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Flyers #5 Prospect

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Scott Munroe - G 0 0%
Oskars Bartulis - D 2 2.15%
Lars Jonsson - D 2 2.15%
Kevin Marshall - D 0 0%
Michael Ratchuk - D 1 1.08%
Mario Kempe - RW 2 2.15%
Jonathan Matsumoto - C 1 1.08%
Andreas Nödl - RW 54 58.06%
Ryan Potulny - C 22 23.66%
Stefan Ruzicka - RW 9 9.68%
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08-24-2007, 07:21 AM
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Flyers #5 Prospect

Steve Downie is number four, 62 of 87 voters (71,26%) chose him.

I added Jonathan Matsumoto to this poll.

1. James VanRiemsdyk (50.71%)
2. Ryan Parent (41,28%)
3. Claude Giroux (47,42%)
4. Steve Downie (71,26%)

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I have a feeling this is going to be a very close one between Nodl and Potulny.

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Nödl for me.
I just feel he has more upside.

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Nodl. Kid had a phenomenal year in the WCHA and at the prospects camp really impressed me. I think he's going to be a very versatile and well rounded player in this league

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nodl. anyone compared with tomas vanek has to pique my interest. i would have potulny next and ruzicka next.

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Nodl, any guy who is being compared to Thomas Vanek is going to have some sort of success.

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nodl. anyone compared with tomas vanek has to pique my interest. i would have potulny next and ruzicka next.
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Nodl, any guy who is being compared to Thomas Vanek is going to have some sort of success.
The comparisons between Nodl and Vanek mostly stem from the fact that both are Austrians and that both took the same route, playing USHL and NCAA hockey in the USA.

Nodl neither has the talent of Vanek nor is he the same type of player, Vanek is a sniper while Nodl is a playmaker.

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im surprised its taking this long to get to nodl.. from what everyone was saying they were comparing him to vanek... unless JVR, parent, giroux and downie become like 5 time all-stars i have a hard time believing that they'll all surpass a player like vanek (40+ goals). personally ive never seen him play so all of what im basing my opinion on is everyones opinion on this board.

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im surprised its taking this long to get to nodl..

Here's the birthdates for the guys above Nodl (excluding JVR since we all know he's the youngest):

Parent : 3/17/87
Giroux : 1/12/88
Downie : 4/3/87

Nodl : 2/28/87


Notice how Nodl is OLDER than all of them. Yes he had a fine year and may develope into something special but I just think too many of you are fallig all over him because he looked so good as a freshman. Remember , he wasn't even on their top line. Just imagine how impressive Downie or Giroux would have looked going up against the 2nd or 3rd lines in college each night. Imagine just how impressive Parent would have looked going up against 2nd or 3rd line forwards in college this year.

Downie is 2 months younger than Nodl and he will either be making the Flyers or playing for the Phantoms this year. If Nodl was good enough he'd make the Flyers this year or as the very least the Phantoms. He has much further to go before he reaches that status.

Giroux MAY make the Flyers this year but will most likely be sent back to juniors. If he was eligible he certainly COULD make the Phantoms this year. Although Nodl IS eligible, it's doubtful he WILL make the Phantoms. Yes, I know, he'll progress just as much playing in college as he would with the Phantoms and we also don't eat up a year of the rookie contract status but the point is that even without all of that, they would more than likely "choose" Giroux over Nodl at this point right now.

Nodl "may" turn out to be a great player for us, I certainly hope all of you are correct but I just think that even with his high upside, he certainly has a lot further to go to even begin to reach that level.

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im surprised its taking this long to get to nodl.. from what everyone was saying they were comparing him to vanek... unless JVR, parent, giroux and downie become like 5 time all-stars i have a hard time believing that they'll all surpass a player like vanek (40+ goals). personally ive never seen him play so all of what im basing my opinion on is everyones opinion on this board.
I don't think it's bias against Nodl, it's just so hard to tell how his game will translate into the pro game. He's also less visible. I've only seen the clips on the Flyer site, whereas I've seen Downie and Parent dozens of times and Giroux half a dozen. I know they are going to be NHLers for sure and Nodl might end up being the best of all of them in the end - with his size, speed and hockey sense/playmaking.

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The comparisons between Nodl and Vanek mostly stem from the fact that both are Austrians and that both took the same route, playing USHL and NCAA hockey in the USA.

Nodl neither has the talent of Vanek nor is he the same type of player, Vanek is a sniper while Nodl is a playmaker.
nodl may be a playmaker, but he's no slouch at scoring. he's had pretty even goals/assists stats in his career and with his speed and hands could be a great scorer. regardless, i'll admit this is in the basest homer optimism.

i think what i like about nodl the most is that he was able to bounce back after having a bad season. it speaks volumes about his character and resolve that he was able to rebuild his confidence and play.

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Nodl. I havent heard one bad thing about this kid, and when you are mentioned in the same breath as Vanek then well you have to listen.

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Potulny. Nodl is an intriguing prospect, but Potulny actually did a more in his NCAA career. Nodl still has time, but until he either makes the Flyers roster or wins the Hobey Baker (Potulny was a hair away, being #2 in voting), Potulny should be considered the better prospect.

