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01-05-2004, 08:24 PM
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WAS/TO Proposal

TO TO: Gonchar

TO WSH: Kaberle, Colia, 1st round pick 04'

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01-05-2004, 08:38 PM
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TO TO: Gonchar

TO WSH: Kaberle, Colia, 1st round pick 04'
NEVER!!

Sell the future for 1 player especially in the '04 draft which looks to be fairly deep???

NO WAY!! Gonchar is NOT the answer.

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wow why not ask for Sundin as well.. not a chance

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yeah...

Gonchar really SUCKS man!

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yeah...

Gonchar really SUCKS man!
Well if you say so... neither myself nor the other poster said that at all.. .. you actually think this deal is fair to the Leafs?!? You don't think the Leafs would be over paying just a tad?

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No.

I wouldn't deal Colaiacovo for Gonchar... just because of the age factor and that Sergei's not the type of defenseman this club needs. Giving up a 20 year old kid who's turned out to be a star in the AHL in his rookie season for a purely offensive defenseman is not something I'd do... especially since we're getting great offense from the back end already.

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Speaking as a Caps fan, Gonchar's value to the team is too high (because the Caps don't have enough true NHL d-men as it is), and any GM wanting to trade for him would have to overpay.
Looking at it from a more objective perspective, this is the kind of trade you make only when you think the player you're acquiring is the last piece of the puzzle... and I don't don't see the Leafs viewing Gonch as that.
I think we can safely bury this proposal...

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wouldnt it make more sense for the caps to go for gautheir/therien/even zhitnik/mckee than any offensive Dman or forwards?

they have 2 real NHL dman. the rest i couldnt name.

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Ya, but what are they going to move?

Youth?

No... they're rebuilding.

And they have almost nothing on the current roster worth any value.

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Ya, but what are they going to move?

Youth?

No... they're rebuilding.

And they have almost nothing on the current roster worth any value.
Lang, bondra, kolzig, grier.

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Blah!

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Lang, bondra, kolzig, grier.
Lang's getting old (33) and he is inconsistent. I doubt either Buffalo (Zhitnik/McKee) or Calgary (Gauthier) would take on a $5.0M salary.

Bondra's 36... he's gone from 81 points ('00-'01), to 70 ('01-'02), to 56 ('02-'03), and is on pace for just under 50 this season. He also comes with a $4.5M price tag.

Mike Grier went from Edmonton to Washington for a couple picks (2nd and 3rd)... and he's just 2 years older... hasn't improved statistically.

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Lang's getting old (33) and he is inconsistent. I doubt either Buffalo (Zhitnik/McKee) or Calgary (Gauthier) would take on a $5.0M salary.

Bondra's 36... he's gone from 81 points ('00-'01), to 70 ('01-'02), to 56 ('02-'03), and is on pace for just under 50 this season. He also comes with a $4.5M price tag.

Mike Grier went from Edmonton to Washington for a couple picks (2nd and 3rd)... and he's just 2 years older... hasn't improved statistically.
erm ok, i didnt actually want any of them btw, just telling you that they are trade bait, maybe useful to one team or another.

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Lang's getting old (33) and he is inconsistent. I doubt either Buffalo (Zhitnik/McKee) or Calgary (Gauthier) would take on a $5.0M salary.

Bondra's 36... he's gone from 81 points ('00-'01), to 70 ('01-'02), to 56 ('02-'03), and is on pace for just under 50 this season. He also comes with a $4.5M price tag.

Mike Grier went from Edmonton to Washington for a couple picks (2nd and 3rd)... and he's just 2 years older... hasn't improved statistically.
Or...
Lang is leading the NHL in scoring last time that I looked. While 33 is older than 23, his contract runs thru his 35th year. There is not indication that this late bloomer who has far fewer NHL games than his age would lead you to believe is about to go over the hill. You may have noticed that most top NHL skill players play at or near the top of their games well past 35 years old.

Bondra's point totals drop off based largely on his assist numbers. His assists come from those who score off of his rebounds and deflecting his shot. He has never been been a passer. He is a pure shooter. He ranks 4th in the NHL in goals since 1991. He had 30 last year and is pacing for 30 again this year. there were 30 NHL players with 30 goals last year and there are fewer than 30 pacing for that this year. there are currently 13 NHL teams that don't have a player with 15 goals yet.

All that said...I don't think the Capitals are going to trade any of these players.

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TO TO: Gonchar

TO WSH: Kaberle, Colia, 1st round pick 04'
A Gonchar trade is possible, and Toronto is a candidate -- but not for that much. Trading Kaberle is counter-productive for Toronto. He's struggling a bit this year, but he has been consistent for the previous 2-3 yrs and doesn't make too much $ ($2.75mil). On the hand, to suggest that Gonchar isn't worth Coliacovo is a bit ridiculous.

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01-07-2004, 05:44 AM
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Or...
Lang is leading the NHL in scoring last time that I looked. While 33 is older than 23, his contract runs thru his 35th year. There is not indication that this late bloomer who has far fewer NHL games than his age would lead you to believe is about to go over the hill. You may have noticed that most top NHL skill players play at or near the top of their games well past 35 years old.
Since establishing himself as an NHL regular (1998-99, age 28), Robert Lang has been averaging around 67 points a season. This, playing on a team with...

