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01-07-2004, 10:25 AM
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I think I speak on behalf of most Leaf fans when I say that I dont want to deal any of our core... or future to get a dman. I'm sick of hearing tucker, pick for brewer or kaberle, harrison for gonchar or antropov, blah blah blah... I like my team how it is!


Edit: I Know people are going to say... but they are proposals and they are fun. Well i'm just venting. All i hear are complaints about how the leafs need this and that... dont fix what isn't broken!


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I think I speak on behalf of most Leaf fans when I say that I dont want to deal any of our core... or future to get a dman. I'm sick of hearing tucker, pick for brewer or kaberle, harrison for gonchar or antropov, blah blah blah... I like my team how it is!


Edit: I Know people are going to say... but they are proposals and they are fun. Well i'm just venting. All i hear are complaints about how the leafs need this and that... dont fix what isn't broken!
I have to agree with you. I like the team the way it is. The thing we really need is a good team game from everyone everynight, from there we need to bring kids up from within.

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it's probably because this team is close to winning it all this year but tooling is needed to put it over the top.

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it's probably because this team is close to winning it all this year but tooling is needed to put it over the top.
Tooling as you put it could also take it farther away! never know what will happen when you bring someone in... chemistry could go boom. Shawn in response to your post. I expect 110% from everyone every night... including the bench!

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Leafs are just fine their doing better than the most zealous Leaf fan could expect. The Leafs just don't have the prospects to make a trade for a big time defenceman.

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I think I speak on behalf of most Leaf fans when I say that I dont want to deal any of our core... or future to get a dman. I'm sick of hearing tucker, pick for brewer or kaberle, harrison for gonchar or antropov, blah blah blah... I like my team how it is!


Edit: I Know people are going to say... but they are proposals and they are fun. Well i'm just venting. All i hear are complaints about how the leafs need this and that... dont fix what isn't broken!
While our defense isn't as bad as everyone says, the Leafs are lacking a rugged yet point-producing defenseman. Aucoin would fit that bill very nicely (if he were available)... Our defense usually looks good during the reg. season but gets exposed in the playoffs (for its consistency- I admit they usually show some shut-down potential early in the playoffs).

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Tooling as you put it could also take it farther away! never know what will happen when you bring someone in... chemistry could go boom.
Great Point. I would be suprised to see a major deal with this team.Talking about trading two or three roster players could hurt the chemistry of the team like you said. I think the Leafs will improve the defence though. It will probably be a trade similar to the Wesley deal last year. No roster players but still an improvement made to the team.

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I say look at next year's team (CBA or not) and then determine whether Toronto can AFFORD to make a trade. I say they can.

I was going through in detail what I think the line up would look like next year and the organization is in pretty good shape. I'm too lazy to go through it all right now but if they wanted to pull off a Nolan-type of trade for a D man then I think they could quite easily.

1st round pick, Wellwood or Bell, plus a decent roster player like Poni, for example could get a real stud if they wanted it.

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I say look at next year's team (CBA or not) and then determine whether Toronto can AFFORD to make a trade. I say they can.

I was going through in detail what I think the line up would look like next year and the organization is in pretty good shape. I'm too lazy to go through it all right now but if they wanted to pull off a Nolan-type of trade for a D man then I think they could quite easily.

1st round pick, Wellwood or Bell, plus a decent roster player like Poni, for example could get a real stud if they wanted it.
But can they pull that sort of a trade for a D-man. Fact is, for the last year or so, stud Defensemen have been really hard to come by. There may only be 7-10 bona fide No. 1 D-men in the league, period.

It seems that teams are willing to accept a "Nolan-like" package for an expensive forward, but how often do you see even a 9-million stud D-man on the trading block (exceptions exist, like Blake a few years back)? You don't because they are worth keeping regardless of price and their relative rarity in the league...

Teams seem reluctant to trade top defensemen unless they have to. Granted, you will get high-priced offensive players: Schneider or Ozolinsh) or still-unproven blueliners (McLaren or Brewer) changing hands but that's hardly what we need...

But I still hope you're right and we somehow pull off a deal for a player like that!

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The Leafs do need some defense help, and unfortunatly to get them they will have to give up part of their core or future.

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Why don't we focus on getting some discipline on the blueline before we buy a 'band-aid'?

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Why don't we focus on getting some discipline on the blueline before we buy a 'band-aid'?
Because sometimes, after 2-3 years, it becomes evident that some components never become disciplined on a consistent basis (see: JACKMAN, Rick).

