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06-09-2012, 10:57 AM
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Getting back to Gretzky's assist totals, something that just struck me.

On top of Gretz having 11 100-assist seasons to Orr's 1 and Lemieux's 1, if you take Gretzky's 80-game average for assists over the course of his career (~106), only one player has ever had a single season with more assists than Gretzky's career average (Lemieux with 114 in 1988-89). To me, that is absolutely mind-boggling.
Anything with Gretzky and assists.
- His 11 100-Assist seasons are more than anyone else has 100-POINT seasons (Mario has 10). Plus they were all consecutive.
- 1963 Assists, more than next highest point total
- 163 Assists more than Lemieux's point total from that season, and even Gretzky never really got that close to this one in other seasons (135 is kind of close, but not exactly in striking distance)

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06-09-2012, 12:21 PM
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Playing as long as Gordie Howe.

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06-09-2012, 03:23 PM
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Bobby Orr's Two Art Ross Trophies.

For the simple fact that all numbers records can be broken due to time, technology, medicine, etc, etc, etc.

Paul Coffey is the only other D-Man in NHL history to finish Top 2 in league scoring, he finished 2nd in 1983-84.


So, some other D-Man would have to go on a tear and win 3 Art Rosses when only one guy has been in the Top 2 more than once.

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06-10-2012, 03:23 PM
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I would say that no team will ever beat the least amount of wins.
The 1974-75 capitals only had 8 wins in a season. There are shootouts nowadays that help bad teams win. Plus with salary caps and stuff..

Another record that is untouchable is 446 goals in a season by a team.

Oh and George Hainsworth's 22 shoutouts.

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06-11-2012, 01:21 AM
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Agreed. Unless goaltending goes backwards, Hall's record will not be broken. But the scoring records could fall because you have to account for the possibility of significant future changes in the game. Scoring could go up dramatically, and Gretz's records would no longer be safe.

As far as talent is concerned, who's to say there won't be a player along who has lots more talent and physical gifts than Gretz?? I would bet dollars to donuts that someone more talented will come along. Someone always does. Imagine for a second a player with Gretzky's vision, touch, and accuracy, plus things Gretz didn't have - the speed of a Bure or a Gaborik,the athleticism and the size of Michael Jordan. How many goals would that guy score even in today's NHL?

With all due respect to NHL players, the best athletes in North America are playing football, basketball and baseball. The NHL draws its players from a relatively small pool of talent in North America - Canada and the white, middle-class kids living predominantly in the northeastern U.S. Imagine what kind of records would be set if the NHL was the most popular sport in the United States. All those running backs, linebackers, corners, point guards are incredible athletes, and most of those skills would translate beautifully to hockey.

What about a million other guys who never made it in basketball/football/baseball, but whose skill set and build was perfect for hockey, only they never tried it? One reason I've always wanted hockey to become more popular is because I want the best U.S. athletes playing hockey. It would look like a completely different game.
I agree with this, but I think many Gretzky records are still unbreakable. You are right about point totals, but things like leading the league in assists 16 times? That kind of thing ignores totals, and requires you to just be way better at playmaking than everyone else you play against for over 1 1/2 decades. It combines longevity, elite play, and the total domination of one's peers.

That being said, 502 consecutive starts for a goaltender won't be beaten ever. That is the most unbreakable. Gretzky's 16 assist leading seasons is probably 2nd. I actually think Orr's +124 is very over rated (Robinson was +119 or +121 or something, which is pretty close).

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06-11-2012, 01:23 AM
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How about the New York Islanders 19 consecutive playoff series victories.
I second this stat. It's one of my favorites and in today's NHL, it ain't ever going to be done again.

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06-11-2012, 03:12 AM
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Glenn Hall's consecutive games record.

Gretzky's points records are not unbeatable. The game hasn't been around for that long and has a much longer future than it has a past. We have NO IDEA who's coming, so saying that a points record is the most unbeatable one is kind of ridiculous.

Something like Mosienko's hat trick has more to do with luck than anything else. Maybe it will never be broken, but it most certainly could be. Imagine how fast Gaborik could score three goals if everything worked itself out.

With Hall's record, nobody will even be given the chance to beat it now that teams carry more than one goalie. That record is as safe as they come.

What's most interesting about this is that 10 years ago I would have said that Sawchuk's shutout record was as safe as Gretzky's points record. Within a year and a half at most it will be Brodeurs...
Great post! That was pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

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06-11-2012, 03:24 AM
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Anyone think Dave Schultz's record of 472 penalty minutes in a single season can be broken in the game as it is today?

