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01-06-2004, 09:43 AM
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Brewer's trade value

Now, I admit that I do not follow the Oilers as closely as some of you, so take this question for what it is worth.

Am I wrong or are most of the proposals here vastly understating Brewer's trade value? Yeah, he has stumbled in his development (and, btw, he is not exactly the first young defensemen to do that) but he is still one of the better young dmen in the league. I absolutely HATED to see him dealt from the Island.

I personally think that the Oil could get very significant return if they moved Brewer (which I still don't think they will do).

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Now, I admit that I do not follow the Oilers as closely as some of you, so take this question for what it is worth.

Am I wrong or are most of the proposals here vastly understating Brewer's trade value? Yeah, he has stumbled in his development (and, btw, he is not exactly the first young defensemen to do that) but he is still one of the better young dmen in the league. I absolutely HATED to see him dealt from the Island.

I personally think that the Oil could get very significant return if they moved Brewer (which I still don't think they will do).

Depends who you ask but I offered Jokinen for him and was told that wouldn't be enough so no, I don't think he's underrated.

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I personally think that the Oil could get very significant return if they moved Brewer (which I still don't think they will do).
I can't imagine the Oilers trading Brewer. He's all of 25 YO and plays a positions that the organization is really thin at. Brewer is a core player to the Oilers and the only way I see him getting moved is if a similiar player is coming back, and those types of trades are very rare.

I do think that people overrate Brewer's Olympic experience (and how that affects his trade value).

IMO, KL would have to get a King's ransom back to move Brewer.

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I can't imagine the Oilers trading Brewer. He's all of 25 YO and plays a positions that the organization is really thin at. Brewer is a core player to the Oilers and the only way I see him getting moved is if a similiar player is coming back, and those types of trades are very rare.

I do think that people overrate Brewer's Olympic experience (and how that affects his trade value).

IMO, KL would have to get a King's ransom back to move Brewer.

This is exactly how I see it.

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Recently Brewer has been opening alot of Oiler fans eyes with his Pronger Jr.-like play, and has been logging Alot of minutes. The fact that hes only 24 really adds to the whole package.
If you were to ask about his trade value at about the 10 game point, it would have been a different story. But lately........... And on top of that if a trade is made, it will be made from a position of strenght from the Oilers side, because this time Lowe wont be forced to deal a player.

That said, I wouldnt want to see him moved right now.

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oiler fans..

This is his 6th yr in the league and I think he's arbitration eligible this summer.He's making $2.5m this season.

After seeing Jovo and Redden sign in the $4m-$5m a yr range, is Brewer's next contract a reason he could be moved or would he do like Ryan Smyth,signing cheaply to fit into the Oiler budget?

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This whole trade talk is a result of the Oilers and Brewer's early season struggles. Brewer has now stepped out of the slump and is play damn well. In this last string of games, he is averaging around 30 minutes per game. And is making the plays expected of a #1 defensemen.

As said earlier in the thread. He will not be dealt unless the Oilers receive a Kings ransom in return. (then again, I said the same exact thing about Niinimaa last year)

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oiler fans..

This is his 6th yr in the league and I think he's arbitration eligible this summer.He's making $2.5m this season.

After seeing Jovo and Redden sign in the $4m-$5m a yr range, is Brewer's next contract a reason he could be moved or would he do like Ryan Smyth,signing cheaply to fit into the Oiler budget?
One advantage the Oilers have is that Brewer isn't putting up the offensive numbers that the "elite" young d-man (Redden, Jovo, etc) are. Brewer has been playing much better of late, but I think that the Oilers could point to Brad Stuart's contract more than Wade Redden.

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This whole trade talk is a result of the Oilers and Brewer's early season struggles. Brewer has now stepped out of the slump and is play damn well. In this last string of games, he is averaging around 30 minutes per game. And is making the plays expected of a #1 defensemen.

As said earlier in the thread. He will not be dealt unless the Oilers receive a Kings ransom in return. (then again, I said the same exact thing about Niinimaa last year)

Niinimaa was a much harder situation to call because of the $ issues. I didn't think he would get traded either.

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I'm hoping that the recent rumors about Brewer and Gonchar being available are false.

