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08-03-2007, 05:49 PM
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But we've all seen how great some of them are at predicting their new players' performance. What with Joffrey "40 goal" Lupul playing for the Edmonton "300 goals" Oilers.
Yep that was hilarious, the Canadian hockey fans who know so much more than the "26" or so Duck fans were so wrong. They forgot that some of their players such as Horcoff had played way over his talent level 2 years ago and last season he came back to reality.

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Neither is Penner
Ah, but Penner IS an answer for the Oil - they need grit, and a big crease presence to replace Smyth. He sure looks happy and relaxed in interviews - at least someone is!!!
Maybe Bertuzzi has some of that left in him too, but he can't do what Neids and Teemu do...
Burkie's got some work to do to keep hope for a repeat alive. This is the first time I can remember him not being the master of a deal, going back to the Vancouver days.

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Which is ironic because Lowe has been fleeced by the Ducks 3 straight times in 3 different ways in a non-trade, a trade and a RFA signing.
Do you really believe Burke didn't want Penner - he loves (loved) the guy - he's a prototypical Burke player - big, smart, rugged, a bit nasty (see Bertuzzi, Todd and Pronger, Chris)! The Ducks are built to win now - how are 3 draft picks next year going to help that? No one got fleeced here, the Ducks just ran out of money.
Can't wait for the Edm-Ana games next year - do you think the Honda crowd will boo Dustin? Hope so

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08-03-2007, 07:16 PM
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You know, you're really reading Penner wrong. He keeps being referred to by his new fans as a tough player, and he's not. You said he had grit, and that he's a bit nasty - he's neither. He's tough in the sense that he's not afraid, he goes to the dirty areas, but he doesn't make them any dirtier. He just takes lots of abuse and does what he does. There's no bite to him. He's as gentle as can be.

We all liked Penner, and the newbies in Edmonton get all up in arms when we try to correct their misconcenptions. Penner wasn't a prime, impact player here - he was developing. He wasn't given big minutes, or important minutes. He was taught a lot of object lessons by the coaching staff. You can't just look at 6'4 and 29 goals and assume you're getting a power forward who will be an impact player for you. He was our #6 or 7 forward, because he's so raw, and so inconsistent.

You hate to lose him because of what he might turn into yet, but it's not sour grrapes to say he's not what you think he is. He isn't anything yet.

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08-03-2007, 07:17 PM
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Do you really believe Burke didn't want Penner - he loves (loved) the guy - he's a prototypical Burke player - big, smart, rugged, a bit nasty (see Bertuzzi, Todd and Pronger, Chris)! The Ducks are built to win now - how are 3 draft picks next year going to help that? No one got fleeced here, the Ducks just ran out of money.
Can't wait for the Edm-Ana games next year - do you think the Honda crowd will boo Dustin? Hope so
Burke could've signed him and dumped money elsewhere. Like he said, he'd be an even bigger idiot than Lowe had he matched at 4.3 million.

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You know, you're really reading Penner wrong. He keeps being referred to by his new fans as a tough player, and he's not. You said he had grit, and that he's a bit nasty - he's neither. He's tough in the sense that he's not afraid, he goes to the dirty areas, but he doesn't make them any dirtier. He just takes lots of abuse and does what he does. There's no bite to him. He's as gentle as can be.

We all liked Penner, and the newbies in Edmonton get all up in arms when we try to correct their misconcenptions. Penner wasn't a prime, impact player here - he was developing. He wasn't given big minutes, or important minutes. He was taught a lot of object lessons by the coaching staff. You can't just look at 6'4 and 29 goals and assume you're getting a power forward who will be an impact player for you. He was our #6 or 7 forward, because he's so raw, and so inconsistent.

You hate to lose him because of what he might turn into yet, but it's not sour grrapes to say he's not what you think he is. He isn't anything yet.
Perfectly said.

Penner is so nasty that the only two times he dropped the gloves were because the other player came and practically attacked him.

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08-03-2007, 07:30 PM
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Do you really believe Burke didn't want Penner - he loves (loved) the guy - he's a prototypical Burke player - big, smart, rugged, a bit nasty (see Bertuzzi, Todd and Pronger, Chris)! The Ducks are built to win now - how are 3 draft picks next year going to help that? No one got fleeced here, the Ducks just ran out of money.
Can't wait for the Edm-Ana games next year - do you think the Honda crowd will boo Dustin? Hope so
Calling Penner nasty shows that you know zip about the player. A nice passer sure, a fair skater once he gets going yep - but nasty? Not in the least.

