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08-22-2007, 01:19 PM
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I hope Cole's "elbow strain" isn't just code for "we're praying he doesn't need Tommy John surgery." That would be downright devastating, to put it mildly. We don't go anywhere this year nor next without Cole.
He is undergoing an MRI today. With the Phillies you just don't know because they aren't exactly honest with their injuries.

Cole had elbow problems in the minors which caused him to miss a lot of time. I have a feeling he'll be out longer than 3 weeks.

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Happs been pitching well lately....so has knotts and carrasco had a 6 inning no hitter last night.
Carrasco would get lit up. He's barely scraping by in AA at the moment. Happ has been pitching well his past five or so starts, but I doubt he has it together enough to do anything either. I think we could get by with either Brian Mazone or Fabio Castro, but the mere fact that we have to talk about stuff like that gives me very little confidence in the future of the team. They may still hit their way into the playoffs, but anything beyond that relies on Hamels being able to dominate.

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I have more faith in Carrasco and Happ.

Also I say the darkhorse really is Knotts, he has pitched in the Majors before and just never was really given enough of shot. Also he has the markings of other value village players like Dobbs, Alfonseca, Mesa, and Coste. Pleasent surprises who are probably overachieving.

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Bringing up Carrasco now is just asking for catastrophic results. He's 20 and nowhere even close to MLB-ready... bring him along slowly, there's no rush.

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I have more faith in Carrasco and Happ.

Also I say the darkhorse really is Knotts, he has pitched in the Majors before and just never was really given enough of shot. Also he has the markings of other value village players like Dobbs, Alfonseca, Mesa, and Coste. Pleasent surprises who are probably overachieving.
I pay more attention to the farm than most and I have no idea who Knotts even is.

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Was at the game. Sucked

Picked out the date thinking Hamels.... instead got that ****

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Was at the game. Sucked

Picked out the date thinking Hamels.... instead got that ****
Blech. Sorry, dude. If it's any consolation, which I'm sure it's not, I'd wager you're not the only one who picked tonight's game because Cole was the scheduled starter. I've made sure this season that I only go to games in which Cole's the scheduled starter. Now, I've only been to 2 games, but Cole's won them both and been masterful in doing so each time (saw the game against the Brewers when he was perfect through 6, as well as his 8 IP, 8 K performance against the White Sox back in June). It's really a treat to watch him pitch... we truly got ourselves something special.

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08-23-2007, 12:05 AM
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I was at Coles flirt with perfection as well. God damn that was exciting.

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Blech. Sorry, dude. If it's any consolation, which I'm sure it's not, I'd wager you're not the only one who picked tonight's game because Cole was the scheduled starter. I've made sure this season that I only go to games in which Cole's the scheduled starter. Now, I've only been to 2 games, but Cole's won them both and been masterful in doing so each time (saw the game against the Brewers when he was perfect through 6, as well as his 8 IP, 8 K performance against the White Sox back in June). It's really a treat to watch him pitch... we truly got ourselves something special.
That's really weird. I've been to six games this season and those were two of them.

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It could have been worse, you could have been in Baltimore for the 30-3 game.

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Blech. Sorry, dude. If it's any consolation, which I'm sure it's not, I'd wager you're not the only one who picked tonight's game because Cole was the scheduled starter. I've made sure this season that I only go to games in which Cole's the scheduled starter. Now, I've only been to 2 games, but Cole's won them both and been masterful in doing so each time (saw the game against the Brewers when he was perfect through 6, as well as his 8 IP, 8 K performance against the White Sox back in June). It's really a treat to watch him pitch... we truly got ourselves something special.
Yeah, the crowd there was not happy in the least. Let's hope Cole can be healthy for the stretch

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I'm so happy we have Tom Gordon's dead shoulder taking up $7 million of our payroll for one more season.

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That is my current opinion of the Phillies.

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That is my current opinion of the Phillies.
Just current? Finally, this team looks more like the Phillies we've become accustomed to over the years.

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Just current?
They were doing really well the past couple weeks.


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Just current? Finally, this team looks more like the Phillies we've become accustomed to over the years.
this team has no business even being close to the playoff hunt with all the injuries they've had... i enjoyed them being referred to as "vampires" on around the horn the other day.

lets hope they stick in there... get a bit healthier and go on a run. the next three games are obviously huge.

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Dropping 4 of the last 5 really has me P/O'ed but what the heck, I really did expect this of them. There was no way they could maintain their torrid pace from just before (winning 4 of 5). Now they are 2 back in the wild card race with no chance to catch the Mets unless they self destruct. Yeah, injuries have hurt them but how is that any different than any other Philly team? I swear, there must be something in the water that's poisoning their bodies. Either that or all the doctors and trainers in the Philly area stink.

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this team has no business even being close to the playoff hunt with all the injuries they've had... i enjoyed them being referred to as "vampires" on around the horn the other day.

lets hope they stick in there... get a bit healthier and go on a run. the next three games are obviously huge.
This is the attitude of a losing franchise. Further, Dave Montgomery and company drool when they see their fans take this attitude.

