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07-31-2007, 12:00 AM
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How much money with Jussi Jokinen get?

Similar Players in Terms of Production to Jussi Jokinen

Scott Hartnell, age 25, gets a cap hit of $4.2 million over 6 years from Philidelphia.
06-07 --> Points: 39 (22G-17A) (played only 64 games)
05-06 --> Points: 48 (25G-23A)

Ales Hemsky, at age 22 in summer of 2006, gets a cap hit of $4.1 million over 6 years to re-sign with Edmonton. He has a breakout year before signing.
06-07 --> Points: 53 (13G-40A)
05-06 --> Points: 77 (19G-58A)

Ladislav Nagy, age 28, signs a one year deal with the LA Kings for $3.75 million.
06-07 --> Points: 55 (12G-43A)

Tyler Arnason, age 28, gets a cap hit of $1.675 million over two years to re-sign with Colorado.
06-07 --> Points: 49 (16G-33A)

I think that the contracts Lee Stempniak and Mikko Koivu signed will be the biggest influence on Jussi's contract.

Mikko Koivu, age 24, gets a cap hit of $3.25 million over 4 years to re-sign with Minnesota. Mikko co-lead the league in shootout goals in 06-07 with 8 goals in 15 attempts.
06-07 --> Points: 54 (20G-34A)
05-06 --> Points: 21 (6G-15A) (played only 64 games)

Lee Stempniak, age 24, gets a cap hit of $2.5 million over 3 years to re-sign with St. Louis.
06-07 --> Points: 52 (27G-25A)
05-06 --> Points: 27 (14G-13A)

Jussi Jokinen's Resume
06-07 --> Points: 48 (14G-34A) (Plays in all 82 games and scores 5 shootout goals in 12 attempts.)
05-06 --> Points: 55 (17G-38A) (Plays in 81 games and leads the league with 10 shootout goals in 13 attempts.)

My best guess is that Jussi shows the Stars the money Hartnell and Koivu are getting while the Stars try and get him signed to a contact like Stempniakís. I think that he signs a 3 to 4 year contract for $3.3 million (the average of Hartnell/Koivu/Stempniak).

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have the Stars offered more than his QO yet ?
I guess they'll try to force him to sign a very cheap one-year contract with a hefty raise next year

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3 years, 10.5 mil

That's my guess.

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I doubt he's going to get anymore then what Higgins signed for. About $1.6 million?
Most likely less then that. I still think it's going to be $1.3 million.

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I doubt he's going to get anymore then what Higgins signed for. About $1.6 million?
Most likely less then that. I still think it's going to be $1.3 million.
Higgins has a career high of 38 points. Jokinen has a high of 55 and both have played 2 full seasons. I'm going with 2 years, 4,2 million

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Jokinen has a high of 55 and both have played 2 full seasons. I'm going with 2 years, 4,2 million

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4,2 total (not per season), with a cap hit of 2,1 million a year.. Not that unreasonable with everything that has gone down this summer imo.

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Here's an article from this mornings Sun Sentinel on Florida Panther Center Stephen Weiss:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/h...,5477917.story

Stephen Weiss (Age 24) 06-07 --> Points: 48 (20G-28A)

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It's believed Weiss is seeking at least $3.25 million a season, which 24-year-old center Miiko Koivu, who had 20 goals and 54 points last season, received last month in signing a four-year extension with the Wild.
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The Panthers probably see Weiss comparable to another 24-year-old center, Lee Stempniak, who re-signed with the Blues for $2.5 million a season last week after 52 points (27 goals) last season.
Jussi Jokinen has an abundance of players to point to with big contracts. If Weiss signs for the same money as Stempniak or Koivu, it only makes it seem likeier that Jokinen gets a hefty contract. Let's hope Edmonton isn't one of the three teams considering sending an offer sheet to Weiss in Florida.

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I completely overlooked Dustin Penner(age 24).

06-07 --> Points: 45 (29G-16A)

He has signed for a cap hit of $4.25 million for five years.

When you look at Hartnell, Koivu, Stempniak, Weiss, and Penner, none of these guys have had two consistent seasons like Jussi. If his contract is less than $2.5 million per year, it's because he is taking less as a favor to the Stars.

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I doubt he's going to get anymore then what Higgins signed for. About $1.6 million?
Most likely less then that. I still think it's going to be $1.3 million.
I believe he will sign a 3 year deal worth 1.5 per season.

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I believe he will sign a 3 year deal worth 1.5 per season.
No way he signs for 1,5 per season for longer than 1 year.

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he's not really woth more than 2. It would be a different case if he'd be an UFA, but no way he should get more than 2.

~1 for one year and maybe more next summer, i still hold on that
But maybe Army's waiting for a team throwing an offer sheet at him

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he's not really woth more than 2. It would be a different case if he'd be an UFA, but no way he should get more than 2.
Hartnell, Koivu, and Stempniak were RFA, like Jokinen, and got inflated contracts. UFA's aren't the only players getting overpriced contracts. I think it all comes down to whether the player wants to go with market value, Hartnell/Koivu/Stempniak, or whether they are going to give their team a discount. This is Dallas' first try at signing Jokinen to something other than an ELC, so there is no telling how Jokinen or the Stars are going to approach this contract. I've just been bored at of my mind and noticed quite a few similar players to Jokinen with big contracts.