If MM decides to trade Hamrlik at the trade deadline,I'd like it to be a seller's market

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I'm hoping that the recent rumors about Brewer and Gonchar being available are false.

If MM decides to trade Hamrlik at the trade deadline,I'd like it to be a seller's market

I still think the Isles will wind up the longterm losers in both those deals with the Oil (Hamrlik and Janne), but we'll see.

Personally, I hated both trades.

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I still think the Isles will wind up the longterm losers in both those deals with the Oil (Hamrlik and Janne), but we'll see.

Personally, I hated both trades.

I thought Brewer and Green were enough for Hamrlik,didn't like including the 2nd rounder,but I'd guess with Sather and the rangers also trying for Hamrlik,that Milbury had to add to his offer

I like the Niinimaa trade for both teams.

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Brewer would go for a 1st, a 3rd plus a very good prospect like a Fedor Tjutin, for example, I would figure. It's not what the Oil wants, but its an illustration of I figure his value is.

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Brewer would go for a 1st, a 3rd plus a very good prospect like a Fedor Tjutin, for example, I would figure. It's not what the Oil wants, but its an illustration of I figure his value is.
Geez your name really illistrates the value of this post. Why would the oil Part with their #1 d-man who is 24 for picks and a maybe prospect. The only way i could see them dealing Brewer is if the offer absolutly blew them away. Brewer has been a monster the last 10 games or so and their record lately shows his value.

My suggestion is the oil can't move Brewer unless they also move Smyth in another deal. Trading D-man for Dman is too hard to do, so they trade brewer for a forward package and Smyth for a d-man package.


My suggestion for a deal that May work for both teams would be


Smyth and Brewer to Philly

Pitkanen, Williams and Carter to the oil.

The Flyers get two player who are ready to help them win the cup now and are still relativley young and the oil get a fabulous D-man prospect who can step right in and a young Scoring center in Williams. Carter just evens out the deal and would help the oil in athe next couple of years.

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well aparently i did undervalue him.

i said he had about as much skill as zhitnik, similar level. i was obvioulsy very wrong. i would say prospects like pitkanen are to high.

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Geez your name really illistrates the value of this post. Why would the oil Part with their #1 d-man who is 24 for picks and a maybe prospect. The only way i could see them dealing Brewer is if the offer absolutly blew them away. Brewer has been a monster the last 10 games or so and their record lately shows his value.

My suggestion is the oil can't move Brewer unless they also move Smyth in another deal. Trading D-man for Dman is too hard to do, so they trade brewer for a forward package and Smyth for a d-man package.


My suggestion for a deal that May work for both teams would be


Smyth and Brewer to Philly

Pitkanen, Williams and Carter to the oil.

The Flyers get two player who are ready to help them win the cup now and are still relativley young and the oil get a fabulous D-man prospect who can step right in and a young Scoring center in Williams. Carter just evens out the deal and would help the oil in athe next couple of years.

Buddy, I know. Read my post again. I know the Oil does not want this offer, they are looking for a forward. I said a top prospect like Tutin (this could also be a Eric Staal, or Svitov, or whoever depending on who you value more of the elite prospect players and what position you are looking for). I also said a first (which is highly objective, not a player evaluation), and a third (same).

On Par I think Brewer should be able to fetch a guy like Gagne or Tanguay easily, plus a pick because defensemen are usually valued more.

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Buddy, I know. Read my post again. I know the Oil does not want this offer, they are looking for a forward. I said a top prospect like Tutin (this could also be a Eric Staal, or Svitov, or whoever depending on who you value more of the elite prospect players and what position you are looking for). I also said a first (which is highly objective, not a player evaluation), and a third (same).

On Par I think Brewer should be able to fetch a guy like Gagne or Tanguay easily, plus a pick because defensemen are usually valued more.
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I think he's about the same value as a Morris. So Brewer and a winger such as an Isbister (who I don't think is all that valuable) or a Chimera (who I like more) and a waste of a player for a good second liner with attributes or a great second liner who can score but not much of a leader and a premiere checking center.

Yes, I just rehashed the Morris thread. Sue me.

