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08-21-2007, 11:56 AM
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McKeen's: "Mtl, Stl and Chi, best 2007 draft"

According to the McKeen's 2007 Draft Review (I received it today), Montreal, Chicago and St-Louis had the best 2007 draft as their ranking. And Montreal and St-Louis got the best depth (Chicago had a little advantage with the superior player in Kane). McKeen's give an "A" for these 3 teams.

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Link?

Or did you bought the magazine?

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That's because these teams pick whatever these scouting agencies rank, we'll see in 5 years who the real winner are.

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Link?

Or did you bought the magazine?
Yes

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That's because these teams pick whatever these scouting agencies rank, we'll see in 5 years who the real winner are.
Do you honestly believe that?

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That's because these teams pick whatever these scouting agencies rank, we'll see in 5 years who the real winner are.
is that why the Blues selected Oshie in the 1st round of 05... when folks barely knew who he was.

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Link?

Or did you bought the magazine?

You have to order it from there site online here's the link if your interested..

http://mckeenshockey.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=660228

I'll just say Montreal Chicago and St. Louis were the only teams to get an "A"

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is that why the Blues selected Oshie in the 1st round of 05... when folks barely knew who he was.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, i think he wasn't referring to all teams, just that whatever teams they(scouting agencies) pick as having the best draft is done basically off of their own rankings, so its not too much of a surprise who they consider to have the best draft if you know their rankings, which makes a list of the best drafts not all that useful.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but, i think he wasn't referring to all teams, just that whatever teams they(scouting agencies) pick as having the best draft is done basically off of their own rankings, so its not too much of a surprise who they consider to have the best draft if you know their rankings, which makes a list of the best drafts not all that useful.
His post read like he implied Montreal, Chicago and St. Louis habitually follow certain scouting orgs as guides to drafting for their team.

Has anyone ever kept track of scouting guides from 6+ years ago to see how accurate they are? I'd like to know if it is indeed better to go with a consensus pick rather than continually going off the board.

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Do you honestly believe that?
Yes I do, based on some of the picks of these teams (Specially Montreal), there's no surprise that McKeen will pick them as having the best draft so far, but we'll see I guess.

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is that why the Blues selected Oshie in the 1st round of 05... when folks barely knew who he was.
The topic is about 2007 draft, not 2005.


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The topic is about 2007 draft, not 2005.
he was making a point and it was valid/implies.

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he was making a point and it was valid/implies.
That's fine, but his point does not deal with this topic because this is about McKeen picking Montreal, St'Louis and Chicago to having the best 2007 draft, if it was 2005 draft then his point would be valid here.

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That's because these teams pick whatever these scouting agencies rank, we'll see in 5 years who the real winner are.
I can only speak for Montreal but, you are dead wrong in their case. They do all BUT follows the agencies recommendations....or else, we would not have PRICE and McDonagh.....for sure

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I can only speak for Montreal but, you are dead wrong in their case. They do all BUT follows the agencies recommendations....or else, we would not have PRICE and McDonagh.....for sure
I did not say Montreal, Chicago, or any team for that matter follows what scouting agencies rank, I'm aware that every team has their own scouts and they follow what their scouts say, but I'm pointing out that these teams are high on Mckeen's list because they chose players that are high on Mckeen's list, this has nothing to do with following Mckeen.

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I did not say Montreal, Chicago, or any team for that matter follows what scouting agencies rank, I'm aware that every team has their own scouts and they follow what their scouts say, but I'm pointing out that these teams are high on Mckeen's list because they chose players that are high on Mckeen's list, this has nothing to do with following Mckeen.
I got that from the first post. Why no one else did outside of one poster is beyond me.

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I did not say Montreal, Chicago, or any team for that matter follows what scouting agencies rank, I'm aware that every team has their own scouts and they follow what their scouts say, but I'm pointing out that these teams are high on Mckeen's list because they chose players that are high on Mckeen's list, this has nothing to do with following Mckeen.
But those players were high on everbody's lists there all similar.
So give credit where credit is due. Stop making excuses..

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But those players were high on everbody's lists there all similar.
So give credit where credit is due. Stop making excuses..
Gosh, haha. McKeens isn't just rating the 1st round. They are rating the entire draft. The 3 teams took players who had fallen, most likely, from McKeens final list in the later rounds. Therefor they say that they got "really great depth" or whatever as well as good 1st round picks. Do you get what he means now!?

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But those players were high on everbody's lists there all similar.
So give credit where credit is due. Stop making excuses..
Give credit for what? I'll give credit 5 years from now when the evidence is more clear.

The other thing is how do you know these were high on everyone's list? just because most scouting agencies had similar rankings it does't mean teams have the same rankings, some examples would be picks like Hickey, Cherepanov, Esposito and a few others.

I don't understand why people are slow these days

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I did not say Montreal, Chicago, or any team for that matter follows what scouting agencies rank, I'm aware that every team has their own scouts and they follow what their scouts say, but I'm pointing out that these teams are high on Mckeen's list because they chose players that are high on Mckeen's list, this has nothing to do with following Mckeen.
Alright, I stand corrected but as someone else stated, those list are all similar in nature

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Of course these teams picked players highly regarded by McKeen's! Using another publication's list wouldn't make any sort of sense what-so-ever. Birko's just stating the obvious and anyone who disputes him (or her), is wasting their time.

With that said, I'd rather see my team rated well by McKeen or any other publication then the opposite.

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That's because these teams pick whatever these scouting agencies rank, we'll see in 5 years who the real winner are.
Bingo. It's asinine to rank a draft a month after it happened. They might as well title the list "Who agreed with us the most"

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Just out of interest could someone post where the players drafted by Chicago, St Louis and Montreal were ranked by McKeen's? I'm interested to see how closely each team followed the guide. I'd do it myself but i don't own a copy of the guide. Since the draft has occurred i can't see any problems posting where players were ranked in the preview.

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Just out of interest could someone post where the players drafted by Chicago, St Louis and Montreal were ranked by McKeen's? I'm interested to see how closely each team followed the guide. I'd do it myself but i don't own a copy of the guide. Since the draft has occurred i can't see any problems posting where players were ranked in the preview.
I can only do the first 4 picks because I myself don't know where to get McKeen's final rankings from.

Chicago:
1st Patrick Kane - Ranked 1st.
38th Billy Sweatt - Ranked 11th.
56th Akim Aliu - Ranked 59th.
69th Maxime Tanguay - Ranked 86th.

St'Louis:
13th Lars Eller - Ranked 13th.
18th Ian Cole - Ranked 26th.
26th David Perron - Ranked 32nd.
39th Simon Hjalmarsson - Ranked 23rd.

Montreal:
12th Ryan McDonagh - Ranked 8th.
22nd Max Pacioretty - Ranked 20th.
43th P.K. Subban - Ranked 33rd.
65th Olivier Fortier - Ranked 112th.

I'm interested in seeing the later picks.

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