I guess the 1 million Soiler fans don't know as much about hockey as us 26 Duck fans do - but heh if its any consolation you still have the NHL's loudest building!! Woo Hoo!!

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08-03-2007, 07:42 PM
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You know, you're really reading Penner wrong. He keeps being referred to by his new fans as a tough player, and he's not. You said he had grit, and that he's a bit nasty - he's neither. He's tough in the sense that he's not afraid, he goes to the dirty areas, but he doesn't make them any dirtier. He just takes lots of abuse and does what he does. There's no bite to him. He's as gentle as can be.

We all liked Penner, and the newbies in Edmonton get all up in arms when we try to correct their misconcenptions. Penner wasn't a prime, impact player here - he was developing. He wasn't given big minutes, or important minutes. He was taught a lot of object lessons by the coaching staff. You can't just look at 6'4 and 29 goals and assume you're getting a power forward who will be an impact player for you. He was our #6 or 7 forward, because he's so raw, and so inconsistent.

You hate to lose him because of what he might turn into yet, but it's not sour grrapes to say he's not what you think he is. He isn't anything yet.
Y'know you really should retype this in big, bold letters on the Oilers board in a new thread so maybe the uninformed will figure out what Penner is. Or was there this mysterious, huge, gritty, goal-scoring force our team apparently had that I've been missing all year?

We keep telling them what Penner is and someone new keeps coming on and talking about how he's a nasty powerforward, or a pure goalscorer, or some tough guy, or a PP screener. Or how Lupul was this gritty one-shot scorer who was going to be decent in his own end and wasn't going to be inconsistent or invisible. It's like trying to stop this flood of lemmings or something. Hockey lemmings jumping headfirst into the sea of last place and ignorance.

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Y'know you really should retype this in big, bold letters on the Oilers board in a new thread so maybe the uninformed will figure out what Penner is. Or was there this mysterious, huge, gritty, goal-scoring force our team apparently had that I've been missing all year?

We keep telling them what Penner is and someone new keeps coming on and talking about how he's a nasty powerforward, or a pure goalscorer, or some tough guy, or a PP screener. Or how Lupul was this gritty one-shot scorer who was going to be decent in his own end and wasn't going to be inconsistent or invisible. It's like trying to stop this flood of lemmings or something. Hockey lemmings jumping headfirst into the sea of last place and ignorance.
Right! I will look forward to the posts on the Oilers board when they get to see him first hand.

We used to called him "The Gentle Giant."

Less kind fans in our section could often be heard screaming, "HIT SOMEBODY PENNER!"

Gritty and nasty? LOL

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Y'know you really should retype this in big, bold letters on the Oilers board in a new thread so maybe the uninformed will figure out what Penner is. Or was there this mysterious, huge, gritty, goal-scoring force our team apparently had that I've been missing all year?

We keep telling them what Penner is and someone new keeps coming on and talking about how he's a nasty powerforward, or a pure goalscorer, or some tough guy, or a PP screener. Or how Lupul was this gritty one-shot scorer who was going to be decent in his own end and wasn't going to be inconsistent or invisible. It's like trying to stop this flood of lemmings or something. Hockey lemmings jumping headfirst into the sea of last place and ignorance.
Good insights, lads - thanks. Still looking forward to what this beast can do in an expanded role , going hip to hip and elbow to elbow with Pronger and lesser D's. Doesn't anyone there miss this guy? Harsh.

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Ah, but Penner IS an answer for the Oil - they need grit, and a big crease presence to replace Smyth. He sure looks happy and relaxed in interviews - at least someone is!!!
Maybe Bertuzzi has some of that left in him too, but he can't do what Neids and Teemu do...
Burkie's got some work to do to keep hope for a repeat alive. This is the first time I can remember him not being the master of a deal, going back to the Vancouver days.
Keep looking, Penner is not Smyth. Grit? lol

Burke burned Lowe and stole your draft picks.
Get over it, the Ducks are fine.

$4.3M X 5 years + 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks for Dustin Penner? -

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Does anyone have video of Penner turtling to Kevin Bieska?
Penner is far from tough, he's about as tough as Steve Ruchin,Eric Daze, Michael Hanzus or anyone else big that never hits, fights or roughs anyone up.

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Does anyone have video of Penner turtling to Kevin Bieska?
Penner is far from tough, he's about as tough as Steve Ruchin,Eric Daze, Michael Hanzus or anyone else big that never hits, fights or roughs anyone up.
Actually Eric Daze could be a very good comparison.

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Personally, I don't like all this talk about Penner. If he was still a Duck, we wouldn't hear all this talk about how soft or lazy he is. Let the Oiler fans believe what they want. Penner is no longer out property. Similar to Lupul last season, the fans will find out for themselves what type of player Penner is...good or bad.

