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01-06-2008, 09:20 AM
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From the 93-born forwards in northern Finland, that i have seen playing i would rank at least Aleksi Niemitalo (kärpät) and Teemu Korpela (Laser ht) ahead of these guys at the moment.
Niemitalo just played his first game with Kärpät B-juniors & he made 2 goals. Kärpät won it 3-2. Nice start for this youngster.

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Niemitalo just played his first game with Kärpät B-juniors & he made 2 goals. Kärpät won it 3-2. Nice start for this youngster.
Actually Niemitalo played in two friendly/training matches against Luleå hockey J18 between Christmas and new year, but this was his first game in BSM.

Niemitalo who usually plays center, is a great skater with some nice moves and good play making skills. Biggest weakness is his physical strength and that is probably the main reason why he isn't as dominant and productive at CSM as Pulkkinen and Granlund were last year.

I guess he will be back in CSM as soon as Donskoi, Granlund and Pälve will be back in line-up or at least i think so. He is just too fragile and weak to be playing in BSM for a longer period of time.

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Both Pulkkinen and Granlund had a two goal games today as Jokerit beat Lukko 7-3 and Kärpät beat Saipa 11-2.

Top 92-born point scorers in BSM after today's games:

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     Name                    GP  G    A   P   Team
GRANLUND Mikael         12  11+13=24  Kärpät
PULKKINEN Teemu        13  12+9=21    Jokerit
DONSKOI Joonas          12   7+7=14    Kärpät
KOSKI Eetu	                15   5+5=10     Lukko
HALINEN Petteri	        15   2+8=10    Blues
HÄMÄLÄINEN Roope	10   2+5=7      Saipa
VÄKIPARTA Riku	        10   1+2=3      Lukko (a defender)
HELEN Samu	         3   0+2=2       Ilves
KURONEN Mikael	         3   1+0=1       Ilves
ISO-MUSTAJÄRVI Tomi	 6   0+1=1       Ilves
RIIKOLA Simo-Pekka	 8   0+1=1       Saipa (a defender)
SUUTARI Joni	         9   0+1=1       Saipa
NIKANDER Marcus         14   0+1=1      Blues (a defender)
Riku Härmä has the best save percentage and GA-avarage in BSM of the goalies that have played over one third of the games. That is quite impressing for an underage goalie.
HÄRMÄ Riku Kärpät GA/h=2.25 S%=93.01

Two 93-born players have played in BSM this season:
AROUSVA Santeri 5 0 0 0 Ässät (a defender)
NIEMITALO Aleksi 1 2 0 2 Kärpät


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Both Pulkkinen and Granlund had a two goal games today as Jokerit beat Lukko 7-3 and Kärpät beat Saipa 11-2.

Top 92-born point scorers in BSM after today's games:

Code:
                                GP    G      A       P   
GRANLUND Mikael         12	11	13	24  Kärpät
PULKKINEN Teemu	13	12	9	21  Jokerit
DONSKOI Joonas	        12	7	7	14  Kärpät
KOSKI Eetu                 15	5	5	10  Lukko
HALINEN Petteri	        15	2	8	10  Blues
HÄMÄLÄINEN Roope	10	2	5	7   Saipa
VÄKIPARTA Riku	        10	1	2	3   Lukko (a defender)
HELEN Samu	        3	0	2	2   Ilves
KURONEN Mikael	        3	1	0	1   Ilves
ISO-MUSTAJÄRVI Tomi	6	0	1	1   Ilves
RIIKOLA Simo-Pekka	8	0	1	1   Saipa (a derfender)
SUUTARI Joni	        9	0	1	1   Saipa
NIKANDER Marcus        14	0	1	1   Blues (a defender)
Riku Härmä has the best save percentage and GA-avarage in BSM of the goalies that have played over one third of the games. That is quite impressing for an underage goalie.
HÄRMÄ Riku Kärpät GA/h=2.25 S%=93.01

Two 93-born players have played in BSM this season:
AROUSVA Santeri 5 0 0 0 Ässät (a defender)
NIEMITALO Aleksi 1 2 0 2 Kärpät
Thanks for the update!

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Top Ilves 90's and Rajala have visited B-juniors. 8-2 against Jyp. Rajala has 3+1, Sointu has 1+1 and Rask 0+2.

Jyp had their top prospect in 91's as well. Nättinen had 0+0. And seeing his ppg is worse than Rajala had last year still very hard to see any reasons to has Nättinen over Rajala(as in some lists I have seen by some scouting agencies).

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Rajala is now 23rd in points(10+18 in 25 games). And ~10 in PPG's from players who have scored over 10points. That's pretty nice for 16 in A-juniors.

