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10-06-2007, 07:39 PM
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Swiss National League - Last 10 years attendance statistics

I gathered this info and i made some statistics, based on
http://hockeyarenas.net/index.php3?p...ID=ch&show=100

Those are not 100% accurate, i've done this for fun and for sharing info on another forum (HCLugano).

If Lugano would be big as Montreal, our rink should have an attendance of 46'480!

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SCBern (city 168'000 ab - canton 958'000 ab)

1998 - 10012; 1999 - 9395; 2000 - 10012; 2001 - 10276; 2002 - 11838; 2003 - 12694; 2004 - 13540; 2005 - 15621; 2006 - 15917; 2007 - 15993

Last 10 years: +5981
Swiss championship in 10 years: 1
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 59
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 29

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ZürichSC (city 370'000 ab - canton 1'284'000 ab)

1998 - 6272; 1999 - 8145; 2000 - 8562; 2001 - 8852; 2002 - 9233; 2003 - 8993; 2004 - 8176; 2005 - 3108; 2006 - 8178; 2007 - 7021

Last 10 years: +749
Swiss championship in 10 years: 2
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 182
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 91

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SCLangnau (city 9'036 ab - canton 958'000 ab)

1998 - LNB; 1999 - 5253; 2000 - 4969; 2001 - 4957; 2002 - 4957; 2003 - 4847; 2004 - 4513; 2005 - 5132; 2006 - 4131; 2007 - 5540

In nove anni: +287
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 172
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 86

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HCGinevra - Servette (city 185'000 ab - canton 433'000 ab)

1998 -2002 LNB; 2003 - 5358; 2004 - 4955; 2005 - 5028; 2006 - 5170; 2007 - 5501

In cinque anni: +143
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 78
Other teams in the same canton: -

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Kloten (city 17'000 ab - canton 1'284'000 ab)

1998 - 4933; 1999 - 4354; 2000 - 4588; 2001 - 4409; 2002 - 4723; 2003 - 5127; 2004 - 4205; 2005 - 4576; 2006 - 4741; 2007 - 5444

Last 10 years: +511
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 235
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 117

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Rapperswil (city 25'272 ab - canton 461'810 ab)

1998 - 3963; 1999 - 3919; 2000 - 3468; 2001 - 3455; 2002 - 3593; 2003 - 4083; 2004 - 3665; 2005 - 4475; 2006 - 4462; 2007 - 5088

Last 10 years: +1125
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 90
Other teams in the same canton: -

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EVZug (city 23'900 ab - canton 100'900)

1998 - 5293; 1999 - 5513; 2000 - 4068; 2001 - 4216; 2002 - 3659; 2003 - 3625; 2004 - 4157; 2005 - 4722; 2006 - 4506; 2007 - 4663

Last 10 years: -630
Swiss championship in 10 years: 1
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 21
Other teams in the same canton: -

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HCDavos (city 10'998 ab - canton 187'900 ab)

1998 - 3487; 1999 - 2967; 2000 - 2705; 2001 - 3731; 2002 - 4030; 2003 - 4620; 2004 - 3577; 2005 - 4957; 2006 - 4292; 2007 - 4458

Last 10 years: +971
Swiss championship in 10 years: 3
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 42
Other teams in the same canton: -

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HCFribourg Gotteron (city 36'544 ab - canton 258'250 ab)

1998 - 5617; 1999 - 4003; 2000 - 4327; 2001 - 5305; 2002 - 5091; 2003 - 4794; 2004 - 4931; 2005 - 4715; 2006 - 4643; 2007 - 4420

Last 10 years: -1197
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 58
Other teams in the same canton: -

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HCLugano (city 52'500 ab - canton 324'850 ab)

1998 - 4320; 1999 - 4208; 2000 - 4460; 2001 - 3760; 2002 - 3680; 2003 - 4283; 2004 - 4560; 2005 - 4542; 2006 - 4741; 2007 - 4073

Last 10 years: -247
Swiss championship in 10 years: 3
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 79
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 39

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HC Ambrì Piotta (city - Quinto 1085 ab - canton 324'850 ab)

