundy as your goalie... He is an elite goaltender and by extension allows the Rangers to be considered among the elite teams. He isn't the problem, he is the solution.

And the depth and quality of the prospect pool is virtually irrelevent to this year's Cup discussion, as very few of said prospects will ever touch the NHL line-up this season, and those that do will likely not see major minutes. Add to that the fact that the Rangers have one of the deepest pools of young and upcoming talent, and it is doublely pointless.

If I were a Ranger fan I'd worry much more about the quality and consistency of the defensive corps, the future chemistry of Jagr with a new centerman, the ability of these new star players to gel into a real team concept, the ability of this new unit to respond to adversity or injury, overall team toughness and heart -- all of the real X factors that one should consider before you "engrave the cup just yet."

The goaltending and the prospects are not the potential problem, at all.

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If I were a Ranger fan I'd worry much more about the quality and consistency of the defensive corps, the future chemistry of Jagr with a new centerman, the ability of these new star players to gel into a real team concept, the ability of this new unit to respond to adversity or injury, overall team toughness and heart -- all of the real X factors that one should consider before you "engrave the cup just yet.".
Who engraved the Cup?

The Rangers chemistry is the play of Jagr and Lundqvist.When the team was floundering for most of the year,it was the losses of the Dominic Moore,Steve Rucchin and Martin Rucinsky which were the reasons why the Rangers weren't having the season expected of them

Somehow when Jagr's shoulder got healthy and Henrik found his game,the Rangers took off

You should worry about the Devils.You should have plenty to worry about over there

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I saw all of Richter's career starting with the 1988 Olympics.Lundqvist is a better goaltender in his first two years than Richter was.Other circumstances contributed to Richter's struggles such as nagging groin injuries and sharing time with VBK.At the same age of 23-25,Lundqvist is a better goalie than Richter who backstopped the Rangers to the Cup at the age of 27-28.The previous season before the Cup year,everyone wanted the Rangers dump Ricky and keep VBK

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Who engraved the Cup?

The Cup engravers?

The Rangers chemistry is the play of Jagr and Lundqvist.

That would be the keys to victory, for certain, but chemistry is an entire team thing. Jags and Lundy have very little on ice "chemistry" as one is a forward and one is a goalie, so they are not playing off each other as would linemates or defensive pairings or whatever. Of course you know this...

When the team was floundering for most of the year,it was the losses of the Dominic Moore,Steve Rucchin and Martin Rucinsky which were the reasons why the Rangers weren't having the season expected of them

Yes, dealing with adversity and injury, as I had mentioned.

Somehow when Jagr's shoulder got healthy and Henrik found his game,the Rangers took off

You should worry about the Devils.You should have plenty to worry about over there

Not worried, just excited. I think our Devils team got deeper, bigger, tougher, meaner and less fancy-pantsed and smurf-like with the additions and subtractions this off season. And I cannot wait for the first home game at the new digs, and am off the scale pumped for the first Devs v. Rags game at The Rock. Should be an electric and crazy atmosphere. Cannot wait for hockey to start...

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after gomez, drury , jagr, shanny, henrik

how strong are the rangers depth and prospect wise

i believe the rangers need a strong back up and as good as henrik is he ' not even close to being as good as richter was during 1993-1994

also look for montoya to be strong in camp and lafleur is projected as a loungo/roy type so if that's true henrik may not be the savior

people forget how good richter was especially people who were under 10yrs in 94

i dont want to bash richter but lundy in his first two seasons as a ranger and in the league compared to rickys first two i would say ricky got smoked.

and i will even go as far as saying when its all said and done with barring injury or disaster henrik will blow anything ricky has done away when his career is over.

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and really, I don't think that backup goaltending is going to make or break the cup run.
Roloson going down 2 seasons ago broke the Oilers' cup run.

IE: Game 1 being replaced by Conklin who single-handedly blew the game for the Oilers.

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I think that Lundqvist is as good or even better than Richter was at any point in his career.

Richter was a great goaltender and one of my favorite players of all-time, but I truly believe that Henrik is at least just as good.
win more then one playoff series and a cup before you even conider saying that. Hank is great but Ritcher was a God. Please man comments like that are what make people hate Rangers fans like the Yankee fans. It is not the flavor of the month club here.

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Lundqvist is better than Richter. I get frustrated when I read so many people writing about Lundy being this and that....come on he's top 5 material....we should worry more about depth on this team!!...and DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cam Ward did it 2 seasons ago.
That is true, but in the end was he really Carolina's backup? That was more a matter of it just taking a bit longer for them to realize that Ward was actually the #1.

Weird argument to get into, but I think you know what I mean and agree that having a solid backup is not a key to the SC.

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I think that Lundqvist is as good or even better than Richter was at any point in his career.

Richter was a great goaltender and one of my favorite players of all-time, but I truly believe that Henrik is at least just as good.
I agree, 93 though 98 where Richter's peak years, sadly, he was only in the P/O's 4 out of those 6 years.

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