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Look at the post I was responding to:


Which was in response to this


The entire conversation is talking about what place the Oilers have been finishing. There's no circles whatsoever. And I even clarified to say "17th place."

The delete part was just a suggestion so you could spare some embarrassment for a simple mistake, nothing malicious meant by it. Although it probably didn't sound very nice.
Sorry, the Oilers would have been in the lottery twice... What I meant was that they weren't in a position to get the number one pick. My mistake.

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I think your getting the lottery confused with missing the playoffs. Only the bottom 5 teams are entered in to the lottery.
I actually thought the same thing, but the bottom 5 are the only ones that can get the 1st overall pick... all 14 non-playoff teams have a chance to move up though.

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Penner is far from tough, he's about as tough as Steve Ruchin,Eric Daze, Michael Hanzus or anyone else big that never hits, fights or roughs anyone up.
Rucchin was the exact player I thought of in terms of a comparable for toughness and grit. Penner is bigger but just as soft.

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The Penner situation really makes me wonder about Burke.

First of all, he has the audicity to tell Lowe what he should be playing for his players and then he calls Lowe a desperate GM. If Burke wants to run the Oilers franchise maybe he should apply for the job... in the meantime, let Lowe run his team the way he sees fit.

What is worse, paying Bertuzzi $4 million per year for the next two years or paying Penner about $4 million a year for the next five years. Penner is younger and healthier than Big Bert. He outscored him last year and he has a Stanley Cup ring.

Personally, I am sick of Burke's constant whining and his "Brian knows what's best for everybody else" attitude.

Suck it up. You paid Bertuzzi way too much and you probably paid Schneider too much as well. Don't blame your problems on Lowe.

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This'll last long.

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Personally, I am sick of Burke's constant whining and his "Brian knows what's best for everybody else" attitude.
You prefer your own whining?

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Lowe is doing a hell of a job building a dynasty here.

Next up: tank the season so the Ducks get Stamkos.

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The Penner situation really makes me wonder about Burke.

First of all, he has the audicity to tell Lowe what he should be playing for his players and then he calls Lowe a desperate GM. If Burke wants to run the Oilers franchise maybe he should apply for the job... in the meantime, let Lowe run his team the way he sees fit.

What is worse, paying Bertuzzi $4 million per year for the next two years or paying Penner about $4 million a year for the next five years. Penner is younger and healthier than Big Bert. He outscored him last year and he has a Stanley Cup ring.

Personally, I am sick of Burke's constant whining and his "Brian knows what's best for everybody else" attitude.

Suck it up. You paid Bertuzzi way too much and you probably paid Schneider too much as well. Don't blame your problems on Lowe.
Thanks for stopping by.

The Oiler-fans are holding a Burke-*****athon contained mostly on the Trades Board. You'll find plenty of fellow whiners to whine about Burke's "whining". Over here at the Ducks board, we tend to enjoy discussions on how he built a Cup-winner, how he's doing building towards a repeat, and quoting pieces from the 2006-07 Stanley Cup Champions DVD.

See you again some time!

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Thanks for stopping by.
Over here at the Ducks board, we tend to enjoy discussions on how he built a Cup-winner, how he's doing building towards a repeat, and quoting pieces from the 2006-07 Stanley Cup Champions DVD.

See you again some time!
(laugh only if Neids and Selanne both don't come back, in which case your offense is HURTIN)

So what do you think about the best GM in hockey (as judged by 10 years of constant success), Ken Holland, disagreeing completely with Burkie's poorly thought-out, whiny view of RFA's?

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...d-3572259f5708

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I think Burke is doing fine... and he got a great deal on a nice tear collector as you can see here.

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(laugh only if Neids and Selanne both don't come back, in which case your offense is HURTIN)

So what do you think about the best GM in hockey (as judged by 10 years of constant success), Ken Holland, disagreeing completely with Burkie's poorly thought-out, whiny view of RFA's?

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...d-3572259f5708


Wow, another lemming...they pop out from everywhere, don't they?

Holland far from "completely disagreed' with Burke. Burke said he had no problem with RFA offer sheets. Holland referenced signing Datsyuk to a big deal to prevent this sort of thing. Penner isn't Datsyuk, not even close. If Burke loses Getzlaf to an RFA raid, then perhaps you have a point.

I haven't studied NHL salaries and recent signings to the extent that I can comment on who's right in whether it's the RFA's or the UFA's which will drive up salary. However, both have their points, and it certainly isn't uncommon for two experts in a field to have differing views on changing economic conditions.

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