1998 - 4413; 1999 - 4130; 2000 - 3829; 2001 - 2852; 2002 - 4190; 2003 - 4047; 2004 - 4099; 2005 - 4675; 2006 - 4653; 2007 - 4038

Last 10 years: -375
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 80
Other teams in the same canton: 1
Hypothetical division attendance/population for the 2 teams in the same canton: 1 / 40

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EHC Basel (city 166'563 - canton 184'822 ab)

2004 - 3267; 2006 - 3511; 2007 - 2874

In tre anni: -393
Swiss championship in 10 years: -
Attendance / population 2007: 1 / 64
Other teams in the same canton: -

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Interesting numbers.
The strike season (2004-05) seems to have had an effect in some cities but it's strange how Zurich, the numbers dropped from 8000 to 3000 in 2005..... do you have nay information on what happened?

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Yeah, Zurich had to play in a small stadium for one season, because their main stadium 'Hallenstadion' got refurbished.

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Not sure what point you're trying to make, but I don't think comparing attendance to canton population has any meaningful purpose. Even a comparison with city population would be tricky as sometime urban areas are way bigger than the city itself.

There is no other way to discuss attendance figures than putting them into context.

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Not sure what point you're trying to make, but I don't think comparing attendance to canton population has any meaningful purpose. Even a comparison with city population would be tricky as sometime urban areas are way bigger than the city itself.

There is no other way to discuss attendance figures than putting them into context.
The purpose of this statistics are related with some comment against HCLugano by the ticino's media, about the dropping attendance in our city. But most is just for curiosity. I agree that the population/attendance ratio isn't the best value, there are many people who travel intra-canton, there is the distance for the guest people (more easy someone goes in Bern from Zurich than in Geneve), and others things. So this number are just for a quick, and not complex, confrontation. Anyway i find pretty interesting that 1/40 in Ticino follow his team. It's a good number, you can double it if you don't like my sistem, but still 1/80 is much more higher than some of the cities with a NHL team (that doesnt' have sold out arena).

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That number still would have no meaning at all. Big cities are at a severe disadvantage by default. The population/attendance ratio is not a good measurement for anything, nor can it be used to show how many fans there would be if the city was bigger or smaller.

You are assuming that the ratio would stay the same, but it wouldn't. The ratio you have is only the picture of the city as it is right now, calculated by the number of fans and the population number. You can't just take the result, turn it around and use it as basis for what would happen if the default values would be different.

That kind of math would only work, if the first calculation was done with a defined average citizen. Since the "new" citizens (the number by which the city is larger) aren't in any way associated with the people already living in the city, you can't just assume that the ratio of fans would be the same among that group. For all we know, all "new" citizens could hate hockey...

To take the example even further:
If there would be a village of 100 people, and 50 of them would be at every game of their local football club, you couldn't assume that there would be 500,000 if the village was a city and had a population of 1,000,000 people.

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interesting statistics there, looks like some of the teams have a decent fan base.

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That number still would have no meaning at all. Big cities are at a severe disadvantage by default. The population/attendance ratio is not a good measurement for anything, nor can it be used to show how many fans there would be if the city was bigger or smaller.

You are assuming that the ratio would stay the same, but it wouldn't. The ratio you have is only the picture of the city as it is right now, calculated by the number of fans and the population number. You can't just take the result, turn it around and use it as basis for what would happen if the default values would be different.

That kind of math would only work, if the first calculation was done with a defined average citizen. Since the "new" citizens (the number by which the city is larger) aren't in any way associated with the people already living in the city, you can't just assume that the ratio of fans would be the same among that group. For all we know, all "new" citizens could hate hockey...

To take the example even further:
If there would be a village of 100 people, and 50 of them would be at every game of their local football club, you couldn't assume that there would be 500,000 if the village was a city and had a population of 1,000,000 people.
You're right, and my sentence "if Lugano would be big as Montreal, our rink should have an attendance of 46'480" is just a complete hyphotesis that i've done for get some fun numbers. (with this ratio on Los Angeles this would mean about 96'000 )

But i think, as a snapshot and like Mckly said, the ratio is pretty good for showing the fan base and how much a canton care about his team(s).

