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01-04-2004, 07:51 AM
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Weight Fined 1000 bucks

the league fined Weight $1000 for the incident with Gagne. However, the league ruled that it was a FOREARM to the head and NOT an elbow like so many anti-Weight posters on here claim.

Of course, everyone who dislikes Weight will always believe it was an elbow that knocked Gagne down, contrary to what the league saw.

good to see justice served right for a change and Weight not suspended.

If anyone wants to read it it is on stltoday.com under the Blues section of our website.

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the league fined Weight $1000 for the incident with Gagne. However, the league ruled that it was a FOREARM to the head and NOT an elbow like so many anti-Weight posters on here claim.

Of course, everyone who dislikes Weight will always believe it was an elbow that knocked Gagne down, contrary to what the league saw.

good to see justice served right for a change and Weight not suspended.

If anyone wants to read it it is on stltoday.com under the Blues section of our website.
I guess you are a Weight supporter huh?

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What a joke, but hey I'm happy he's not getting suspended

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Justice is served

I guess you have to hit someone with an elbow for it to be an intent to injure call

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the league fined Weight $1000 for the incident with Gagne. However, the league ruled that it was a FOREARM to the head and NOT an elbow like so many anti-Weight posters on here claim.

Of course, everyone who dislikes Weight will always believe it was an elbow that knocked Gagne down, contrary to what the league saw.

good to see justice served right for a change and Weight not suspended.

If anyone wants to read it it is on stltoday.com under the Blues section of our website.
What's the difference? So Lex Luger running forearm smash is better than an elbow? Whatever.

I would have prefered to see a player take revenge than the league make him pay 1000 bucks. That is just ********.

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Booo hooo 1000 grand. He uses that to wipe his mouth after eating!

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There isnt much difference between a forearm and an elbow. Chances are if you tried to smash your little brother in the mouth with an elbow, you would probably catch him with your forearm.

The fine was a token gesture. He could get fined like that every game this season, and the total would be less than 1% of his total salary.

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There isnt much difference between a forearm and an elbow. Chances are if you tried to smash your little brother in the mouth with an elbow, you would probably catch him with your forearm.
There is a huge difference between being hit by a forearm and an elbow. Especially when you factor in the elbow pads.

As for the original poster: I'm a fan of Weight's game, but thought that was a dirty play. I think he should have been ejected from the game for intent to injure. But I don't like any shots to the head like this.

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He didn't hit him with the forearm for lack of trying with the elbow.

Joke of a ruling.

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This doesn't even qualify as a "slap on the wrist", so there is no justice at all, if that is what the league implies by fining him $1000. Truly, he probably carries that much in his pockets on off-days. It means zero. Why even fine the guy, if you're not willing to go beyond $1000 in this context?

This either means the league has absolutely no balls and are afraid to enforce their own rules, or they really don't believe he deserves a fine but are appeasing the Flyers. In which case, they're wrong to fine him at all.

League management has become a complete joke.

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I guess you are a Weight supporter huh?

I am :p

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Booo hooo 1000 grand. He uses that to wipe his mouth after eating!
Ah... To be the garbage man on Weight's street.

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Ah... To be the garbage man on Weight's street.

I wish i could afford to wipe my mouthe with a dollar.

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There isnt much difference between a forearm and an elbow. Chances are if you tried to smash your little brother in the mouth with an elbow, you would probably catch him with your forearm.

The fine was a token gesture. He could get fined like that every game this season, and the total would be less than 1% of his total salary.
agreed - problem with professional sports is that the fines levied against a player have not kept up with players salaries.

$1,000 is really nothing to a salary making millions of dollars per year. The fine should be about 15,000. But, i highly doubt the players would agree to this concession even though the NHL should push this hard.

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Booo hooo 1000 grand. He uses that to wipe his mouth after eating!

I don't know captain, I think even the fabulously wealthy Doug Weight would flinch at coughing up a million large.

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the league fined Weight $1000 for the incident with Gagne. However, the league ruled that it was a FOREARM to the head and NOT an elbow like so many anti-Weight posters on here claim.

Of course, everyone who dislikes Weight will always believe it was an elbow that knocked Gagne down, contrary to what the league saw.

good to see justice served right for a change and Weight not suspended.

If anyone wants to read it it is on stltoday.com under the Blues section of our website.
Way to believe the NHL.

On another note, the NHL scientists have just proved that the sun and other planets do revolve around the Earth.