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06-11-2012, 07:19 AM
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Anyone think Dave Schultz's record of 472 penalty minutes in a single season can be broken in the game as it is today?

The closest in the last 20 years was Donald Brashear with 100 less.

Daniel Carcillo had 324 just 5 years ago. So I think it probably will be broken but man... 1974-75 eh?

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06-11-2012, 08:59 AM
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Combing regular season & playoffs...

Career Goals
1. Wayne Gretzky - 1,016 (1,695 GP)
2. Gordie Howe - 869 (1,924 GP)

Career Assists
1. Wayne Gretzky - 2,223 (1,695 GP)
2. Mark Messier - 1,379 (1,992 GP)

Career Points
1. Wayne Gretzky - 3,239
2. Mark Messier - 2,182 (1,992 GP)

I can't tell which is more mind biggling: the sheer totals, the disparity between them and the next best total, or in how far fewer games he did so relative to those holding the No. 2 spots?

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06-11-2012, 04:20 PM
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When you cant beat one of the NHL records in a Video Game you know it is a good record. I can never beat Gretzky's 163 assists in NHL 08.
I had no problem beating those records (and I don't even play video games anymore).

My created player had like 800 points in one season.

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09-28-2013, 03:52 AM
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My suggestions:

Ian Turnbull's record of 5 goals in a game for a defenseman for Toronto in February 1977- I can't imagine any defenseman scoring 6 goals in the modern NHL era.

At the other end of the ice, Ron Loustel of the Winnipeg Jets conceded 10 goals on his NHL debut against the Vancouver Cunacks in March 1981. If a goalkeeper conceded half of that amount during their debut game, the manager would pull them off the ice, so I don't see this record being broken either.

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09-28-2013, 05:38 AM
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Glenn Hall's game streak is impossible due to the nature of goalkeeping.

Gretzky and his point/assist totals. Goals might be doable, albeit insanely hard.

All this considering the game rules remain close to what they are today.

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09-28-2013, 01:14 PM
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Gretzky's career assists at 1,963.

Those alone are more than 2nd all-time scorer has total points (Messier 1,887).

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09-28-2013, 01:28 PM
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Most Goals by a Rookie: 76 - Teemu Selanne in 1992/93

Fastest 3 Goals Ever Scored: 21 Seconds - Bill Mosienko 1952

Most Shots Faced & Saves Made in Regulation Time by a Goalie: 83 -
Sam Lopresti in 1941 playing for Chicago in a 3-2 loss to the Bruins.
Son Pete Lopresti played in the NHL in the 70's...

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10-01-2013, 09:49 AM
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Pick a Gretzky record, most of them won't be touched.

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10-01-2013, 04:32 PM
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There's at least a dozen or two of Gretzky's that I am certain won't be touched in any of
our lifetimes

I'll go with 50 in 39.

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10-02-2013, 04:23 PM
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Bourque's 1579 points as a defensemen deserves mention. No active player is remotely close, and any of the young high-scoring D men coming up today would have to score around 80 points a year until they're 40 years old to equal or beat it.

Not saying Bourque as a young player starting out now could do it either in this game - it's just another high scoring era record that may be untouchable?

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10-04-2013, 03:50 AM
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There's at least a dozen or two of Gretzky's that I am certain won't be touched in any of
our lifetimes

I'll go with 50 in 39.
I agree that Gretzky has a lot of records that probably won't be broken barring some massive rule changes. And Gretzky himself said he felt 50 in 39 was going to be the hardest to beat.

Personally though, I think his 16 times leading the league in assists, his 163 assists in a season, his 11 consecutive 100+ assist seasons, and his career assists will all be harder to break. No one has come even remotely close to any of these. Gretzky had 50 in 42, Lemieux and Neely had 50 in 44, and others have been in the ball park. Then again, looking at that you might be right. 50 in 44 really isn't close to 50 in 39.

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10-04-2013, 08:56 AM
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Barring a schedule change, no one can break Luongo's starting all 41 home games last season.
Same goes for the Sens' 41 road losses in the 92-93 season.

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Any record is breakable... except Hall's consecutive starts.

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What made Hall's consecutive starts record possible? If a coach allowed it, could a current goalie starts 503 games in a row?

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Ken Doraty's 3 OT goals in one OT period

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Gretzky's 16 times leading the league in assists (or someone of his other "peer records")

Who knows how the rules will change and how much goals will be scored in the future? But I don't think we'll see a player that superior to his peers again.

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Eddie Shore 5 fighting majors in 1 game....that will never be broken

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