Just for accuracy, the ratio is done with the canton's population and not with the city's population. I agree with you then, at first i only calculated the tendency of the attendance with absolute numbers. But i was curious, and if you want to compare ie zurich with bern, you have to use ratio, just like we do with unemployment or others statistics.

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The purpose of this statistics are related with some comment against HCLugano by the ticino's media, about the dropping attendance in our city. But most is just for curiosity. I agree that the population/attendance ratio isn't the best value, there are many people who travel intra-canton, there is the distance for the guest people (more easy someone goes in Bern from Zurich than in Geneve), and others things. So this number are just for a quick, and not complex, confrontation. Anyway i find pretty interesting that 1/40 in Ticino follow his team. It's a good number, you can double it if you don't like my sistem, but still 1/80 is much more higher than some of the cities with a NHL team (that doesnt' have sold out arena).
I read those comments on solohockey.com, and found them to be mostly pointless, and a poor excuse to fill a column. Yet, no one can deny Lugano's attendance should be higher than what has been seen for the last 10 to 15 seasons, and Rossi's numerous attempt to bring the team closer to the fans show that the matters is taken seriously, though without much success so far.

When considering attendance figures, context should be a key part of the analysis. For example, Geneva's high foreign population makes it unlikely that they'll ever come close to Bern's or Lausanne's (when playing in the NLA) attendance. In the cas of Basle, the lack of a long hockey tradition, combined with poor results and the popularity of the local football team all contribute towards their difficulty to fill their arena. On the other hand, in Rapperswil, a new arena, an improving team and the lack of any other successful sport team in the area are all factors contributing to good attendances, while in Langnau... well, watching hockey is the only thing to do in Langnau.

Regarding Lugano (but Davos has the same problem), geography is a key part of the analysis, especially considering the team's high popularity outside Ticino. The city is simply too far away from any other place in Switzerland, making it difficult to attend game for someone not coming from the area (trust me, I'd regularly be at the Resega if not for the 4 hours drive, even though I'm sick of the direction the team is taking lately, but that's another story), as well as reducing the number of away fans. Compare this situation with Bern's, which is at most a two hours drive away from most of the country's important urban areas, and you get a better explanation for Lugano's poor attendance than when attempting to compare it to the canton's population.

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I read those comments on solohockey.com, and found them to be mostly pointless, and a poor excuse to fill a column. Yet, no one can deny Lugano's attendance should be higher than what has been seen for the last 10 to 15 seasons, and Rossi's numerous attempt to bring the team closer to the fans show that the matters is taken seriously, though without much success so far.
I agree with you, with a palmares like those of HC Lugano, there should be more people watching the match at the Resega. The club tried different ways, like a free entry for kid or a extra free ticket for those who have a season subscription, but neither seems to give benefit in the long run. I think they could try two things, one is to try to gather some italian's hockey fan, Milano is only 1 hour from here, and overall many cities are around our border (Como, Varese, ecc) and with the strenght of the euro againts the swiss fr the price shouldn't be a problem. Lombardia got a massive possibility for marketing, and some italian's team there got a real good attendance. Second is to try to gather not only HCL fans, but hockey fans that want to see a good show rather than "their team", this is hard i think because this year we don't have the type of players like Nummelin, Metropolit or Peltonen. In the past we got Huet, Nylander, Sjödin, Walz (but just some game), etc, now is more hard to lure high quality foreign players in Switzerland.

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When considering attendance figures, context should be a key part of the analysis. For example, Geneva's high foreign population makes it unlikely that they'll ever come close to Bern's or Lausanne's (when playing in the NLA) attendance. In the cas of Basle, the lack of a long hockey tradition, combined with poor results and the popularity of the local football team all contribute towards their difficulty to fill their arena. On the other hand, in Rapperswil, a new arena, an improving team and the lack of any other successful sport team in the area are all factors contributing to good attendances, while in Langnau... well, watching hockey is the only thing to do in Langnau.