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I don't know captain, I think even the fabulously wealthy Doug Weight would flinch at coughing up a million large.

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Uh yeah, cuz you know, the League always gets the right call.

I suppose the fines are still based on the average salary, which hovers around $1.8 milllion per year. Given that Weight makes several times that, it's not even a slap on the wrist type thing.
A hit to the head is a hit to the head, no matter if you use forearm or elbow. Still, I'm rather disappointed that no one went after Weight for the hit, even right after. They might have been worried about the whole instigator thing, but this sorta sends the message to other teams that they can mess with Flyer stars and nothing will be done about it.

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The fines are based on the CBA, which states the maximum a player who has not been suspended can be fined is $1000.

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$1,000 is really nothing to a salary making millions of dollars per year. The fine should be about 15,000. But, i highly doubt the players would agree to this concession even though the NHL should push this hard.
They probably wouldn't but that's because they're a bunch of idiots who can't recognize that those fines are there to *protect them*. Simple concept, but hard to grasp apparently.

I don't feel sorry for Gagne or any player who doesn't get the justice he should deserve. Next time, Gagne and co. can ask their union representatives to push for decent fines at the next CBA.

Because, that happens to be in THEIR interest to do so.

In the meantime, let's enjoy skilled players get a field day. They are too high-profile for suspensions in borderline incidents and the fines are too low to affect them.

Yay NHLPA, way to protect your members!

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They probably wouldn't but that's because they're a bunch of idiots who can't recognize that those fines are there to *protect them*. Simple concept, but hard to grasp apparently.

I don't feel sorry for Gagne or any player who doesn't get the justice he should deserve. Next time, Gagne and co. can ask their union representatives to push for decent fines at the next CBA.

Because, that happens to be in THEIR interest to do so.

In the meantime, let's enjoy skilled players get a field day. They are too high-profile for suspensions in borderline incidents and the fines are too low to affect them.

Yay NHLPA, way to protect your members!
I think if it was a low profile player we wouldnt even be talking about this.

And there is a big difference between a forearm and an elbow. With an elbow, your shoulder can be put behind it fully and wont give like a forearm.

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I think if it was a low profile player we wouldnt even be talking about this.

And there is a big difference between a forearm and an elbow. With an elbow, your shoulder can be put behind it fully and wont give like a forearm.
The fine problem exists for just about any player except AHL-NHL permanent journeymen like this dude.

I don't really care about the particular incident. You can bet your ass however that Weight's fine WOULD have been higher had the NHL been allowed to fine appropriately.

Imagine if parking tickets, speeding ticket... heck, just about any ticket was 1 buck. That's how the players feel. They can literally do whatever they please.

The saddest thing is that coaches, who are actually earning much more reasonable salaries, are fined 25 times harder for incidents that are 10 times less significant.

But hey, whatever. Because in the end, just like we as a society would eventually suffer from ridiculously low ticket fines, so do the players on the ice sometimes.

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The NHL did have the opportunity to fine Weight more... over $100k. They didn't because the analyzed the tape and determined it wasn't a suspendable offense. Could they be wrong? Certainly. But you can bet your ass that they watched that 'elbow' from numerous different angles numerous times which is a lot more than any of our resident experts did before they concluded Weight should be suspended for multiple games.

Also, quite a few people here used the previous Weight and Tkachuk suspensions as evidence that what they did was flagrant. This time Weight didn't get suspended and now all of the sudden the suspension itself is irrelevent because the NHL doesn't do anything right. How exactly does that work?

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Just be honest here.

If Gagne gets hurt and misses game because of that hit, Weight gets a bigger fine and probably a game or two. That is just obvious and I'm shocked no one mentioned it yet. If you want to argue that point go ahead, I won't even reply since to argue against this point you'd have to be an idiot.

That is a problem with the NHL, the hits (elbows, boardings, etc..) usually only bring real punishment when someone gets hurt. Now, something like the *kick* the other night is different as thats just freaking weird. But we see it all the time. Take McSorely on Brashear. If Brash doesn't lose his balance and hit his head on the ice, no one would even know about the incident. But that play resulted in a KO and therefore became a criminal act.

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Yay NHLPA, way to protect your members!
You may be onto something here. Or maybe everyone is just getting paranoid about the coming labor war. If this was Baseball, it would be a no brainer, you could pretty much guarantee it had something to do with the player union and the owners trying to keep the peace. God, please dont let this sport go down the same path Professional Baseball took.

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