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08-24-2007, 02:04 AM
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I'll help with the lists for anyone who's interested. I'll stick to the NHL/NHA and the PCHA but if anyone wants the other leagues let me know:
How about postseason All Stars Teams (NHA, PCHA, WHL/WCHL)?

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How about postseason All Stars Teams (NHA, PCHA, WHL/WCHL)?
They didn't have anything like that in there unfortunately, just their projected award winners year by year.

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The NHA didn't name all-star teams, and I can't find a source that actually lists the PCHA teams, so I have pieced this together from mostly single player references, so position is in doubt, such as Total Hockey, which doesn't give any info on Fred Cyclone Taylor's awards. Any way here is what I have put together:

PCHA All-stars

1911-12
Hugh Lehman, G
Frank Patrick, D
Ernie Johnson, D
Tommy Dunderdale, C
Newsy Lalonde, C
Harry Hyland, RW
Ran McDonald, RW

1912-13
Bert Lindsay, G
Lester Patrick, D
Ernie Johnson, D
Tommy Dunderdale, C
Ran McDonald, RW
Smokey Harris, LW

1913-14
Hugh Lehman, G
Ernie Johnson, D
Frank Patrick, D
Fred Taylor, R
Tom Dunderdale, C
Eddie Oatman, RW
Dubbie Kerr, LW

Trail of the Stanley Cup gives all-star as above. Total Hockey gives these players as 1st Team All-stars in 1914 as well.

Walter Smaill, D
Ran McDonald, RW

1914-15
Hugh Lehman, G
Ernie Johnson, D
Lester Patrick, D
Fred Taylor, R
Mickey MacKay, C
Eddie Oatman, RW
Frank Nighbor, LW
Tommy Dunderdale, C (Trail of the Stanley Cup gives the all-star team without Dunderdale, but Total Hockey says he was a 1st All-star in 1915.)

1915-16
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Lester Patrick, D
Ernie Johnson, D
Smokey Harris, LW
Bernie Morris, C/RW
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Lloyd Cook, D
Mickey MacKay, C
Ran McDonald, RW

1916-17
1st Team
Hec Fowler, G
Lester Patrick, D
Ernie Johnson, D
Mickey MacKay, C
Frank Foyston, C/RW
Bernie Morris, C/RW
Gord Roberts, LW
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Frank Patrick, D
Bobby Rowe, D
Dick Irvin, C
Jack Walker, F

1917-18
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Ernie Johnson, D
Bobby Rowe, D
Frank Foyston, C/RW
Bernie Morris, C/RW
2nd Team
Hec Fowler, G
Lester Patrick, D
Lloyd Cook, D
Mickey MacKay, C
Barney Stanley, RW

1918-19
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Ernie Johnson, D
Bobby Rowe, D
Mickey MacKay, R
Bernie Morris, C
Cully Wilson, RW
Smokey Harris, LW
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Lloyd Cook, D
Art Duncan, D
Frank Foyston, C/RW
Eddie Oatman, RW
Jack Walker, F

1919-20
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Lloyd Cook, D
Art Duncan, D
Frank Foyston, R
Tommy Dunderdale, C
Eddie Oatman, RW
Smokey Harris, LW
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Lester Patrick, D
Bobby Rowe, D
Jack Walker, R
Fred Taylor, C
Alf Skinner, RW
Jim Riley, LW

The Morning Leader, Mar. 19, 1920
The Calgary Daily Herald, Mar. 9, 1920

1920-21
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Lloyd Cook, D
Jack Adams, C
Frank Fredrickson, C
Frank Foyston, C/RW
Bernie Morris, C/RW
Jack Walker, F
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Ernie Johnson, D
Clem Loughlin, D
Wilf Loughlin, D
Mickey MacKay, C
Alf Skinner, RW

1921-22
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Art Duncan, D
Eddie Oatman, D
Mickey MacKay, R
Bernie Morris, RW
Jack Adams, C
Tommy Dunderdale, LW
Frank Fredrickson, Sub
Jack Walker, Sub
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Clem Loughlin, D
Roy Rickey, D
Harry Meeking, R
Alf Skinner, RW
Frank Foyston, C
Smokey Harris, LW
Slim Halderson, Sub
Jim Riley, Sub

The Calgary Daily Herald, Feb. 24, 1922

1922-23
1st Team
Hugh Lehman, G
Bobby Rowe, D
Lloyd Cook, D
Mickey MacKay, RW
Frank Fredrickson, C
Frank Foyston, LW
Spares
Slim Halderson, D
Eddie Oatman, RW
Frank Boucher, C
Jim Riley, LW
2nd Team
Hap Holmes, G
Art Duncan, D
Clem Loughlin, D
Bernie Morris, C
Alf Skinner, RW
Harry Meeking, LW
Spares
Gord Fraser, D
Ernie Parkes, RW
Archie Briden, LW
Corbett Denneny, C

1921-22 and 1922-23 are from the Google archives although I seem to have lost the links.