Regarding Lugano (but Davos has the same problem), geography is a key part of the analysis, especially considering the team's high popularity outside Ticino. The city is simply too far away from any other place in Switzerland, making it difficult to attend game for someone not coming from the area (trust me, I'd regularly be at the Resega if not for the 4 hours drive, even though I'm sick of the direction the team is taking lately, but that's another story), as well as reducing the number of away fans. Compare this situation with Bern's, which is at most a two hours drive away from most of the country's important urban areas, and you get a better explanation for Lugano's poor attendance than when attempting to compare it to the canton's population.
I agree with you again, i would add that most of the games at the Resega didn't show much of guest fans. It's really hard for everyone travel from the central swiss to Lugano in a work day, it's better on Saturday, but overall they are not much more than 150-200.

For solohockey and ticino's media i find that if they want to point a drop in attendance, the problem last year is more those of the Zurich SC. Like HC Lugano they got a really good palmares in the last 10 years, but for some reason their attendance dropped by 1100 in one year. Good or bad Lugano is always stable, if a club is having problem, i would say it's ZSC more than Lugano.

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I agree with you, with a palmares like those of HC Lugano, there should be more people watching the match at the Resega. The club tried different ways, like a free entry for kid or a extra free ticket for those who have a season subscription, but neither seems to give benefit in the long run. I think they could try two things, one is to try to gather some italian's hockey fan, Milano is only 1 hour from here, and overall many cities are around our border (Como, Varese, ecc) and with the strenght of the euro againts the swiss fr the price shouldn't be a problem. Lombardia got a massive possibility for marketing, and some italian's team there got a real good attendance. Second is to try to gather not only HCL fans, but hockey fans that want to see a good show rather than "their team", this is hard i think because this year we don't have the type of players like Nummelin, Metropolit or Peltonen. In the past we got Huet, Nylander, Sjödin, Walz (but just some game), etc, now is more hard to lure high quality foreign players in Switzerland.
Not sure about marketing the game in Italy. Sure, the potential is here, but considering the population of the Lugano area itself, wouldn't it be better to attract more local fans than trying to get them as far as in Milan ? And regarding your idea of attracting fans of the game rather than fans of the team, I simply don't think it's worth it considering that most hockey fans in Switzerland are following a team, most people at games have simply no idea about who the away team's best players are.

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I agree with you again, i would add that most of the games at the Resega didn't show much of guest fans. It's really hard for everyone travel from the central swiss to Lugano in a work day, it's better on Saturday, but overall they are not much more than 150-200.

For solohockey and ticino's media i find that if they want to point a drop in attendance, the problem last year is more those of the Zurich SC. Like HC Lugano they got a really good palmares in the last 10 years, but for some reason their attendance dropped by 1100 in one year. Good or bad Lugano is always stable, if a club is having problem, i would say it's ZSC more than Lugano.
ZSC's attendance troubles can be explained by the team underachieving for the past two seasons, and FCZ's success lately probably didn't help.

Lugano may be more stable, but it's still way below than what it should be when you consider the population of the Luganese district and the lack of other successful sport team in the city, though this doesn't seem to hold much weight as HCL's attendance wasn't much different back when FC Lugano was a good team.

Anyway, the game is played on the ice, not around it. Attendance figures are good for Lausanne fans arguing why they deserve a top league spot, fans of successful teams shouldn't bother much with that.

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Not sure about marketing the game in Italy. Sure, the potential is here, but considering the population of the Lugano area itself, wouldn't it be better to attract more local fans than trying to get them as far as in Milan ? And regarding your idea of attracting fans of the game rather than fans of the team, I simply don't think it's worth it considering that most hockey fans in Switzerland are following a team, most people at games have simply no idea about who the away team's best players are.
This is true, Milano maybe is too distant, but other cities near the border are for sure more "marketable" (sorry for the word ). Already today there are people from Varese and Como that come for the match of HCL.
I don't know if everyone has a team, for the most is true, but i'm a fan of HCL, and when i see a good game i like more a loss than a win, let's say for 7-0. I don't think i'm the only one with this perspective, maybe a problem is the direct competitivity that NHL is taking now that we can see NA games live. The same problem with...-->
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Lugano may be more stable, but it's still way below than what it should be when you consider the population of the Luganese district and the lack of other successful sport team in the city, though this doesn't seem to hold much weight as HCL's attendance wasn't much different back when FC Lugano was a good team.
-->...this, i think that italian's soccer is the real problem, in every championship league's round our bar are filled with soccer fan, many travel to Milano or Torino for watching. This is why i think that FCL got the same problem in attendance. We don't have many successful sport team, but even if we have one or two, the "monster" of soccer in Italy with his wordwide quality is a difficult competitor in our market.