Last night's game was a disgrace. You get a decent outing from a pitcher who has no business being in the Majors and Tom "Lead is Gone in a Flash" Gordon gives up 3 runs.

The next 7 games will either make or break this season. Over/under of 3 wins. Bets?


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This is the attitude of a losing franchise. Further, Dave Montgomery and company drool when they see their fans take this attitude.

Last night's game was a disgrace. You get a decent outing from a pitcher who has no business being in the Majors and Tom "Lead is Gone in a Flash" Gordon gives up 3 runs.

The next 7 games will either make or break this season. Over/under of 3 wins. Bets?
no dude, it's the attitude of someone who friggin understands how pathetic the pitching staff is, which is on Gillick and management. i'm not sure what that has to do with "attitude of a losing franchise", since i'm neither a franchise... nor offering up anything that you can't find in any rational view of this team outside of the area.

the pitching staff has been Hamels, Moyer, and the flavor of the week since about week 1... Tom Gordon is cooked... he has been since the beginning of the season. the bullpen was so bad they took their no. 2 starter and put him in the bullpen, where he promptly got hurt.

the fact that they're in this is a MASSIVE testament to Charlie Manuel, which you'll refuse to acknowledge because you're so biased against him that you have zero chance of offering anything remotely close to a reasoned analysis.

there are three teams in the bottom third of the league in pitching that have above .500 records... Seattle (21st), Detroit(23rd), and the Phils (27th)... they have no business being in the playoff hunt, the only reason they are is due to an offensive that you illuminatingly described as "mediocre", which is 3rd in the league.

if this team somehow manages to make the playoffs with this pitching staff, it's a minor miracle... and they need to figure out this offseason how to put together a staff that can make it through the season without running into situations where you have multiple rookies making debuts, and are relying a guys like Durbin - a cast off from other clubs. this team goes out there every night with a knife at a gun fight due to the weakness of this staff.

they need to figure out how to develop their own pitching more consistently... and how to keep their arms healthier throughout the season. this is getting old, as it's the second season in a row the lack of arms is murdering the team - same thing happened last year.

that sound like that attitude of a "losing franchise"? or someone who's interested in making a little bit deeper analysis of what's wrong with this club than "this happens every year and i'm bitter so i'm just going to gripe about a manager who somehow manages to get these guys out there and playing their ***es off every night". if you want this team to cease to be a "losing franchise" you need to identify some of the fundamental issues, and pitching is the key (player development in general needs to be improved)... and due to that they have no business being in the playoff race this year.

so you can run around throwing passive aggressive insults at the intelligence of people that don't fall into your line of your hate for the club all you want, but just because someone doesn't want to go down the rather simple and boring path you've chosen doesn't mean they fall into step with the franchise, or disagree that they're idiots. however, they're not selling the franchise... so sitting around griping about it is stupid. pick another team and move on with your life would be my suggestion.


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Jester, Dude, I actually give you credit for your post. Further I give you credit for being positive about this team. In fact I'm envious that you can have this attitude. That said, the personal attacks really are unnecessary because I have a different point of view. I guess I have a negative view on this team based on the fact that they haven't been in the playoffs in over a decade and it's the same thing season after season.

As for Uncle Charlie and his "massive" testament, sure I'll give him credit for being a good guy, keeping the clubhouse happy and helping out the hitters (although I would ask where's that help right now with Howard), but I also truly believe that he loses more games than he should based on his baseball strategy (Pat Burrell hitting 3rd for example. Baseball 101 tells you that he has no business hitting 3rd). I would be more than happy to have him as part of the organization as anything except the skipper of this club.

I will admit that I was incorrect about the offense of this team and it is better than mediocre. However, last night is a perfect example of the lineup being inconsistent and not coming through when a starting pitcher only gives up 2 runs. As I have said all along, it seems that this offense is feast or famine. 8 runs one night, 2 runs the next. It's hard to win ballgames consistently when that is how the offense operates.

So, Dude, I'll choose to be a Phils fan, but thanks for the suggestion.

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Marcus Giles is a crybaby.

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Marcus Giles is a crybaby.
i'd be pretty pissed if someone did that to me, too. Ruiz's problem there was that he didn't seem to know what he wanted to do... and then he ended up like jumping into Giles shin. if he'd gone in with a real slide, rather than that halfway thing... no issue and he probably still breaks up the play.

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meh, not that it matters, we're losing anyway.

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Oh, yeah, this looks to be the beginning of the end for this team. The Phillies have been pretty lifeless since the devastating loss to Pittsburgh in the final game of that series last week. The lack of pitching is really starting to show... can't do it with smoke and mirrors all the time. After today's game, we'll be 6 GB behind the Mets for the division and 3 GB the Padres for the Wild Card. Winning the next 2 of this series against San Diego is imperative... can't get too far behind with only a month left in the season.

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