I think the recent signing of Zach Praise by New Jersey is a good example of a player leaving some money on the table. He put up better numbers and is younger than Hartnell and Koivu, but he took $12.5 million over 4 years, $3.125 million cap hit. This guy is a year younger than Jokinen and has posted a 30 goal season. Both have been in the league two years where Jokinen put up 105 points (31G-72A) and Praise put up 94 points (45G-49A). Praise has the advantage of having a much better season though, 62 points (31G-31A). Iím just trying to point out that we shouldnít be shocked if Jokinen endís up eating up quite a bit of the remaining cap space.

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Hartnell, Koivu, and Stempniak were RFA, like Jokinen, and got inflated contracts. UFA's aren't the only players getting overpriced contracts.
No, neither Koviu or Hartnell were RFAs
Koivu signed his extension in February 2006 and was scheduled to be an UFA in July 2006. Hartnell was only a few days away from UFA too.

Yes, Stempniak was a RFA but after one and a half NHL seasons he already showed he's a potentiel 30 goals scorer on a bad NHL team.
For the future...if Jokinen has a good season and we've some luck, Jokinen maybe scores half the goals Stempniak does per season...

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No, neither Koviu or Hartnell were RFAs
Koivu signed his extension in February 2006 and was scheduled to be an UFA in July 2006. Hartnell was only a few days away from UFA too.

Yes, Stempniak was a RFA but after one and a half NHL seasons he already showed he's a potentiel 30 goals scorer on a bad NHL team.
For the future...if Jokinen has a good season and we've some luck, Jokinen maybe scores half the goals Stempniak does per season...
Yeah, but Jokinen is a MUCH better playmaker than Stempniak. Jokinen will probably max out at 20-25 goals (around 20 should be a "normal" season) and 60-70 points, and I seriously doubt Stempniak will top that point total during his career. I think a Stempniak-like contract is fair value for Jokinen (same age and similiar point production) also. I also think the fact that he excels in shoot-out's should affect the situation a bit, since shoot-out wins do earn you points. I agree that 3 million/season is too much for Jokinen, but if you think 1 million is appropriate you are seriously undervalueing JJ.

BTW Has Jokinen filed for arbitration?

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BTW Has Jokinen filed for arbitration?
nope

and yes, i'd agree 1 million would be too less long-term. But i also want to have him signed for only 1 year, and maybe long-term next summer

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No, neither Koivu or Hartnell were RFAs
Koivu signed his extension in February 2006 and was scheduled to be an UFA in July 2006. Hartnell was only a few days away from UFA too.
You're confusing Saku and Mikko. Mikko's the one who re-signed as an RFA with the Wild that's being used as a comparable.

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Yeah, but Jokinen is a MUCH better playmaker than Stempniak. Jokinen will probably max out at 20-25 goals (around 20 should be a "normal" season) and 60-70 points, and I seriously doubt Stempniak will top that point total during his career. I think a Stempniak-like contract is fair value for Jokinen (same age and similiar point production) also. I also think the fact that he excels in shoot-out's should affect the situation a bit, since shoot-out wins do earn you points.
TK79, you clearly have not an idea of Stemper's potential if you merely look at his stats and declare he's maxed out. The rookie year on a weak team and then last season 27 goals, mainly on the third line. I (along with many other Blues fans) see no reason why Lee wouldn't evolve into a legitimate 30+ scorer. His 3-year contract also reflects this (and the trust by the Blues management): 1.5M-2.5M-3.5M (first UFA year).

For Jokinen, expect Avery-ish numbers.

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No, neither Koviu or Hartnell were RFAs
Koivu signed his extension in February 2006 and was scheduled to be an UFA in July 2006. Hartnell was only a few days away from UFA too
I thought that players under the age of 27 were RFA this year. I didn't realize that there was a stipulation that a player with seven accumulated seasons is also an UFA. However, in Koivu's case, he signed on 6/30/07 and it was not an extension. His contract was ending after signing a one year deal in July of 2006, meaning that he would still be a RFA because he was under 27 years of age and had not been in the league for 7 seasons.

http://www.startribune.com/1330/story/1278583.html

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Koivu, a restricted free agent, will earn $2.7 million next season, then $3.3 million in 2008-09 and 2009-10 and $3.7 million in 2010-11 for a salary cap hit of $3.25 million.

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Sorry about the confusion. I should have remembered to point out that it was Mikko.

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TK79, you clearly have not an idea of Stemper's potential if you merely look at his stats and declare he's maxed out. The rookie year on a weak team and then last season 27 goals, mainly on the third line. I (along with many other Blues fans) see no reason why Lee wouldn't evolve into a legitimate 30+ scorer. His 3-year contract also reflects this (and the trust by the Blues management): 1.5M-2.5M-3.5M (first UFA year).

For Jokinen, expect Avery-ish numbers.[/QUOTE]

Not what I wrote. I wrote they will be similar in point production, not goal scoring. If both score 60 pts I would expect JJ to be a 20+40 guy and Stepniak a 35+25 type of guy.

btw the Avery/JJ production comparison is pretty bad.. Avery will probably not top 45 pts again..

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