Same time Pulkkinen is allmost 2ppg in B-juniors, with 27points(16+11) in 15 games. 4th in the league in points and second best PPG it seems.

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So far from the 2010 draft class there are a few potential star players from I've been reading. Teemu Pulkkinen,Maxim Kitsyn,Mikael Granlund all have the potential to be star players in the NHL. But I'm not familiar with Joonas Donskoi and Markus Granlund Do they also have Star potential? If you were ranking these 5 players in terms of future potential where do they rank 1-5? Also is there another potential star that I'm missing.

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So far from the 2010 draft class there are a few potential star players from I've been reading. Teemu Pulkkinen,Maxim Kitsyn,Mikael Granlund all have the potential to be star players in the NHL. But I'm not familiar with Joonas Donskoi and Markus Granlund Do they also have Star potential? If you were ranking these 5 players in terms of future potential where do they rank 1-5? Also is there another potential star that I'm missing.
Haven't seen Kitsyn, so I won't comment anything about him.

Pulkkinen, Donskoi and Mikael Granlund are all exceptionally talented junior players by Finnish standards, but it's hard to judge their future potential as long as they are playing against such a low level of competition in Finnish junior B(U18). Another thing is that we have no data about the level of their physical development/maturity, so overall it's too inaccurate to rank them by their future potential with the info we have.

Pulkkinen has produced the most points in international games so far, so I guess that tells that his current level is the highest of these three.

Markus Granlund is a skilled player, but hasn't produced the same kind of stats in junior C(U16) as Rajala, Pulkkinen and Mikael Granlund at the same age. The reason to that might be that he is even smaller than his year older brother was a year ago and because of that he is prevented to do his best or the fact that he isn't as talented as the other guys mentioned earlier, impossible to tell at this point.

Overall, one or two of these boys might be future professionals, or it could be that none of them make it or even desire it.

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Harma is the only 2010 prospect other than Pulkkinen, Granlund and Donskoi I take seriously
How would you rank those 4 prospects as of now. I dont really know anything about Harma. Does Harma have superstar potential? Also do you take Markus Granlund seriously even though he's a 2011 draft prospect. Does he have superstar potential?

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Did check today Pulkkinen out. He has v. good speed while getting it going. He isn't fastest accelerating player(it's not bad, but not special), his agility needs work, but his speed from blueline to blueline is good with "raw power". Not flashy, but uses it well. He has good balance as well. Using his size well, can hit as well. About body, more below.

Covers to puck quite well and can deke with it quite nicely as well. While covering it well he can see the ice above avarage and make open plays for team mates. Not making any "spectular" passes, but passing it well for open team mates.

His shot isn't best possible, but not bad either. Better than avarage for finn I would say. Not afraid of to shoot when getting room and making those open plays as well. Wants puck and wants to make up plays.

Then about things which needs work more or less. His skating could be smoother and agility could be improved. His deking could be improved as well. Maybe has his stick a bit too much all the time in both hands, because of that loses puck and sometimes even his stick. Floats a bit too much sometimes, playing himself "out of the game" as well.

Will be fun to see what will happen in the future and how he can improve.

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A little update...

Granlund today with a hattrick & 1 assist. Donskoi with 1+3=4.

Granlund's stats in the last 5 games are impressive (6+9). He already has more points than Rajala a season ago in the same league.

Rajala: 21 games 11+21=32. Granlund: 16 games 15+19=34.
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TOP-10 scoring leaders in the BSM series at the moment.

1 RISSANEN Jaakko KalPa 20gp 13g 23a 36p (-89)
2 GRANLUND Mikael Kärpät 16gp 15g 19a 34p (-92)
3 RANTANEN Tommi HPK 20gp 16g 17a 33p (-90)
4 PULKKINEN Teemu Jokerit 17gp 16g 13a 29p (-92)
5 RASI Petteri KalPa 19gp 14g 15a 29p (-90)
6 FORSSTRÖM Juuso Blues 19gp 10g 15a 25p (-90)
7 NÄTTINEN Joonas JYP 18gp 7g 18a 25p (-91)
8 TENKANEN Antti Ässät 19gp 7g 17a 24p (-90)
9 PALANTO Jimi Tappara 21gp 11g 12a 23p (-90)
10 RUISMA Kristian Ässät 17gp 11g 12a 23p (-90)
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16 DONSKOI Joonas Kärpät 16gp 8g 13a 21p (-92)