1923-24
Hugh Lehman G
Art Duncan D
Clem Loughlin D
Gord Fraser D
Frank Fredrickson C
Frank Foyston C/RW
Jack Walker F
Frank Boucher, C

Total Hockey often lists players as PCHA all-star, PCHA 1st team All-star, and PCHA 2nd team all-star, so there is some confusion as to when there were two teams named, and which team some players are on, and as you can see some years have 8 or 9 guys on the 1st team. Same goes for the WCHL/WHL teams.

While I think of it here are the WHA all-star teams.

WHA All-stars

72-73
1st
Gerry Cheevers, G
JC Tremblay, D
Paul Shmyr, D
Andre Lacroix, C
Danny Lawson, RW
Bobby Hull, LW
2nd
Bernie Parent, G
Jim Dorey, D
Larry Hornung, D
Ron Ward, C
Tom Webster, RW
Gary Jarrett, LW
3rd
Al Smith, G
Rick Ley, D
Ted Green, D
Norm Beaudoin, C
Chris Bourdeleau, RW
Wayne Carleton, LW

73-74
1st
Don McLeod, G
Pat Stapleton, D
Paul Shmyr, D
Andre Lacroix, C
Gordie Howe, RW
Bobby Hull, LW
2nd
Gerry Cheevers, G
JC Tremblay, D
Al Hamilton, D
Mike Walton, C
Wayne Carleton, RW
Mark Howe, LW

74-75
1st
Ron Grahame, G
JC Tremblay, D
Kevin Morrison, D
Andre Lacroix, C
Gordie Howe, RW
Bobby Hull, LW
2nd
Gerry Cheevers, G
Barry Long, D
Poul Popiel, D
Serge Bernier, C
Anders Hedberg, RW
Marc Tardif, LW

75-76
1st
Joe Daley, G
Paul Shmyr, D
JC Tremblay, D
Ulf Nilsson, C
Anders Hedberg, RW
Marc Tardif, LW
2nd
Ron Grahame, G
Kevin Morrison, D
Pat Stapleton, D
Robbie Ftorek, C
Real Cloutier, RW
Bobby Hull, LW

76-77
1st
John Garrett, G
Ron Plumb, D
Darryl Maggs, D
Robbie Ftorek, C
Anders Hedberg, RW
Marc Tardif, LW
2nd
Joe Daley, G
Poul Popiel, D
Mark Howe, D
Ulf Nilsson, C
Real Cloutier, RW
Rick Dudley, LW

77-78
1st
Al Smith, G
Lars-Erik Sjoberg, D
Al Hamilton, D
Ulf Nilsson, C
Real Cloutier, RW
Marc Tardif, LW
2nd
Ernie Wakely, G
Rick Ley, D
Barry Long, D
Robbie Ftorek, C
Anders Hedberg, RW
Bobby Hull, LW

78-79
1st
Dave Dryden, G
Rick Ley, D
Rob Ramage, D
Robbie Ftorek, C
Real Cloutier, RW
Mark Howe, LW
2nd
Richard Brodeur, G
Dave Langevin, D
Paul Shmyr, D
Wayne Gretzky, C
Blair MacDonald, RW
Morris Lukowich, LW

Found another source and Cloutier was the 1st team RW in 77-78


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WCHL/WHL All-stars

1921-22
1st Team
Red Dutton, D
Joe Simpson, D
Duke Keats, C
George Hay, LW
Barney Stanley, RW
2nd Team
Bill Laird, G
Bob Trapp, D
Percy Traub, D
Dick Irvin, C
Ty Arbour, LW
Art Gagne, RW

1922-23
1st Team
Hal Winkler, G
Herb Gardiner, D
Bob Trapp, D
Joe Simpson, D
Duke Keats, C
Charlie McVeigh, C/LW
Barney Stanley, RW
Art Gagne, RW
George Hay, LW
2nd Team
Bill Laird, G
Percy Traub, D

1923-24
1st Team
Hugh McCusker, G
Red Dutton, D
Percy Traub, D
Duke Keats, C
Newsy Lalonde, C
Dick Irvin, C
Bill Cook, RW
George Hay, LW
Harry Oliver, RW
2nd Team
Joe Simpson, D

