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MALIK: waive him or trade him to cut his salary from the cap. 11 12.22%
MARA: Too inconsistent over 82 games - trade him to cut his salary from the cap. 0 0%
POCK: Someone has to go - waive him and hope no one claims him. 2 2.22%
HUTCHINSON: Waive him - He was just a throw in when Cullens salary was dumped 36 40.00%
STRUDWICK: Waive him - We shouldnt have signed him in the first place. 25 27.78%
STAAL: He needs seasoning in the AHL - start him in Hartford regardless. 8 8.89%
GIRARDI: He won't hold up. Send him to Hartford so we can keep the others. 0 0%
TYUTIN: Trade him before everyone else finds out he has no offense in his game. 0 0%
ROZSIVAL: He'll be too expensive to re-sign as a UFA - trade him now while his stock is high 1 1.11%
Kasparaitis is going to be on the Rangers this year so I refuse to vote considering that. 7 7.78%
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08-08-2007, 02:54 PM
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Rangers Defense/Odd Man Out

I stole this from BB, because I want to see what everyone here thinks.

"The Rangers have 10 Defenseman. Most teams carry 7 into the season.
Assume Kasparaitis is sent to Hartford and an eighth defenseman is used as a swing man to help fill the forward position. Going into training camp, who should be the leading candidite among the remaining nine players to be the odd man out on the blueline??
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I added an another option because I know some of us are convinced Kaspar is coming back despite how ridiculous it is.

My vote goes for Strudwick. Its between him and Hutchinson but Hutchinson has more worth.


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I can't figure out what the love fest is with Strudwick.

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You can vote for the same poll there if youd like...

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08-08-2007, 03:09 PM
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To me, it comes down to a choice of Strudwick, Hutchinson and Pock....

Strudwick is the poorest hockey player of the three but he can also play W AND provid a physical element that we might need...He may just be a black ace, but I think he stays..

Comes down to Pock vs Hutch...I'm not part of the Pro-Pock crowd,,In fact, I think he sucks defensively.....But so does Hutchinson..However, from what I have seen Hutchinson is the better offensive D-man...So I ditch Pock...

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08-08-2007, 04:06 PM
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For me, its between Hutchinson and Strudwick

But Hutch might be able to help on the powerplay if need be, so I guess Struds will be waived first.

Ive seen Hutch though, and he is just pitiful defensively, I'd much rather have Pock

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I went with Hutch granted I havent seen him play, but from what I have heard from Canes fans, he isnt going to be good.

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I think that to begin the season..

the Rangers send Staal down to Hartford to see what he can do. They start the season essentially with the defense they ended last season, plus Hutchinson. Perhaps they're inclined to keep an extra winger, and if so, Strudwick's sent down. But, I would not be surprised if Strudwick begins the season in the top 6. I think he would've been playing on this team during the playoffs last season if he were allowed to do so. I would be surprised (and disappointed) if Strudwick is part of the at the end of the season, as that would mean an injury or someone wasn't playing well to be called-up.

The Rangers' defense currently has zero toughness. Strudwick is the closest thing they have to a tough defenseman at this point and I think Renney likes him.

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Voted Hutchinson just because we haven't seen what he can do.
If Pock is waived he'd definitely be claimed and Strudwick is worth keeping around. Staal might need about 20 games with the pack, and I'm also staying hopeful on Kaspar..

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I was mystified why we signed Strudwick. Pck to me is serviceable--Hutchison is next in line to go. I think Baranka also has a shot albeit a long shot. In any case though I would get rid of Strudwick--I would guess we're going to keep him around as an 8th d-man 14th forward kind of player and move Hutchison maybe for future considerations.

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I can't figure out what the love fest is with Strudwick.
I'll explain it.

The average fan would rather have an inferior player who is perceived as "physical". It's a given as much as the Sun will rise in the East.

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Unless Staal bombs in camp it's gotta be strudwick...

The lack of toughness on defense isn't an issue with the Rangers....

As chosen says above me inferior players that are perceived as physical always get the benefit of the doubt..

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Unless Staal bombs in camp it's gotta be strudwick...

The lack of toughness on defense isn't an issue with the Rangers....

As chosen says above me inferior players that are perceived as physical always get the benefit of the doubt..