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With Zanatta coaching, 7-0 wins are highly unlikely anyway

But my point was that most fans come to see the team. In my opinion, whether or not a player of Nummelin's caliber is playing is irrelevant in this case.

And regarding your point about bars being full when showing football games, it just mean that sport fans exist and a way to get them in the arena shall be found. Fans traveling to games in Milan or Turin are probably more Milan/Inter/Juve fans than sport fans, but those watching in bars may come to the Resega if attracted by a good marketing job. It's now Rossi's job to get them there.

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Hockey is a sport growing in attractivity ... watch a football game ... you may sleep in. watch a Hockey game ... you may also sleep in but the probabilities are just inferior. Coz the spectacle is simply more present. There is much more action. In a way hockey players are the modern "gladiators".

Some years ago, i was arguing that Geneva could have a hockey team ... the answers around me were very negative ... already a good football team ... people have no interest ... no hockey culture ... bla bla bla ... today it is a fact ... and a success.

In some years i would imagine a type of super european ligue (comparable to NHL and the ahl, and other inferior ligas ... ) with farm teams .... same model then the US.

I am convinced that the big european cities can have enough fans to maintain a super ice hocke team ... imagine Paris, Barcelona, Madrid, Roma, Berlin, Zurich, Bern, Basle, London, Amsterdam, Brussels, Helsinky, Goteborg, Oslo, Prague, Moscou, St Petersburg, Minsk ... having ice hockey teams. And farm teams ... But this would be in 10 years ... (a vision). But why not !! for Switzerland farm teams would be our actual teams ... minus the one able to maintain a 15'000 fans per game.

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The idea of a NHL-kind league in Europe was discussed many times on this board, and it was agreed that it likely wouldn't work. People in London, Paris, Rome... just don't care about hockey, and fans in Helsinki, Stockholm and the likes already have team they cheer for.

Do you think a team called the Bern Bears playing the Stockholm Vikings or whatever would attract a crowd of 15000 ? Fans in Bern want to see a team called SCB play against Davos, Lugano or Fribourg. Putting tradition aside would do no good to any team that might join this european league.

Trying to set up a champions' league, as it was done in every other successful team sports, is a way more realistic goal. I just hope the next project is the right one.

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That number still would have no meaning at all. Big cities are at a severe disadvantage by default. The population/attendance ratio is not a good measurement for anything, nor can it be used to show how many fans there would be if the city was bigger or smaller.

You are assuming that the ratio would stay the same, but it wouldn't. The ratio you have is only the picture of the city as it is right now, calculated by the number of fans and the population number. You can't just take the result, turn it around and use it as basis for what would happen if the default values would be different.

That kind of math would only work, if the first calculation was done with a defined average citizen. Since the "new" citizens (the number by which the city is larger) aren't in any way associated with the people already living in the city, you can't just assume that the ratio of fans would be the same among that group. For all we know, all "new" citizens could hate hockey...

To take the example even further:
If there would be a village of 100 people, and 50 of them would be at every game of their local football club, you couldn't assume that there would be 500,000 if the village was a city and had a population of 1,000,000 people.
Of course you cannot use that type of calculation, yet you can still infer what kind of a success you might have by watching at the other sports... in Geneva, Their was the Geneve Servette ... a football club that is as old as the city ... (slight exageration of course !) ... fans were fans ... but they were looking for something else ... hockey came ... Today ... most of their hockey fans are old football fans !! + some people who went to watch one/two/three football games a year who today go once/twice per month to see hockey. many adapted to a more modern, dynamic, lively and action oriented sport.

I would say that the you can treat this like any product with marketing ... the product being hockey, substitution product could be another hockey club or another sport ... or finally other activity. Is their a need ...