1924-25
1st Team
Hap Holmes G
Herb Gardiner D
Joe Simpson D
Bill Cook RW
Duke Keats C
Mickey MacKay C
Frank Boucher C
Harry Oliver RW

This link gives a slightly different team
The Calgary Daily Herald, Mar. 17, 1925

1924-25
1st Team
Hap Holmes, G
Herb Gardiner, D
Red Dutton, D
Mickey MacKay, C
George Hay, LW
Bill Cook, RW
Reserves
Frank Fredrickson, F
Bob Trapp, D

1925-26
1st Team
George Hainsworth G
Eddie Shore D
Bob Trapp D
Frank Fredrickson C
Duke Keats C
Bill Cook RW
Art Gagne RW
George Hay LW


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Why does Cyclone Taylor's LOH bio say he was a first team all-star everywhere he played for 18 straight seasons, when we can't find his all-star berths on said bio (they are listed for all other players), in "Total Hockey", at SIHR.org, or in the Trail of the Stanley Cup? Is this all folklore?

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by the way, at sihrhockey.org, I found a LW, Jim Riley, whose bio says this:

PCHA Second All-Star Team (1920, 1921, 1922)

PCHA First All-Star Team (1923)


I just went to a season and found the highest scoring player who wasn't listed on your pieced-together list for that season, BM67. Due to the relative ease of success with this method, I intend to keep looking for more. Hopefully I can make your lists a lot more complete.


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Ernie Parkes, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) RW
Harry Meeking, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1922, 1923), LW
Archie Briden, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923, 1924), LW
Cully Wilson, RW: PCHA First All-Star Team (1919) WCHL Second All-Star Team (1925)
Corb Denneny, C: PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) WHL All-Star Team (1926)
Wilfred Hart, LW PCHA All-Star Team (1924)
Duke Keats, C WCHL First All-Star Team (1922, 1923, 1924, 1925). WHL First All-Star Team (1926). (you're missing 1922)
Earl Campbell, D WCHL All-Star Team (1923).
Dick Irvin, C 1st All-Star 1923-24; 2nd All-Star 16-17, 21-22, 25-26 (looks like you are just missing 25-26)

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Sheldon Souray???????

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Just giving this a little bump to get BM's attention...

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Just giving this a little bump to get BM's attention...
I started to respond before I realized that the thread was a year old, but since you bumped it, I will reply to one of your comments.


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I just don't see how you can be the hart runner-up and not be the norris winner.
Chuck Rayner won the Hart in 1950 and he was only a 2nd Team All-Star selection at goaltender. Some voters prefer to give it to the best player in the NHL instead of "the player judged to be the most valuable to his team."

It is a case of doing more for a team with a lesser amount of help from teammates.

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by the way, at sihrhockey.org, I found a LW, Jim Riley, whose bio says this:

PCHA Second All-Star Team (1920, 1921, 1922)

PCHA First All-Star Team (1923)


I just went to a season and found the highest scoring player who wasn't listed on your pieced-together list for that season, BM67. Due to the relative ease of success with this method, I intend to keep looking for more. Hopefully I can make your lists a lot more complete.
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Ernie Parkes, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) RW
Harry Meeking, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1922, 1923), LW
Archie Briden, PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923, 1924), LW
Cully Wilson, RW: PCHA First All-Star Team (1919) WCHL Second All-Star Team (1925)
Corb Denneny, C: PCHA Second All-Star Team (1923) WHL All-Star Team (1926)
Wilfred Hart, LW PCHA All-Star Team (1924)
Duke Keats, C WCHL First All-Star Team (1922, 1923, 1924, 1925). WHL First All-Star Team (1926). (you're missing 1922)
Earl Campbell, D WCHL All-Star Team (1923).
Dick Irvin, C 1st All-Star 1923-24; 2nd All-Star 16-17, 21-22, 25-26 (looks like you are just missing 25-26)
Looking in Total Hockey, I see all of these except for Irvin in 25-26. The HHoF website only gives his NHL coaching all-star record.

Of course this now gives 9 players for each of the 1st and 2nd team on the 22-23 PCHA squad.

I'll add that the 1st team all-star goalie on the 21-22 WCHL squad is almost certainly Charles (Charlie) Reid, but I can't confirm this.

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"Retro Norrises" according to the voting

Since we're doing the Top 60 defensemen of all time list now and people are talking about retro awards, I figured now would be a good time to post this. Specifically, now that we have a better idea of the full voting records (posted in the sticky on the top of this board), we see that Ultimate Hockey's retro awards were merely educated guesses that often contradict what the actual awards voting showed.

