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09-05-2007, 12:56 AM
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Who is the greatest goal scorer to ever play?

Mine is 66.

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Gretzky. When he wanted to score goals, he did so at will.

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09-05-2007, 01:14 AM
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Gretzky. When he wanted to score goals, he did so at will.
So he didnt want to the last 11 years of his career because he only had one 50 goal season.

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09-05-2007, 01:18 AM
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I'll say Bobby Hull, though it is hard not to take Gretzky.

I'd go for a top 10:

Bobby Hull
Wayne Gretzky
Mario Lemieux
Rocket Richard
Mike Bossy
Gordie Howe
Phil Esposito
Brett Hull
Guy Lafleur
Jari Kurri

HM Dionne, Mahovlich, Geoffrion, Beliveau, Bure

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09-05-2007, 01:20 AM
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I would also say bossy,bure,esposito, hull were all very good as well.

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09-05-2007, 01:29 AM
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So he didnt want to the last 11 years of his career because he only had one 50 goal season.
You're gonna complain about a guy who scored nearly 900 NHL goals, alot of them on crummy teams, had a 92-goal season with 50 of them in 39, you know all these things and yet you could sit here in denial of them?

The guy scored over 1000 pro goals including 122 in the playoffs.

Best goal scorer ever. Period.

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09-05-2007, 01:34 AM
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Charlie Conacher, Newsy Lalonde, Babe Dye, Joe Malone and Nels Stewart weren't bad either.

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09-05-2007, 01:39 AM
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You're gonna complain about a guy who scored nearly 900 NHL goals, alot of them on crummy teams, had a 92-goal season with 50 of them in 39, you know all these things and yet you could sit here in denial of them?

The guy scored over 1000 pro goals including 122 in the playoffs.

Best goal scorer ever. Period.
He also played a lot more games then Mario did. If mario played 1400 games 87 less then gretzky he would have had 1050 goals or was at least on pace for that amount. Mario also played on bad teams starting with his first three years in the league. He had 50 in his teams 44 game in 1989. 66 was also a penalty shot machine scoring on his first 7 or 8.

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09-05-2007, 02:04 AM
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It's tough to say, I'll have to do a random top-10 not in order:

gretzky
lemieux
hull sr.
richard
bossy
conacher
esposito
howe
hull jr.
bure

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09-05-2007, 02:07 AM
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It's a very tough call between Charlie Conacher, Newsy Lalonde, Bobby Hull and Wayne Gretzky.

Conacher may have actually had a harder shot than Hull, hard to say what his slapshot could have done. Hull put the fear of God into goalies and forced the adoption of the mask. Gretzky's peak was just absurd and Lalonde set the career record for major pro goals playing about 20 games a season and it stood for about 35 years. (There's no official start to his record, the only word I can find is that between 1910 and 1954 no one scored more goals than Lalonde.)

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If the title of the thread was about the "Most Feared" goal scorer versus "Greatest" I would say the answer is Bobby Hull. As a kid growing up in Chicago watching the Hawks in the Old Stadium, I once saw Hull put a puck through the boards with a slapshot (during warmups). The sound of his shot echoing off the boards in the cavernous old Stadium arena was like a sonic boom. I would have to say however that the Greatest pure goal scorer was Mario Lemieux. He was almost unstoppable, especially in the clutch.

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09-05-2007, 02:32 AM
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I've never seen a player better able to manipulate the puck or a defender better than Lemieux.

I don't know what that means, but that's my opinion.

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I'll go with Bossy or Lemieux. If they had the puck anywhere inside the offensive zone, they had a chance of scoring.

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Gretzky. Could score almost at will from anywhere in the zone... including behind the net. Until someone scores more than 92 in a year (or 50 in 39 for that matter), projections, potential, etc etc just won't convince me.

