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01-07-2004, 11:52 AM
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Mojo radio in Toronto apparently just reported that the 'unconfirmed' word is that he will be slapped with a $1,000 fine.

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Maybe they need nets around the whole rink....

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Where has Predators Management said those things?
With regards to most anything that BCF says about the Preds, it never happened. They commented on Bertuzzi breaking Skrastins nose because he was in a bad mood. They commented on the two 5-3's that changed the course of the game. They really only comment on Vancouver though only the biggest of homers would deny he had a point about the 5-3's. They don't whine. Maybe once a year Trotz will make a comment on officiating that is out of the ordinary. But BCF isn't the best scrutinizer of the Preds on the best of days, so it's best you just ignore him when it comes to the Preds, Golf.

When situations such as this directly affect a teams chances of winning (a team who might have been in or out of the playoffs based on these two points), I think they have every right to voice their opinion. The NHL refs are paid to police the ice. When that breaks down, you are going to hear complaints. I doubt the refs missed it though, it wasn't exactly away from the play. He got rid of the puck, his stick broke and he flung it out of the rink. The puck hadn't been out of his possession for more than 2 seconds.

I'm through blaming officials for losses. Mistakes occur every shift of every game. We just need to be that much better than our opponent so that officials can't dictate the outcome.


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"Bertuzzi is too big to handle.. he cheats"
Nice one. Find me that quote from a Predator fan or management.

[quote=biggest canuck fan]
"Sundin should've gotten a penalty"[/quote}

Yes he should have. Read the rule book my friend. Its not Predator fans fault that you are misinformed and ignorant of the whole situation. Sundin should have been kicked from the game. Period.

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You know what. If you can't compete why is that the officials fault?
Its not the officials fault. We actually competed very well, and IMO, outplayed the Leafs. We ended up losing, but the better team doesn't always win. It happens. This isn't the point, though, even though you are trying to make it the point. The point here is that Sundin was blatantly allowed to throw his stick in the crowd, and he didn't recieve a penalty, despite the fact that it is a major offense. Get a clue here.

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Christ I am so sick of this horse ****!!
And I'm sick of your vulgarity. Quit acting childish and learn to control your language.

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01-07-2004, 11:59 AM
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IMO, if someone throws there stick out of the rink, they should be escorted out. If a fan cannot throw a catfish on the ice, then I don't think players should be allowed to hurl dangerous objects out of the rink. If the officials can't police it, maybe we should get some ushers. They seem to do a great job of nabbing those in Nashville who throw catfish.

IMO, we lost because, unlike the Leafs, we didn't take advantage of the bad officiating. Every game, with few exceptions, you are going to get some calls that go you way. We had a 5-3 that shocked the hell out of me. It's not that it wasn't deserved, it's just that it's so rarely called. Sure we hit 2 posts on the 5 on 3, but atleast TO took advantage of their breaks.

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It was clearly an accident.

I'm sure he didn't mean to throw it over the boards... possibly against the glass.

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I think most fans don't mind getting 200$ sticks from a player like Sundin, I don't really have a problem with the gesture, but I'd rather see it at the end of the game or when the fans expect it. Personally, I like when the players give sticks, pucks or sweaters so I can't say I want to see Sundin fined.

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IMO, if someone throws there stick out of the rink, they should be escorted out. If a fan cannot throw a catfish on the ice, then I don't think players should be allowed to hurl dangerous objects out of the rink. If the officials can't police it, maybe we should get some ushers. They seem to do a great job of nabbing those in Nashville who throw catfish.
It's obvious Smokey, a stinking dead catfish is more dangerous than a broken stick being flung into a crowd of people.





That said, I've never even owend a hockey stick. When they break like that are the ends of the broken part sharp and pointy? (i'm not being a smarta$$)

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It was clearly an accident.

I'm sure he didn't mean to throw it over the boards... possibly against the glass.
I'm not sure it was clearly an accident. I don't think he realized what he was doing so in that sense it was an accident. He broke his stick and in anger just threw it. I doubt he was aiming out of the rink, I think he was just mad. Rules, however, are rules.

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It's obvious Smokey, a stinking dead catfish is more dangerous than a broken stick being flung into a crowd of people.





That said, I've never even owend a hockey stick. When they break like that are the ends of the broken part sharp and pointy? (i'm not being a smarta$$)
The stick can be more dangerous, though Catfish have some pretty sharp barbs. If they hit you in the flesh at the wrong angle, they could do some damage. Of course, to may knowledge, no player has even been touched by a catfish. But it's kind of hard to hurl a stick into the crowd and miss someone. And yes, they can splinter (depending on the type of stick used).

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Sundin won't be punished beyond a nominal fine.

Sorry haters.

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Sundin won't be punished beyond a nominal fine.

Sorry haters.


Sundin suspended one game. www.tsn.ca

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01-07-2004, 12:05 PM
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Sundin had a mental fart, I'm sure each and every one of you here have had one of those before. He admitted after the game that he screwed up and that he wasn't thinking when he did it.

Should he have gotten a penalty? Yes.

Should he be suspended? No.

Did the refs screw up again? Yes.

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I'm not sure it was clearly an accident. I don't think he realized what he was doing so in that sense it was an accident. He broke his stick and in anger just threw it. I doubt he was aiming out of the rink, I think he was just mad. Rules, however, are rules.
That's basically what I said.