I was just poking fun, but it seems that some of our blueliners can't help brain-cramping at crucial times. The steadiness Wesley added last season (in contrast to other members of our blueline corps.) underscored this...

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Great Point. I would be suprised to see a major deal with this team.Talking about trading two or three roster players could hurt the chemistry of the team like you said. I think the Leafs will improve the defence though. It will probably be a trade similar to the Wesley deal last year. No roster players but still an improvement made to the team.
and... for the first time in a long time it actually seems like they are playing cause they love the game and are getting along. Corson is gone... things seem great... I say do nothing. If they dont win they dont win. but i dont want to give up our future or core to try this year. especially with the new CBA looming.

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The blueline would look pretty nice if Svehla had decided to come back for one more year..

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and... for the first time in a long time it actually seems like they are playing cause they love the game and are getting along. Corson is gone... things seem great... I say do nothing. If they dont win they dont win. but i dont want to give up our future or core to try this year. especially with the new CBA looming.
The Leafs won't have this chance to win again for a while. With the exceptin of Colaiacovo (and hes the one untouchable in the Leafs system) they don't really have anyone who can't be replaced. If trading players like Steen, Bell or Kondratiev can put the Leafs over the top and get them to the finals they NEED to do it. They won't have too (or should) move ALL of their prospects, and with Trapp now on board and the slide down the standings that most likely will start to happen they can rebuild their system no problem in a couple years.

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But it's a chance. No one knows buying an expensive FA or trading for a player WILL get us over the lump. Colorado took an extra year to with Borque, etc. Much safer to stick with what we have then take a chance, however high the reward may be, as it is possible with what we have now.

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and... for the first time in a long time it actually seems like they are playing cause they love the game and are getting along. Corson is gone... things seem great... I say do nothing. If they dont win they dont win. but i dont want to give up our future or core to try this year. especially with the new CBA looming.
I think the entire thing with Corson was blown out of proportion. I also think the most overlooked thing when you mention the Leafs & their difference from last year to this year are the signings of Joe Nieuwendyk & Ken Klee. They've been great this year for us.

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I know its not going to happen but it would be so gosh darn cool if Svehla, seeing out current position signs on near the playoffs, just to have a chance at the cup.

*Sigh* day dreaming really is fun.

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I know its not going to happen but it would be so gosh darn cool if Svehla, seeing out current position signs on near the playoffs, just to have a chance at the cup.

*Sigh* day dreaming really is fun.
As much as I like Svehla...if we win, he'll feel like utter crap

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But it's a chance. No one knows buying an expensive FA or trading for a player WILL get us over the lump. Colorado took an extra year to with Borque, etc. Much safer to stick with what we have then take a chance, however high the reward may be, as it is possible with what we have now.
Of course its a chance, but if they get that D-man they need those chances increase. You don't build a team based on their best run of games. At the start of the season it clear the Leafs needed some defensive help, that hasn't changed. Winning teams always do what they have to in order to win. If the Leafs were a young team with all their players in their primes and going to be in their primes for the next few years then there would be some reason not to do what it will take to win, but the Leafs are old and this is the time to win.

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So you don't change your oil until after your car stops running? I mean why would you, if it ain't broke don't fix it right? Thats the stupidist saying mankind created. If you can make it better or prevent it from breaking you do it, end of story.

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So you don't change your oil until after your car stops running? I mean why would you, if it ain't broke don't fix it right? Thats the stupidist saying mankind created. If you can make it better or prevent it from breaking you do it, end of story.
acctually the dumbest phrase Mankind created was "No Pun Intended" I'm sorry I didn't mean to be witty there I'm normally a raving moron.

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but the Leafs are old and this is the time to win.
Fair enough, at the expense of the next 3-4-5? For a chance?

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Fair enough, at the expense of the next 3-4-5? For a chance?
First Steen or Kondratiev and a pick (or something similiar) won't kill the next 3-5 years for the Leafs. Second the next 3-5 years are going to be bad for the Leafs anyway. Third EVERY year all they will have is a chance, if you always just "play it safe" the Leafs will NEVER win another cup because they'll never take that step they need to to get over "the hump". If they could add another good D-man their chances become a lot better.

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Fair enough, at the expense of the next 3-4-5? For a chance?

Even at the expense of 10 years.. I want to see a championship in my lifetime.. Hell, I made it through the 80's I could do another 10 as long as I saw a cup

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