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Brewer's value is not 'a King's ransom'. Nor is it Alexei Zhitnik.

Oiler fans may not like this, but yes, Brewer could be traded. There have been rumours lately that he has asked to be traded before, and usually rumours like the ones coming up lately don't just prop up on their own - maybe Lowe was asking around to see was Eric's pricetag was to other teams just to get a feel of things if he had to trade him - I don't know. What I do know is that Brewer is a young, important cog on the Oilers blueline, but that he has dissapointed through the beginning of the season, though is playing better now.

I would say that if Brewer for Jokinen was on the table, Lowe would have to think long and hard about it. If not for the Oilers woeful defense, then I'd say it'd be a done deal. Value-wise, that's about where Brewer sits.

But because of the defensive situation in Edmonton, Brewer probobly could not be moved unless they were getting a defenseman in return.

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I would say that if Brewer for Jokinen was on the table, Lowe would have to think long and hard about it.
Yeah, long and hard about how soon he can hand sew an Oiler jersey with JOKINEN printed on the back of it. Dudley would have to be insane to trade a big, defensively responsible, 23-year-old 30 goal scorer for the enigma that is Eric Brewer.

My own suggestion is Brewer for Anthony Stewart and Viktor Kozlov.

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I think he's about the same value as a Morris. So Brewer and a winger such as an Isbister (who I don't think is all that valuable) or a Chimera (who I like more) and a waste of a player for a good second liner with attributes or a great second liner who can score but not much of a leader and a premiere checking center.

Yes, I just rehashed the Morris thread. Sue me.
I think that is about right. So, what teams would likely show strong interest in Brewer? I'd say that Boston, Chicago, Florida and Toronto would be the 4 most interested teams in acquiring Brewer. Would Chicago consider trading either Mark Bell or Kyle Calder in a deal for Brewer? Would Toronto consider trading Nik Antropov? Sergei Samsonov from Boston? Olli Jokinen from the Panthers?

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[QUOTE=Mizral]

Oiler fans may not like this, but yes, Brewer could be traded. There have been rumours lately that he has asked to be traded before, QUOTE]

No Oiler fan has mentioned these so called rumors. No sportswriter or talk show in Edmonton that I've listened has ever mentioned or hinted at Brewer wanting to be traded. No Oiler fans, some who seem to know what was happening with Comrie situation have mentioned this.

I'm just curious where you heard this Mizral?

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Yeah, long and hard about how soon he can hand sew an Oiler jersey with JOKINEN printed on the back of it. Dudley would have to be insane to trade a big, defensively responsible, 23-year-old 30 goal scorer for the enigma that is Eric Brewer.

My own suggestion is Brewer for Anthony Stewart and Viktor Kozlov.
I think its more accurate to characterize the Joker as "a big, , 23-year-old who has scored 30 goals". To suggest he is a bonafide 30 goal scorer(implying he either has or will do it on a perrenial basis) is a bit misleading. After all, other than last year his best year is 11 goals & he has 12 this year. Furthur, throughout his career he has carried huge minuses (whatever that means) so calling him defensively responsible may not be entirely accurate.
That all being said, I like the guy but he is hardly a proven commodity.

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Oiler fans may not like this, but yes, Brewer could be traded. There have been rumours lately that he has asked to be traded before, QUOTE]

No Oiler fan has mentioned these so called rumors. No sportswriter or talk show in Edmonton that I've listened has ever mentioned or hinted at Brewer wanting to be traded. No Oiler fans, some who seem to know what was happening with Comrie situation have mentioned this.

I'm just curious where you heard this Mizral?
No EDM sources, but Spector's and 4thperiod both have reported brewer trade rumours. Mark Spector is pretty bang on with that stuff.

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Brewer's value is not 'a King's ransom'. Nor is it Alexei Zhitnik.
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But because of the defensive situation in Edmonton, Brewer probobly could not be moved unless they were getting a defenseman in return.
A deal involving Andrei Markov and something else might be workable, seeing as the Oilers seem to need an offensive defenceman. He fits into the payroll scheme and has a lot of upside. He could be an interesting centerpiece, as the Oil would address a roster need without taking on salary.

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