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He already has more points than Rajala a season ago (21gp. 11+21=32).
top 91-born forwards in BSM last season:
KARJALAINEN Joni HIFK 26gp 10g 27a 37p
HAULA Erik Ässät 24gp 13g 19a 32p
RAJALA Toni Ilves 21gp 11g 21a 32p
NÄTTINEN Joonas JYP 21gp 5g 19a 24p
LAAKSONEN Jere Lukko 21gp 11g 5a 16p

Their stats in ASM so far this season:
RAJALA Toni Ilves 27gp 10g 20a 30p
KARJALAINEN Joni HIFK 33gp 10g 17a 27p
HAULA Erik Ässät 33gp 5g 12a 17p
LAAKSONEN Jere Lukko 14gp 1g 2a 3p
NÄTTINEN Joonas JYP 5gp 0g 1a 1p

Rajala and Karjalainen have clearly made the transition to a higher level and Haula has been pretty good as well. On the other hand Laaksonen and Nättinen have struggled with the higher tempo and their development seems to be slower, at least at the moment.

Top 92-born forwards in BSM so far this season:
GRANLUND Mikael Kärpät 16gp 15g 19a 34p
PULKKINEN Teemu Jokerit 17gp 16g 13a 29p
DONSKOI Joonas Kärpät 16gp 8g 13a 21p
HALINEN Petteri Blues 17gp 2g 12a 14p
KOSKI Eetu Lukko 19gp 6g 6a 12p

Will be interesting to see which of these players make an impact in ASM next season. Any predictions?

Overall 91-class seems to be a bit smoother(/more even) at the top than 92-class. 91-class seems to have quite a lot of good defenders as well, can't say the same about 92-class.


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Will be interesting to see which of these players make an impact in ASM next season. Any predictions?

Overall 91-class seems to be a bit smoother(/more even) at the top than 92-class. 91-class seems to have quite a lot of good defenders as well, can't say the same about 92-class.
I would guess at least Pulkkinen can make it quite easily. Mostly because his physical atributes and contributing in international level shows so. I hope and guess Granlund&Donskoi would make it as well, but not so well as Pulkkinen.

And yes, 91's have deeper pool it seems and a lot better D's. Actually Manelius and prolly Kivistö too at least can be there with Haula's in the top of 91's.

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I would guess at least Pulkkinen can make it quite easily. Mostly because his physical atributes and contributing in international level shows so. I hope and guess Granlund&Donskoi would make it as well, but not so well as Pulkkinen.
I agree with you about Pulkkinen, he clearly is the strongest/most physically ready of the three at the moment and has played well even in U17 national team. Might be the fastest skater of the group as well? I guess the only question marks are how well he will be able to adjust his game and will the higher quality of the ASM-games bring up any real weaknesses that might be hiding?

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I agree with you about Pulkkinen, he clearly is the strongest/most physically ready of the three at the moment and has played well even in U17 national team. Might be the fastest skater of the group as well? I guess the only question marks are how well he will be able to adjust his game and will the higher quality of the ASM-games bring up any real weaknesses that might be hiding?
His skating still needs work. Mostly agility and technique. Raw power and efficiency he already has and his speed is very good. Not the best acceleration, but he go round D's left and right. At least in B-juniors he is one of the best when it comes to speed in long rage skating.

His weaknesses are some about his age(at least a bit), like floating between bluelines and not best D'ing. And I still wonder haven't any1 coached him about freeing stick from another hand when deking&cruising without puck. Prolly not major problem, but surely can't be adjusted easily in later age.

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I think it would already be better for Pulkkinen to play in A-juniors. He can't play there like in b-juniors, he wouldn't be the best skater. So he would have to play more with other features and develop the weaknesses.

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Pulkkinen vs. Granlund

Last couple of games of the regular season in BSM are on the doorstep and Pulkkinen and Granlund will face each other for the first time this season as they both were absent from the first game between Jokerit and Kärpät because of the U17 trip to Canada. The game is played on Saturday 23rd of February at 5 p.m. in Helsinki at the Pirkkola Ice hall, so if you live in the Helsinki region and have some spare time go check them out and give us a game report.

Teemu Pulkkinen wears number 6 and Mikael Granlund wears number 22. Hoping that someone goes to this game.

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Last couple of games of the regular season in BSM are on the doorstep and Pulkkinen and Granlund will face each other for the first time this season as they both were absent from the first game between Jokerit and Kärpät because of the U17 trip to Canada. The game is played on Saturday 23rd of February at 5 p.m. in Helsinki at the Pirkkola Ice hall, so if you live in the Helsinki region and have some spare time go check them out and give us a game report.

Teemu Pulkkinen wears number 6 and Mikael Granlund wears number 22. Hoping that someone goes to this game.
Damn, im working otherwise i would have gone there.