So here are the "retro Norrises according to the voting patterns." For 1923-24 to 1929-30, I'm using Hart voting. For 1930-31 to 1952-53, I'm using All Star voting. Credit goes to seventieslord for coming up with this criteria, which I believe is a major improvement off of Ultimate Hockey's educated guesses. Since the actual Norris doesn't exactly track Hart and All Star voting, if a player finished a second by only a couple of points, I've noted him in (parenthesis).

Seasons different from Ultimate Hockey are noted with a *

1923-24 Sprague Cleghorn*
1924-25 King Clancy*
1925-26 Sprague Cleghorn*
1926-27 Herb Gardiner
1927-28 Eddie Shore
1928-29 Eddie Shore (Sylvio Mantha)
1929-30 Lionel Hitchman*
1930-31 Eddie Shore
1931-32 Ching Johnson* (Eddie Shore)
1932-33 Eddie Shore
1933-34 King Clancy (Lionel Conacher)
1934-35 Eddie Shore
1935-36 Eddie Shore
1936-37 Babe Siebert
1937-38 Eddie Shore (Babe Siebert)
1938-39 Eddie Shore*
1939-40 Dit Clapper (Ebbie Goodfellow)*
1940-41 Dit Clapper
1941-42 Earl Seibert (Tom Anderson)*
1942-43 Jack Stewart*
1943-44 Babe Pratt (Earl Seibert)*
1944-45 Butch Bouchard*
1945-46 Jack Crawford (Butch Bouchard)*
1946-47 Ken Reardon (Butch Bouchard)
1947-48 Bill Quackenbush (Jack Stewart)*
1948-49 Bill Quackenbush*
1949-50 Gus Mortson (Ken Reardon)*
1950-51 Red Kelly
1951-52 Red Kelly
1952-53 Red Kelly*

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1917-18 Harry Cameron
1918-19 Harry Cameron
1919-20 Sprague Cleghorn
1920-21 Eddie Gerard
1921-22 George Boucher
1922-23 George Boucher
1923-24 George Boucher
1924-25 Sprague Cleghorn
1925-26 George Boucher
1926-27 Herb Gardiner
1927-28 Eddie Shore
1928-29 Eddie Shore
1929-30 King Clancy
1930-31 Eddie Shore
1931-32 Eddie Shore
1932-33 Eddie Shore
1933-34 King Clancy
1934-35 Eddie Shore
1935-36 Eddie Shore
1936-37 Albert Siebert
1937-38 Eddie Shore
1938-39 Aubbrey Clapper
1939-40 Ebbie Goodfellow
1940-41 Aubbrey Clapper
1941-42 Tom Anderson
1942-43 Earl Seibert
1943-44 Earl Seibert
1944-45 William Hollett
1945-46 Émile Bouchard
1946-47 Ken Reardon
1947-48 Jack Stewart
1948-49 Jack Stewart
1949-50 Ken Reardon
1950-51 Red Kelly
1951-52 Red Kelly
1952-53 Doug Harvey
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I'm changing 1932 to Ching Johnson as my "retro Norrises" go. Eddie Shore had 1 more 1st Team vote, but Ching had 2 more 2nd Team votes. An effective tie.

And Ching was 1 point away from winning the Hart Trophy, while Shore didn't place.

Anyone know of any other cases like this?

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Note that for the WCHL all-stars in post 29:

When there are more the usual number of players listed for a certain position under "1st Team," the extra players were named as "All Star spares."

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Note that for the WCHL all-stars in post 29:

When there are more the usual number of players listed for a certain position under "1st Team," the extra players were named as "All Star spares."
Yes, to be clear, the all-stars were intended to be a team's worth of players. So they had All-Star starters, but also named substitute players to the all-star teams. That is, they were the best players who were playing as subs that season. So the 1st team subs were likely not as good as the 2nd team starters.

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Yes, to be clear, the all-stars were intended to be a team's worth of players. So they had All-Star starters, but also named substitute players to the all-star teams. That is, they were the best players who were playing as subs that season. So the 1st team subs were likely not as good as the 2nd team starters.
Just the man I had hoped would see this (we'll go back to butting heads on the stats board soon enough).

Do you have records of who the all star spares were each season?

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Just the man I had hoped would see this (we'll go back to butting heads on the stats board soon enough).

Do you have records of who the all star spares were each season?
Not for every season, I don't think. It shouldn't be difficult to find on google, since it was the newspaper (Regina Leader?) choosing these all-star teams rather than the league.

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Why does Cyclone Taylor's LOH bio say he was a first team all-star everywhere he played for 18 straight seasons, when we can't find his all-star berths on said bio (they are listed for all other players), in "Total Hockey", at SIHR.org, or in the Trail of the Stanley Cup? Is this all folklore?
Yes, LOH says Taylor was 1st Team-All Star every year from 1900-1918.

