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01-05-2004, 08:05 PM
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Power forwards not meeting expectations this year

Look at all the big forwards this year. Many arent producing as much as they could.
Thornton, Bertuzzi, O'neil, Iginla,....

What do they have in common? wearing opponents like backpacks and the NHL ignores the issue.

Guys like Tkachuk and Shanahan are succeeding mostly because their teams' power play is good.

Conspiracy Theory: The NHL is allowing this continue in order to get a better bargining position for CBA negotiations. A poor NHL product could get them more concessions from the NHLPA. Far fetched, yes but its an interesting notion.


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That's odd, cause the Stars 3 best forwards are all powerforwards, well, to some extent.

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Guerin, Morrow, Modano?

You really consider Modano a powerforward?

I dunno.

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Guerin, Morrow, Modano?

You really consider Modano a powerforward?

I dunno.
Arnott, bro.. Modano shouldn't even be mentioned as one of the Stars best this year.

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You said Dallas' 3 best forwards... you never said this year.

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You said Dallas' 3 best forwards... you never said this year.
Ok my bad, but still, Lehtinen is the Stars best forward and he has nothing on a powerforward, some logic thinking and you'd get there..

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Nice... when Modano's a scoring machine... he's a God.

But, when he struggles... you poke fun at his hairline.


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Nice... when Modano's a scoring machine... he's a God.

But, when he struggles... you poke fun at his hairline.

He remains my favorite, but he sure as hell has not deserved my praises this year, too bad I couldn't sport Modano = Dud for more then one day.

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Tkachuk is producing because he is dominating and taking over games, not because of the power play.

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Well..Thornoton is playing better lately but....

He did spend more than 1/3 of this season trying to get attention of the refs to the hooking and holding issues. (Same goes to Murray although he is not a PF of course)

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Iginla is about where he should be. His season 2 years ago was an aberration that sometimes happens in this league. He is still a very talented player, but not the superstar some would like to think.

Thornton is below expectations mostly because a) he's still young and is struggling to find consistency, b) is more worried about what others do to him than what he can do to them, and c) needs a coach to light a fire under him and demand more. Like Bertuzzi before him, he'll mature to a point where he is a big part of every shift.

Speaking of whom, Bertuzzi is very carefully marked this season because opposing teams have to watch either him or Naslund and it's frankly a little easier to get Bert of his game than Naslund. Having said that he is contributing far more as a complete player this season.

Shanahan is slowing down a little and showing some signs of age, but as a veteran he now knows where he fits best. Ditto for John Leclair although in his case it's injuries more than age.

Tkachuk, Guerin, and Roberts are doing just fine.

No reason to pick on the power forwards, there are just as many (if not more) skill forwards who are slumping and mediocre.

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Pyatt. persoanlly
So what exactly did you expect from Pyatt at 22 years old??

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i'm still surprised at what people call powerforwards. you can count the number of powerforwards in this league on your fingers.

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I ragged on Shanahan for his lackluster play in the first 12 or 13 games or so, but hes' really picked it up as of late and not just because the powerplay. He's been playing physical, backchecking, fighting, and going to the net. Though he's stopped taking his one timer as much which makes me think that he might have a wrist or elbow problem Shanahan is still a threat to score from anywhere around the net.

Shanahan has been our 2nd or 3rd best player on many nights over the last 20 games or so, so I really can't complain about him now.

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Bertuzzi has not had a good first half offensivly, but Todd has always been a second-half kind of player. He has improved in his backchecking somewhat, so if he can crank things up in the second half of the season for the Canucks, I don't think the team will have a problem.

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The Leafs two big name power forwards-Nolan and Roberts have both been very good for them.

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Tkachuk is producing because he is dominating and taking over games, not because of the power play.
Agreed...Tkachuk looks awesome this year. Then again, he looked awesome last year but nobody noticed because he was hurt for much of the season. Still my choice for most underrated dominant force in the game just because it seems so many people hate him for his personality or the large contract he's received in the past.

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Agreed...Tkachuk looks awesome this year. Then again, he looked awesome last year but nobody noticed because he was hurt for much of the season. Still my choice for most underrated dominant force in the game just because it seems so many people hate him for his personality or the large contract he's received in the past.
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Look at all the big forwards this year. Many arent producing as much as they could.
Thornton, Bertuzzi, O'neil, Iginla,....

What do they have in common? wearing opponents like backpacks and the NHL ignores the issue.
Well, I think you're overly generous with your power forward title. Some of these guys I would not qualify as power forwards.

And there's no conspiracy. The NHL screws a few things up each and every year, whether a new CBA needs to be put in place or not.

Also, I don't think strong players are the only victims of hooking/obstruction/etc. It affects many players, particularly the go-to guys of the various teams because they are more carefully covered.

As far as strong forwards are concerned, one bright surprise is Rick Nash. Doing much better than I imagined he would this year. And in the big guys struggling this year, add Lecavalier.

Iginla is doing particularly well lately. Racking up points again tonight. By season's end, his production should be more than acceptable, IMO.

Thornton and Bertuzzi are having a disapointing season. O'Neill sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner and I never liked him. Still, even he has somewhat of an excuse as it seems NOBODY can really put up points on the pathetic Canes.

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hmm I wonder who are the 'power forwards' in the NHL then, if some of the ones I mentioned are not. All of them use their strength/size to create offense, which is what I think a power forward is.


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Here are Forecaster's top power forwards from this season so far:

Power forwards: Top scorers with at least 100 penalty minutes (on pace).

GP Pts PIM (PIM On Pace)
1. Marc Savard , Atl (C) 31 41 61 134
2. Keith Tkachuk, StL (LW) 33 38 48 111
3. Todd Bertuzzi, Van (RW) 41 37 57 114
4. Brendan Shanahan, Det (LW/RW) 43 34 76 145
5. Jarome Iginla, Cgy (RW) 39 33 52 109
6. Bill Guerin, Dal (RW) 42 32 57 111
7. Owen Nolan, Tor (RW) 38 28 77 154
8. Bobby Holik, NYR (C) 39 27 58 122
9. Gary Roberts, Tor (LW) 40 27 52 104
10. Rick Nash, CBJ (LW) 40 27 50 102

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Shane Doan's game has exploded this year. He may not have the penalty minute totals of some of the others but he is definately a power forward.

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Shane Doan's game has exploded this year. He may not have the penalty minute totals of some of the others but he is definately a power forward.
Thats what makes Doan so great. He uses his size and strength as well as any power forward in the league but he's a very intelligent player who doesn't take many bad penalties.

An 80 point power forward who stays out of the penalty box. That's a rare find.

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people around here seem to think any forward with size classifies them as a powerforward.

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