All these Vanek comparisons are silly, BTW. So what if they mention Vanek when they talk about Nodl. It has nothing to do with playing style or talent, but how he came over. They are friends, compatriots, and Vanek helped Nodl out a bit offering him advice on where to go, etc.

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Nodl, any guy who is being compared to Thomas Vanek is going to have some sort of success.
The Vanek comparisons come from these facts: 1) They both are phenomenal skaters 2) They both have good size 3) They both are Austrian

That's about where it ends, their games aren't that similar. Nodl is a great prospect but he isn't a blue chipper like Vanek was. And thats not a knock against Nodl... he's going to be a good player in this league but being compared to Vanek isn't fair for him.

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Here's the birthdates for the guys above Nodl (excluding JVR since we all know he's the youngest):

Parent : 3/17/87
Giroux : 1/12/88
Downie : 4/3/87

Nodl : 2/28/87


Notice how Nodl is OLDER than all of them. Yes he had a fine year and may develope into something special but I just think too many of you are fallig all over him because he looked so good as a freshman. Remember , he wasn't even on their top line. Just imagine how impressive Downie or Giroux would have looked going up against the 2nd or 3rd lines in college each night. Imagine just how impressive Parent would have looked going up against 2nd or 3rd line forwards in college this year.
This post rubbed me the wrong way.

HES LESS THAN 3 FRIGGIN WEEKS OLDER THAN PARENT. Hell he's hardly a month older than Downie. Everyone making a big deal about his age is getting really annoying around here. Even if Nodl was a sophmore, those numbers are still good.

With prospects, we are talking about potential, and Nodl has had a slower start to his career than these other guys. He posted at a PPG clip in his first collegiate season, and is steadily improving. People should watch players or withhold judgment on them to spare everyone else of the negativity/overrating.

Not to mention, you compared him to prospects who everyone here already ranked ahead of Nodl anyway... What exactly is your point? Seems to me he's ranked spot on.

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Potulny...less chances of him busting.

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Giroux is still going to get a look at the start of the season.

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Potulny. Nodl is an intriguing prospect, but Potulny actually did a more in his NCAA career. Nodl still has time, but until he either makes the Flyers roster or wins the Hobey Baker (Potulny was a hair away, being #2 in voting), Potulny should be considered the better prospect.
Wrong. Nodl has at the same age surpassed Potulny's NCAA production

Again, i'll advise people to judge the players based on what they show on the ice, not just the scoresheet. In terms of physical skills and potential Nodl beats Potulny up and down the ice. He's an infinitely better skater, is a better physical specimen already and is still growing, and has better instincts on the ice. Potulny is one dimensional and doesn't do much well other than shoot the puck.

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All these Vanek comparisons are silly, BTW. So what if they mention Vanek when they talk about Nodl. It has nothing to do with playing style or talent, but how he came over. They are friends, compatriots, and Vanek helped Nodl out a bit offering him advice on where to go, etc.
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Wrong. Nodl has at the same age surpassed Potulny's NCAA production

Again, i'll advise people to judge the players based on what they show on the ice, not just the scoresheet.
Didnt you just contradict yourself there?

Lets wait and see how Nodl continues to develope. He had a really nice rookie year, but remember Potulny's rookie year was in Minnesota, the strongest NCAA team in the country and didnt see much ice time. His sophmore year saw an increase, but it wasnt until his Junior year that he was given the ice time and linemates to put up huge numbers that he did. Nodl has been given that chance right off the bat, and has handled it well, but wasnt nearly the dominant player Potulny was his Junior year.

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In terms of physical skills and potential Nodl beats Potulny up and down the ice. He's an infinitely better skater, is a better physical specimen already and is still growing, and has better instincts on the ice. Potulny is one dimensional and doesn't do much well other than shoot the puck.
Nodle is not exactly a two way player, isnt known for his physical play and is something of a PP specialist. Also, dont know how you get that Nodl is a better physical specimin. He has a whopping 1" and 6lbs difference in size over Potulny (BTW, no one really grows much past the age of 20)

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Didnt you just contradict yourself there?

Lets wait and see how Nodl continues to develope. He had a really nice rookie year, but remember Potulny's rookie year was in Minnesota, the strongest NCAA team in the country and didnt see much ice time. His sophmore year saw an increase, but it wasnt until his Junior year that he was given the ice time and linemates to put up huge numbers that he did. Nodl has been given that chance right off the bat, and has handled it well, but wasnt nearly the dominant player Potulny was his Junior year.



Nodle is not exactly a two way player, and is something of a PP specialist.
No. I'm not using Nodl's numbers as a reason he's a better prospect than Potulny. Just pointing out that Potulny's weren't necessarily better as you claimed.

I think Potulny is over rated by Flyer's fans. He isn't going to be a top 6 forward on most teams, and on this one probably won't be a top 9 forward because of the position he plays. Nodl has explosive talent and can play anywhere from lines 1-3 IMO. I know he isn't a defensive specialist but he's a very smart player and players like him can learn defense as it becomes more important as they move up in competition. His physical tools are just much better than Ryan's

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No. I'm not using Nodl's numbers as a reason he's a better prospect than Potulny. Just pointing out that Potulny's weren't necessarily better as you claimed.

