Getting back to Gretzky's assist totals, something that just struck me.
On top of Gretz having 11 100-assist seasons to Orr's 1 and Lemieux's 1, if you take Gretzky's 80-game average for assists over the course of his career (~106), only one player has ever had a single season with more assists than Gretzky's career average (Lemieux with 114 in 1988-89). To me, that is absolutely mind-boggling.
Anything with Gretzky and assists.
- His 11 100-Assist seasons are more than anyone else has 100-POINT seasons (Mario has 10). Plus they were all consecutive.
- 1963 Assists, more than next highest point total
- 163 Assists more than Lemieux's point total from that season, and even Gretzky never really got that close to this one in other seasons (135 is kind of close, but not exactly in striking distance)
I would say that no team will ever beat the least amount of wins.
The 1974-75 capitals only had 8 wins in a season. There are shootouts nowadays that help bad teams win. Plus with salary caps and stuff..
Another record that is untouchable is 446 goals in a season by a team.
Agreed. Unless goaltending goes backwards, Hall's record will not be broken. But the scoring records could fall because you have to account for the possibility of significant future changes in the game. Scoring could go up dramatically, and Gretz's records would no longer be safe.
As far as talent is concerned, who's to say there won't be a player along who has lots more talent and physical gifts than Gretz?? I would bet dollars to donuts that someone more talented will come along. Someone always does. Imagine for a second a player with Gretzky's vision, touch, and accuracy, plus things Gretz didn't have - the speed of a Bure or a Gaborik,the athleticism and the size of Michael Jordan. How many goals would that guy score even in today's NHL?
With all due respect to NHL players, the best athletes in North America are playing football, basketball and baseball. The NHL draws its players from a relatively small pool of talent in North America - Canada and the white, middle-class kids living predominantly in the northeastern U.S. Imagine what kind of records would be set if the NHL was the most popular sport in the United States. All those running backs, linebackers, corners, point guards are incredible athletes, and most of those skills would translate beautifully to hockey.
What about a million other guys who never made it in basketball/football/baseball, but whose skill set and build was perfect for hockey, only they never tried it? One reason I've always wanted hockey to become more popular is because I want the best U.S. athletes playing hockey. It would look like a completely different game.
I agree with this, but I think many Gretzky records are still unbreakable. You are right about point totals, but things like leading the league in assists 16 times? That kind of thing ignores totals, and requires you to just be way better at playmaking than everyone else you play against for over 1 1/2 decades. It combines longevity, elite play, and the total domination of one's peers.
That being said, 502 consecutive starts for a goaltender won't be beaten ever. That is the most unbreakable. Gretzky's 16 assist leading seasons is probably 2nd. I actually think Orr's +124 is very over rated (Robinson was +119 or +121 or something, which is pretty close).
Gretzky's points records are not unbeatable. The game hasn't been around for that long and has a much longer future than it has a past. We have NO IDEA who's coming, so saying that a points record is the most unbeatable one is kind of ridiculous.
Something like Mosienko's hat trick has more to do with luck than anything else. Maybe it will never be broken, but it most certainly could be. Imagine how fast Gaborik could score three goals if everything worked itself out.
With Hall's record, nobody will even be given the chance to beat it now that teams carry more than one goalie. That record is as safe as they come.
What's most interesting about this is that 10 years ago I would have said that Sawchuk's shutout record was as safe as Gretzky's points record. Within a year and a half at most it will be Brodeurs...
Great post! That was pretty much exactly what I was thinking.
Ian Turnbull's record of 5 goals in a game for a defenseman for Toronto in February 1977- I can't imagine any defenseman scoring 6 goals in the modern NHL era.
At the other end of the ice, Ron Loustel of the Winnipeg Jets conceded 10 goals on his NHL debut against the Vancouver Cunacks in March 1981. If a goalkeeper conceded half of that amount during their debut game, the manager would pull them off the ice, so I don't see this record being broken either.
Bourque's 1579 points as a defensemen deserves mention. No active player is remotely close, and any of the young high-scoring D men coming up today would have to score around 80 points a year until they're 40 years old to equal or beat it.
Not saying Bourque as a young player starting out now could do it either in this game - it's just another high scoring era record that may be untouchable?
There's at least a dozen or two of Gretzky's that I am certain won't be touched in any of
I'll go with 50 in 39.
I agree that Gretzky has a lot of records that probably won't be broken barring some massive rule changes. And Gretzky himself said he felt 50 in 39 was going to be the hardest to beat.
Personally though, I think his 16 times leading the league in assists, his 163 assists in a season, his 11 consecutive 100+ assist seasons, and his career assists will all be harder to break. No one has come even remotely close to any of these. Gretzky had 50 in 42, Lemieux and Neely had 50 in 44, and others have been in the ball park. Then again, looking at that you might be right. 50 in 44 really isn't close to 50 in 39.