It doesn't look like it "just slipped"... because he obviously physically threw it... but it wasn't meant to go over the glass.

I've seen it plenty of times when a goal is scored, the player from the team that got scored on slashes the crossbar with his stick, breaking it in two... the other piece ricocheting across the rink. Potentially hitting another player or official. I think the purpose here was to throw it against the glass... not over.

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On a sidenote, since when did the rules cater to whether or not the infraction was an accident or not? If I accidentally cross-check you in the face, I still am going to get penalized (at least if the officials are calling the game correctly). If a goalie accidentally shoots the puck over the boards, it is still a penalty. It doesn't matter what his intent was, but it does matter that he broke the rules. I don't think Sundin was thinking very clearly in this play. His stick broke off a one-time, and frustrated he threw it into the stands. Its a major penalty, regardless of what his intent was.

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Wow...he got suspended.

Surprising, to me at least.

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Sundin had a mental fart, I'm sure each and every one of you here have had one of those before. He admitted after the game that he screwed up and that he wasn't thinking when he did it.

Should he have gotten a penalty? Yes.

Should he be suspended? No.

Did the refs screw up again? Yes.
I'm a Predators fan but I completely agree with this post.

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On a sidenote, since when did the rules cater to whether or not the infraction was an accident or not? If I accidentally cross-check you in the face, I still am going to get penalized (at least if the officials are calling the game correctly). If a goalie accidentally shoots the puck over the boards, it is still a penalty. It doesn't matter what his intent was, but it does matter that he broke the rules. I don't think Sundin was thinking very clearly in this play. His stick broke off a one-time, and frustrated he threw it into the stands. Its a major penalty, regardless of what his intent was.
Your right but we see it every night that stars get treated better by the refs. If it was Domi doing that you can bet he would have gotten a penalty. This year has had some of the worst refing I've ever seen and it only seems to get worse as the season goes on.

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I'm not sure it was clearly an accident. I don't think he realized what he was doing so in that sense it was an accident. He broke his stick and in anger just threw it. I doubt he was aiming out of the rink, I think he was just mad. Rules, however, are rules.
Basically I agree with this.

There's much more concerning things going on in the NHL right now than this. How about taking care of players who hit people with the intent to injure, or hit them from behind into the boards? These are the kinds of things that should be harshly punished so that players stop.

To suggest a year ban is pretty much laughable. At worst/best, depending on how you are looking at this, it might be OK for him to be slapped with a one or two game suspension. But I don't think that's a fitting punishment for this.

Edit: I quoted the wrong post.

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Mojo radio in Toronto apparently just reported that the 'unconfirmed' word is that he will be slapped with a $1,000 fine.
I wonder where this 'unconfirmed' word came from?

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On a sidenote, since when did the rules cater to whether or not the infraction was an accident or not? If I accidentally cross-check you in the face, I still am going to get penalized (at least if the officials are calling the game correctly). If a goalie accidentally shoots the puck over the boards, it is still a penalty. It doesn't matter what his intent was, but it does matter that he broke the rules. I don't think Sundin was thinking very clearly in this play. His stick broke off a one-time, and frustrated he threw it into the stands. Its a major penalty, regardless of what his intent was.
I don't think I could have stated it any other way. I mean if he would have hit someone in the face with the sharp end would he have gotten a longer suspension? Of course he would. I think that he should have been banned for at least 5 games just to set an example that you need to think when you do something like that. How hard would it have been for him to just drop the stick?

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Personally I think a fine would of done it justice, and a warning. Sundin is a fairly clean player, I don't believe he's ever had problems like this in the past, plus he gave the guy a full signed stick on top of it. Yet the NHL feels 1 game is what Mats should get.

As far as people saying they are disgusted and think Sundin should get a year of life ban, that's just stupid, I'd go out on a limb and assume the people saying this just dislike the Leafs, it's not like he held it like a spear and tried to hit Paco in the 14th row.

I disagree with the NHL on this one, but then again, I haven't been impressed with a lot of things they've done.

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lol brett breaks his stick probabley more than anyone in the league....he laughs and skates by the bench and another one is handed to him

sundin breaks his stick (and i know he does it a lot as well) and sends it flying over the glass and a riduculously dangerous spin and speed

i think Sundin must've felt that if his stick didn't break there he probabley had one labeled....

one-year suspension...


he deserves a 5-10 game suspension and a high fine though...

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Where has Predators Management said those things?
Last year Barry trotz was crying and caying that Bertuzzi uses a push off move which is interference.

The League later agreed and bertuzzi has not been the same since he was neutralized. You can beat the crap out of him, but heaven forbid Todd trying to establish position.

Now Sundin throws his stick and the Preds again ***** and cry saying it should've been a penalty. And they are right it should've... but it wasn't, and had the Preds won would they have said these things?

I am all for fair play, but the Predators are becoming the whiniest biotches in the league. If things don't go their way it has to be the other team cheating!!

And Smoley Clause... I know more about hockey than you will ever dream about so don't tell me what I do and do not know.

I just gave two clear cut examples. Trotz should worry about his team and not what the other team does.

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This needs to get back on topic (i.e., Sundin) or it will be closed. Take your personal arguments to PMs.

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