Jaromir Jagr - averaged 115 points during playing time w/ Lang.
Martin Straka - averaged 82 points during playing time w/ Lang.
Alexei Kovalev - average 80 points during playing time w/ Lang.

Robert Lang has never been a top player... he's always been inconsistent and with the upcoming CBA strike, I highly doubt any team would take on a $5.0M contract (w/ 3 full years left), especially since the player is not a proven playoff performer (22 points through 51 games). The guy's overachieving... most of his points are coming on the powerplay (24 of 46), you can put a guy like Darcy Tucker on a PP unit with Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra, and Sergei Gonchar and he'll manage to do as well as Lang is now.


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Bondra's point totals drop off based largely on his assist numbers. His assists come from those who score off of his rebounds and deflecting his shot. He has never been been a passer. He is a pure shooter. He ranks 4th in the NHL in goals since 1991. He had 30 last year and is pacing for 30 again this year. there were 30 NHL players with 30 goals last year and there are fewer than 30 pacing for that this year. there are currently 13 NHL teams that don't have a player with 15 goals yet.

All that said...I don't think the Capitals are going to trade any of these players.
Peter Bondra's a 36 year old inconsistent sniper.

Since the 1995/96 season, he's managed to improve his point totals from one season to another just once... his goal totals, twice... and his assist totals, twice.


Points...

1995-96: 80
1996-97: 77 (-3)
1997-98: 78 (+1)
1998-99: 55 (-23)
1999-00: 38 (-17)
2000-01: 81 (+43)
2001-02: 70 (-11)
2002-03: 56 (-14)

Goals...

1995-96: 52
1996-97: 46 (-6)
1997-98: 52 (+6)
1998-99: 31 (-21)
1999-00: 21 (-10)
2000-01: 45 (+24)
2001-02: 39 (-6)
2002-03: 30 (-9)

Assists...

1995-96: 28
1996-97: 31 (+3)
1997-98: 26 (-5)
1998-99: 24 (-2)
1999-00: 17 (-7)
2000-01: 36 (+19)
2001-02: 31 (-5)
2002-03: 26 (-5)


He's been a great scorer throughout his career, but I don't think there's a market for 36 year old, inconsistent snipers out there. Once again, the apparent CBA strike drops his stock even more... especially considering what a guy like Alexei Kovalev went for.

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Umm...watch some Caps games before making

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Originally Posted by go pierre hedin
The guy's overachieving... most of his points are coming on the powerplay (24 of 46), you can put a guy like Darcy Tucker on a PP unit with Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra, and Sergei Gonchar and he'll manage to do as well as Lang is now.
OUTLANDISH statements like these. The fact is that LANG has been dominating, and Jagr and Gonchar have been the beneficiary of Langs play this year, not the other way around. This is the first time in Lang's career that he's been the go to guy offensively.

The idea that Tucker could do as well playing with the other Caps mentioned is just a foolish comment.

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Since establishing himself as an NHL regular (1998-99, age 28), Robert Lang has been averaging around 67 points a season. This, playing on a team with...

Jaromir Jagr - averaged 115 points during playing time w/ Lang.
Martin Straka - averaged 82 points during playing time w/ Lang.
Alexei Kovalev - average 80 points during playing time w/ Lang.

Robert Lang has never been a top player... he's always been inconsistent and with the upcoming CBA strike, I highly doubt any team would take on a $5.0M contract (w/ 3 full years left), especially since the player is not a proven playoff performer (22 points through 51 games). The guy's overachieving... most of his points are coming on the powerplay (24 of 46), you can put a guy like Darcy Tucker on a PP unit with Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra, and Sergei Gonchar and he'll manage to do as well as Lang is now.
You're right, Lang wasn't a top player in Pittsburgh. He wasn't the top line pivot, Straka was. And when Straka wasn't, Kip Miller of all people was. Lang played 2nd line C, sometimes even 3rd or 4th depending on his play. So saying that Lang was only able to average 67 points per game with Jagr, Straka and Kovalev is completely misleading. He hardly ever played on a line with any of them, except a few times on the 5 Forward PP unit they had there for a bit. Lang has never been the go-to guy until he came to Washington. While he was a bit of a wash his first season in Washington, this season he is locked in at 1st line pivot on both even strength and PP units. And while he has cooled off a little since Xmas, he's still leading the league in scoring (tied right now with Naslund and Kovalchuk). While Bondra and Jagr have had their ups and downs in productivity this season, Lang has been cruising at a steady point per game clip.

Sure, he may cool down even more and falter in the long run, but as of now, he's our most consistent player on the team. Even when the rest of the team is slumping and dogging it, he still produces. That is not inconsistency.

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Gonchar

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yeah...

Gonchar really SUCKS man!


Gonchar would be an excellent addition for Toronto but only for the price of Antropov and Jay Harrison or one of their other defensive prospects.

Gonchar is an excellent player his PP skills are tremendous. I can see that you may not like his +/- that's due to him playing on the caps and 29 of his 39 P being PPP.

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what about a package for Bondra? he's the ONLY player on the caps I really want

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