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Jokerit - Kärpät 4-1
Pulkkinen was the lonesome star of the game as he scored four goals. Granlund was left out of the score sheet.

Their Points after this game:
PULKKINEN Teemu Jokerit 21gp 21g+15a=36p
GRANLUND Mikael Kärpät 19gp 15g+21a=36p

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Jokerit - Kärpät 4-1
Pulkkinen was the lonesome star of the game as he scored four goals. Granlund was left out of the score sheet.

Their Points after this game:
PULKKINEN Teemu Jokerit 21gp 21g+15a=36p
GRANLUND Mikael Kärpät 19gp 15g+21a=36p
Yep, Pulkkinen scored 4 goals today. First was in the first shift of the game with nice 1-on-1 deke, where he skated past defender and scored. Second was in power play, when he scored with a backhand shot. The third one was a beauty, with really nice pass from his brother Tony. The fourth was an empty netter.

Granlund for some reason didnt play in the third period, injury or something? Anyway, he showed good puck handling in few occasions but nothing special, that said the whole team was pretty bad.

This was the first time I saw Pulkkinen in this season and the biggest difference in his game was the physical game. He threw a great open ice hit in first period and was much more physical than last season. I was pretty impressed. Hope to see Granlund more in future, and give you a report of his game.

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Yep, Pulkkinen scored 4 goals today. First was in the first shift of the game with nice 1-on-1 deke, where he skated past defender and scored. Second was in power play, when he scored with a backhand shot. The third one was a beauty, with really nice pass from his brother Tony. The fourth was an empty netter.

Granlund for some reason didnt play in the third period, injury or something? Anyway, he showed good puck handling in few occasions but nothing special, that said the whole team was pretty bad.

This was the first time I saw Pulkkinen in this season and the biggest difference in his game was the physical game. He threw a great open ice hit in first period and was much more physical than last season. I was pretty impressed. Hope to see Granlund more in future, and give you a report of his game.
Thanks for the report and especially for the info about Pulkkinen as I haven't seen him play for a while. Granlund didn't play that much in the third period in his previous game here in Oulu either, so it might be that his coach is just making him sit for some reason, hard to say.

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Thanks for the report and especially for the info about Pulkkinen as I haven't seen him play for a while. Granlund didn't play that much in the third period in his previous game here in Oulu either, so it might be that his coach is just making him sit for some reason, hard to say.
Ok, interesting to hear. Im glad that I´ve seen Granlund, Rajala and Pulkkinen at least once so I have some kind of view what kind of players they are. So far Rajala has impressed me the most. Pulkkinen is an interesting player. He seems to be always in the right spot for scoring goals and he has a real scorers touch. But his skating and puck handling isnt as good as Rajala's, imo. Granlund is more like Rajala. Skilled and small offensive forward, maybe even more skilled than Rajala but not as good skater. BTW Rajala had 0+2 tonight in A-juniors, altought his team lost 2-6 to HIFK (Karjalainen had 1+2 for HIFK).

Stats update for 91-born prospects:
Rajala 31 12+22=34 (A-juniors, mostly 89-90-borns)
Karjalainen 39 11+19=30 (A)
Haula 38 6+15=21 (A)
Nättinen 22 8+21=29 (B-juniors, 91-borns mostly)

92-borns:
Granlund 19 15+21=36 (B-juniors)
Pulkkinen 21 21+15=36 (B)
Donskoi 18 9+13=22 (B)

Granlunds and Pulkkinen´s stats are pretty amazing. In comparison Rajala´s stats last year in B-juniors were 33 games and 47 points. So both are doing even better than Rajala...

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Granlund is more like Rajala. Skilled and small offensive forward, maybe even more skilled than Rajala but not as good skater.
IMO Granlund is more than an offensive forward as he's defensively responsible and does a good job in his own end, so he's probably better in this area than Rajala and Pulkkinen. Rajala is one of the fastest junior players in Finland at the moment (if not the fastest) and the only one that comes close to him in his age class that I've seen is HIFK's Tapio Relander.

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Granlunds and Pulkkinen´s stats are pretty amazing. In comparison Rajala´s stats last year in B-juniors were 33 games and 47 points. So both are doing even better than Rajala...
That's true and it'll be interesting to see how they'll do in ASM next season compared to Rajala, Haula and Karjalainen.

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That's true and it'll be interesting to see how they'll do in ASM next season compared to Rajala, Haula and Karjalainen.
Yeah, A-juniors(from B-juniors) is allmost so big leap as it's from A-juniors to seniors. The game is so much more physical and players are so much better.

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