I think Potulny is over rated by Flyer's fans. He isn't going to be a top 6 forward on most teams, and on this one probably won't be a top 9 forward because of the position he plays. Nodl has explosive talent and can play anywhere from lines 1-3 IMO. I know he isn't a defensive specialist but he's a very smart player and players like him can learn defense as it becomes more important as they move up in competition. His physical tools are just much better than Ryan's
Please show me where I claimed his numbers were better.

You are kidding yourself if you think Nodl is a top six talent but Potulny isnt. I think you are falling prey to the age old HF bias towards prospects with high potential. Nodl is intriguing because he's done well at a young age, and are extrapolating his career to be a top six winger based on his one year in college. Potulny might be less explosive or have less "potential", but he is already on the cusp of breaking through in the NHL. He probably has a roster spot, and given an opportunity with good linemates will probably be productive. He is a much safer pick, and is much less likely to bust IMO.

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Please show me where I claimed his numbers were better.

You are kidding yourself if you think Nodl is a top six talent but Potulny isnt. I think you are falling prey to the age old HF bias towards prospects with high potential. Nodl is intriguing because he's done well at a young age, and are extrapolating his career to be a top six winger based on his one year in college. Potulny might be less explosive or have less "potential", but he is already on the cusp of breaking through in the NHL. He probably has a roster spot, and given an opportunity with good linemates will probably be productive. He is a much safer pick, and is much less likely to bust IMO.
I thought saying he's done more in the NCAA implied he produced better. Surely you can't fault Nodl for being 3 years younger... so my fault if thats not what you meant.

And i've already described why i feel Nodl is a better prospect. It has little to do with extrapolating his career. Heres a few reasons why i like Nodl better:

Nodl is a way better skater.
Nodl is built better.
Nodl can create offense on his own.

And yeah, i'm talking about potential with Nodl. That's what prospects are all about. I fail to see what Potulny possess that makes him a top 6 player. He doesn't have the tools IMO. And to be clear, i'm not trying to say the players are light years apart. I just like Nodl better, for reasons which i feel are significant.

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And i've already described why i feel Nodl is a better prospect. It has little to do with extrapolating his career. Heres a few reasons why i like Nodl better:

Nodl is a way better skater.
Nodl is built better.
Nodl can create offense on his own.
First off, "built better"? Most up to date records have Potulny at 6'0" and 192 lbs, and Nödl at 6'1" abd 196 lbs. Negligible difference.

Second, you say Nödl can "create offense" but the only thing we have to go off of is NCAA success and what the scouts say. Potulny had tons of success playing in the hardest division of D-1. Scouts were praising his offensive awareness, and his ability to find the back of the net from anywhere on the ice but it hasn't exactly translated. Who's to say the same exact thing won't happen with Nödl?
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And yeah, i'm talking about potential with Nodl. That's what prospects are all about. I fail to see what Potulny possess that makes him a top 6 player. He doesn't have the tools IMO. And to be clear, i'm not trying to say the players are light years apart. I just like Nodl better, for reasons which i feel are significant.
Potulny was a top six player in our eyes, but hasn't made the seamless transition that some of us would like. At least with him, though, he can carve out a career as a third liner forward. With Nödl, he either makes it as a top-six winger, or busts. There's no in between with him.

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I just look at Potunly and I don't see one thing he can do, that Nodl won't be able to do better.

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Potulny was a top six player in our eyes, but hasn't made the seamless transition that some of us would like. At least with him, though, he can carve out a career as a third liner forward. With Nödl, he either makes it as a top-six winger, or busts. There's no in between with him.
Nodl is either a top 6 winger or bust, but Potulny can carve out a 3rd line role? Based on what? Potulny looks really small on the ice (I doubt he's really 6'), he's slow for the NHL, and shows no indication of being a good enough checker.

At this point, Potulny is as likely to be a career AHLer, like Peter White - with the occasional call up if he marries Holmgren's daughter, as he is to be an NHL regular. This is his make or break camp.

When you are talking 'prospect' you are projecting top end - or else why bother?

At least Nodl projects to a potential top 6 winger 2 or 3 years from now - I don't see Potulny in the NHL at all by the time Nodl makes the team - I certainly don't ever see him as a 2C anywhere in the league.

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Potulny...less chances of him busting.
That's why he got my vote. I'm a big Nodl fan, but as far as "prospects" go, Potulny's ahead of him for right now. My list looks like this:

1) Parent
2) Giroux
3) JVR
4) Downie
5) Potulny
6) Ruzicka
7) Nodl
8) Cabana
9) Bartulis
10) Ratchuk

I don't really view Picard as a prospect anymore because he's played 68 total games for the Flyers and was on the roster for basically all of last season. Same goes for Braydon Coburn, as he already showed at the end of last season that he's a damn good player and will be with the Flyers this upcoming season no matter what.

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