I agree that not having a big bruiser on the backline did not hurt our defense much last year--in fact down the home stretch it didn't hurt us at all. As a group there are not any really big hitters but none of them really avoid contact. And if we add Staal to the equation there is some pretty good size in him, Mara and Malik all 6' 4" or more. The additions of Avery and Callahan at the end of the season made the team more aggressive. I don't see us a bunch of pushovers. My problem with Strudwick is his footspeed and overall skill. I'd rather not have him in the lineup just as a deterrent especially playing defense. We already have Orr for that job anyway at forward--who is a better fighter.

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Strudwick and then Hutchinson.

Neither has something that any of the others dont already have. Strudwick really is a fill in which we dont need anymore and Hutch is just a PP specialist who isnt better than Mara, Roszy or Tuytin. We dont need either, but Strudwick 1st if i had to choose.

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We already have Orr for that job anyway at forward--who is a better fighter.
Orr isn't that much better a fighter than Struds, he just hits harder. Struds is a very underrated fighter.

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Orr isn't that much better a fighter than Struds, he just hits harder. Struds is a very underrated fighter.
They wouldnt have re-signed Strudwick on the proviso that he would be our enforcer?!?! if that would be his best asset then god help him!

I like Struds, he's a good cahracter guy, an excellent guy to have in the locker room from what i have read and has some ability.

However, the bottom line is that, that ability isnt enough to be with this team. yes, he can be an NHL player as a 6th defenceman in Columbus or another shallow team but we dont need him and he wastes a roster space. Harsh? yes, but fair.

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Is the poll who we WANT to see kicked to the curb, or who we THINK will be kicked to the curb?

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I'm not saying Struds is our enforcer, I was just pointing out that he is an excellent fighter.

I think Sather is in love with Struds and he isn't going anywhere. They'll pay him to sit in the press box all season, but they'll pay him.

I think Hutchinson gets the boot. And personally I hope he does. I don't want another "offensive" d-man who can't play defense, ala Ozo.

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Is the poll who we WANT to see kicked to the curb, or who we THINK will be kicked to the curb?
good question!

i want it to be both Strudwick and Hutch to be honest. i think it will possibly be both too...

i am hoping and confident Staal takes a job at camp and i'd rather Pock as #7 than Strudwick or Hutch even though im not a huge Pock fan. At least Pock has shown improvement over the last year, Hutch didnt really do that in Carolina and Struds is way past that development stage now.

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To me, it comes down to a choice of Strudwick, Hutchinson and Pock....

Strudwick is the poorest hockey player of the three but he can also play W AND provid a physical element that we might need...He may just be a black ace, but I think he stays..

Comes down to Pock vs Hutch...I'm not part of the Pro-Pock crowd,,In fact, I think he sucks defensively.....But so does Hutchinson..However, from what I have seen Hutchinson is the better offensive D-man...So I ditch Pock...
I dont see any votes for pock larry! ... larry?


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Is the poll who we WANT to see kicked to the curb, or who we THINK will be kicked to the curb?
I think its who WE WANT.

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That's the key question, MJ...

my opinion is based on Renney's thinking. This team seems to like Strudwick. Sending Staal to Hartford and getting him acclimated to the next level, and hopefully dominating early, will not hurt his development - and that's the kind of logic that may be used to send Staal down. The only think clouding my opinion is Hutchinson. Strudwick was signed as a seventh guy, or perhaps a guy that may play in a couple games, but Hutchinson came into play, which was not expected when the season began.

I do hope that Staal is in the lineup somehow though, but to begin the season, I do have my doubts.

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It's too early IMO. We gotta see how everyone performs at camp. I went Hutchinson though, either him or Struds.

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by the way, to the thread starter....

how can you say Mara is too inconsistent over 82 games? he was very solid for us during his period here last season. Did no harm at all. and despite the blip in Boston, he put up a good year or two in Pheonix on ahorrible team...

so i think what you've said is very harsh.

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by the way, to the thread starter....

how can you say Mara is too inconsistent over 82 games? he was very solid for us during his period here last season. Did no harm at all. and despite the blip in Boston, he put up a good year or two in Pheonix on ahorrible team...

so i think what you've said is very harsh.
I didnt say it, BB did. Click the link.

Read the first post, I stole this poll from them.

In fact it was very hard to write some of those critical evaluations (especially Girardis and Tyutins), but what I think it is is BB's negative reasoning for each player presenting the nay-sayers case for each.

One of the knocks on Mara is his consistency and experience anyway.
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Mara has been inconsistent over an 82 game sked...

or at least that has been a knock on him from those who have seen him play more than I. Tough to judge consistency over 20 games (which is about what he played for the Rangers during the regular season, and if you add in the playoffs, I do think you will see some inconsitency since his playoff performance was not as good as his regular season performance).

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