The Trail itself apparently says "Was regarded as a speedy rushing defender in the east. (Played rover and center upon moving west) He was a great goal scorer and inspirational leader. He was named many times to western all-star teams."

Yet Taylor is only listed on three PCHA All-Star Teams above - 1914, 1915, and 1920 (which is bizarre, considering the number of times he led that league in scoring).

Edit: Given the fact that the PCHA obviously included rovers and only lists an All-Star rover twice up to 1918 (and both times Taylor), do you think we can assume Taylor was the All-Star rover each of those seasons?


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Yes, LOH says Taylor was 1st Team-All Star every year from 1900-1918.

The Trail itself apparently says "Was regarded as a speedy rushing defender in the east. (Played rover and center upon moving west) He was a great goal scorer and inspirational leader. He was named many times to western all-star teams."

Yet Taylor is only listed on three PCHA All-Star Teams above - 1914, 1915, and 1920 (which is bizarre, considering the number of times he led that league in scoring).

Edit: Given the fact that the PCHA obviously included rovers and only lists an All-Star rover twice up to 1918 (and both times Taylor), do you think we can assume Taylor was the All-Star rover each of those seasons?
Yes, most likely

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The LegendsOfHockey website lists PCHA All Star Teams SOME of their player profiles and they sometimes differ from this thread.

As far as I can tell, these are the PCHA players for whom they have All-Star Teams

Edit: For some reason I thought this post would provide new information. It doesn't really - other than the omission of Cully Wilson from the above tables I guess. I was hoping for confirmation as to Taylor's awards, which are only mentioned in the text of the LOH bio. The section on awards for him is blank, as it is for most PCHA players.

Lloyd Cook

PCHA Second All-Star Team (1916, 1918, 1919)
PCHA First All-Star Team (1920, 1921, 1923)

Art Duncan

PCHA Second All-Star Team (1919, 1923)
PCHA First All-Star Team (1920, 1922, 1924)

Tommy Dunderdale

PCHA First All-Star Team (1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 1920, 1922)

Smokey Harris

PCHA First All-Team (1913, 1916, 1919, 1920)
PCHA Second All-Star Team (1922)

Bobby Rowe

PCHA Second All-Star Team (1917, 1920)
PCHA First All-Star Team (1918, 1919, 1923)

Cully Wilson

PCHA First All-Star Team (1919)
WCHL Second All-Star Team (1925)

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Not quite the same thing, but at the end of Vol. 1 of The Trail of the Stanley Cup the author, Charles L. Coleman, selected his all-star team for 1893-1926.

The nominees were:

G: Clint Benedict, Harry Holmes, Georges Vezina, and Hugh Lehman

He selected Clint Benedict.

D: Harry Cameron, Sprague Cleghorn, Eddie Gerard, and Ernie Johnson

He selected Sprague Cleghorn and Ernie Johnson.

Rover: Newsy Lalonde, Mickey MacKay, and Fred Taylor

He selected Newsy Lalonde.

F: Russell Bowie, Harry Broadbent, Jack Darragh, Cy Denneny, Frank Foyston, Harry Hyland, Joe Malone, Frank Nighbor, Didier Pitre, Gordon Roberts, and Ernie Russell

He selected Russell Bowie, Joe Malone and Frank Nighbor.
Interesting stuff but didn't Coleman have a list of the top 10 players of all time around 1950 or so and have a huge omission or was that another author/hockey beat writer?


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Interesting stuff but didn't Coleman have a list of the top 10 players of all time around 1950 or so and have a huge omission or was that another author/hockey beat writer?
I dont know if that author did or not, but I do know that he produced a 3 volume leather bound set (1000 copies in total) called Trail of the Stanley Cup (1893 to 1967). These were given to NHL players, team personnel & so on, never actually sold through bookstores or wherever, made available to the public. ClassicAuctions had a set up for grabs that belonged to Norm Ullman, past sale prices exceeding $3000.

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A short article about Frank Foyston winning the PCHA MVP for the 1916-17 season.

The Calgary Daily Herald, Mar 6, 1917

It's only partially readable. Hope somebody can find another paper that carried it that is readable.

4 voters, 1st and 2nd place:
Foyston, Walker
MacKay, Foyston
Morris, MacKay
Foyston, Roberts

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1917 all-stars selected by the same writers that voted for the MVP above.

The Calgary Daily Herald, Feb 6, 1917

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1917 all-stars selected by the same writers that voted for the MVP above.

The Calgary Daily Herald, Feb 6, 1917
Some interesting names on that list. Great find.

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