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09-05-2007, 10:15 AM
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My top ten list (NHL only):

1. Bobby Hull- led the league in goals seven times; arguably the hardest shooter ever; tied the single-season goal-scoring record in '62, set a new record in '66, then broke his own record in '69; yes, I still rank Hull #1 even without his WHA career considered; underrated playoff performer was let down by Chicago's weak depth
2. Mario Lemieux - the most talented player on this list and the best stickhandler; when I think of a player who could simply will himself to score a goal, I think of Lemieux
3. Wayne Gretzky - probably had a higher peak than any player on this list; for all the talk about him slowing down with age, he still scored at a 56-goal pace in the playoffs, on a weak team, at age 36
4. Gordie Howe - underrated as a goal-scorer; led the league in goals just as often as Richard, though was much less flashy; amazing consistency gives him the edge
5. Rocket Richard - the ultimate playoff performer; scored often and at key times in the playoffs; 50-in-50 is overrated due to playing in the watered-down WW2 league, but 45-in-60 a couple of years later was his true crowning achievement
6. Phil Esposito - very balanced; probably ranks in the top five in both peak and career value; strong playoff performer; could score garbage goals better than anybody on this list
7. Mike Bossy - another player who could seemingly will himself to score; phenomenal playoff record; benefited from having entire career in a high-scoring era, but, still distanced himself from the pack considerably
8. Charlie Conacher - led the league in goals five times as a tough power forward; somewhat disappointing playoff record, and low margin of victory do work against him, though
9. Brett Hull - his three-year peak was as good as anybody's; underrated playoff performer- he had scored at a 56-goal pace in the playoffs before becoming a key contributor on two Cup-winning teams; huge drop in production without Oates, though
10. Bernie Geoffrion - a surprise pick, but his playoff performance gives him the edge; retired 4th in playoff goals; led the league in goals four times (regular season and playoffs combined); tied the single-season record for goals and was one shot away from tying the playoff record for goals

Not a lot seperating them, and there are many close calls. Some players who spent most or all of their careers in other leagues (Cook, Kharlamov, Lalonde) would probably be on the list had I not included the NHL-only restriction.


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09-05-2007, 10:24 AM
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In terms of best goal scorer....Mike Bossy.Longetivity though, you can't go against Gretzky's 894 goals.

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As usual, one man who stood above the rest gets underrated by most.

Gordie Howe is the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. Bobby Hull is second and, probably would have been first had he not left the NHL for the WHA.

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One name not mentioned that should be ahead of a few that were is Bill Cook.

Led the NHL in goals 3 times, finished 2nd once, and was top 10 eight of 9 years from 26-27 to 34-35. He was the top goal scorer over his first 10 years in the league, 26-27 to 35-36, beating out Stewart and Morenz.

Not as impressive as some others? Consider that he did that all after his 30th birthday, and after being out of hockey for 5 years while in the army during WWI and beyond.

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Mike Bossy.

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My choice would be Mario Lemieux. He could score like no one else. Other Candidates are Bobby and Brett Hull , Rocket Richard , Wayne Gretzky , Phil Esposito and Mike Bossy.

HM to Pavel Bure due his style.

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My choice would be Mario Lemieux. He could score like no one else. Other Candidates are Bobby and Brett Hull , Rocket Richard , Wayne Gretzky , Phil Esposito and Mike Bossy.

HM to Pavel Bure due his style.
If Pavle Bure could have played a full career, I don't think there would be any issue ranking him among that group. He scored 50 goals every single season he played 70 or more games, and it was usually closer to 60.

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Mario Lemieux.

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Most of the guys have been mentioned to be sure. However I think two are being overlooked because of their position. Orr and Coffey were both fantastic goal scorers. 46 and 48 goal seasons by defensemen? They possessed that innate goal scoring instinct as much as any of the forwards mentioned did.

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Most of the guys have been mentioned to be sure. However I think two are being overlooked because of their position. Orr and Coffey were both fantastic goal scorers. 46 and 48 goal seasons by defensemen? They possessed that innate goal scoring instinct as much as any of the forwards mentioned did.
Other Goal Scoring Defencemen:
Red Kelly - Averaged 15 goals a season in the 50's when nobody els but Doug Mohns came close to 10
Harry Cameron - Averaged an amazing 20 goals per 30 games in his career
Denis Potvin
King Clancy
Flash Hollett - Set a record for goals by defencemen that took 15 years to fall.
Doug Mohns
Ray Bourque
Reed Larson
Mark Howe
Phil Housley
Al Macinnis
Eddie Shore
Georges Boucher

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While he wasn't a pure goalscorer, I'm amazed at the fact Frank Mahovlich came out only one, as an HM.

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