That is called a market study ... and it leads to reasonable understanding of the potentiality of a success of something.

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The idea of a NHL-kind league in Europe was discussed many times on this board, and it was agreed that it likely wouldn't work. People in London, Paris, Rome... just don't care about hockey, and fans in Helsinki, Stockholm and the likes already have team they cheer for.

Do you think a team called the Bern Bears playing the Stockholm Vikings or whatever would attract a crowd of 15000 ? Fans in Bern want to see a team called SCB play against Davos, Lugano or Fribourg. Putting tradition aside would do no good to any team that might join this european league.

Trying to set up a champions' league, as it was done in every other successful team sports, is a way more realistic goal. I just hope the next project is the right one.
I disagree with you ... for the following reasons :

1) Los Angeles, Anaheim, Miami or Dallas didn't give a dam **** about hockey some years ago !!! today it is all different. You need no culture to love a sport ... culture will follow ... I saw this in Geneva ... no hockey culture ... today their is a hockey team and schools of hockey for childrens are full ... they do not what to do with new applications !!!

2) in European football, fans of Arsenal will go to see them play against Everton or Leeds or ..., but they will also go and see Arsenal play real Madrid or Lazzio Roma. Not only they will go, but additionally, even the natural fan of Everton may go as a fan of Arsenal vs REal ...

trust me ... the mistake is immobilisme ... (i heard all the same stories about Geneva and hockey ... today the story is different !!! because hockey is an attractive sport that gains ground and attracts MORE people coz it is SPECTALE !!!)

But as you say, it may have been discussed and nothing will change ... things will take place alone ... because the demand is here.

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Geneva may not have had much of a hockey culture five years ago, but hockey wasn't unknown either as there was TV coverage of the league. Now with hockey as a new trendy thing, some marketing and a struggling football team who never was that popular to begin with, you get good attendances, but nothing spectacularly higher than the league average.

Now look at some of the cities you suggested for an international league. Most people in Paris, Rome or Barcelona have simply no idea what hockey is, and promoting the game would be next to impossible as there's no way hockey would take coverage away from football, or even basketball and some others team sports. It just not compare to Geneva's situation.

The case for Helsinki, Stockholm and the likes is very different as hockey is already working well (even if you may argue that Stockholm is not Sweden's hockey hotbed), but the economics won't work the same as in the NHL. There's just no way a team like Jokerit can afford NHL-like expenses, and charging NHL-like ticket prices is out of question.

And about your second point, yes Arsenal fans buy tickets to see Real or Lazio, but european cups in football always had a popularity that their hockey counterparts never had. The average SC Bern fan probably can't name a player from Jokerit, Färjestads or Metallurg, while every Arsenal fan know of Kaka when they play Milan. Of course it may change with a well marketed champions' league like competition, but it will still time.

And having popular international game doesn't mean that fans would give up their local league. Do you really think Arsenal fans don't care about games against their historical rivals like Tottenham, Liverpool or Man U ? Of course they care, and they wouldn't trade those for more games against Bayern, Milan or Real. That's the reason ideas for a european super league made of teams leaving their national league never went far, and if such a league can't be set up in a sport with a long tradition for international games like football, hoping to do it in hockey is just foolish, and even if one day a successful european cup finally works and SC Bern sells out games against Sparta Prag or Kärpät, fans wouldn't give up traditional rivalries against Davos or Lugano.

And what about teams not involved in your NHL-like league ? Some Everton fans may cheer for Arsenal when watching them play a foreign team on TV, but would these Everton fans consider travelling to London to watch Arsenal represent english football in a game against Bayern ? Of course no, they care more about their next game at Goodison Park against Wigan. That may not be that important as Arsenal don't need people comming from Liverpool to sell out their games, but if you translate the situation to hockey, would people from Gothenburg travel to Stockholm to watch Djurgårdens represent swedish hockey in the european league, or would they care about Frölunda's next home game against MoDo ? You guess the answer, but unlike Arsenal, Djurgårdens won't sell out the game without people from other cities.

You're right when you say immobilism is a mistake. That's why I was against the swiss league going back to four import players. That's why I was for increasing the number of regular season games. That's why I'm not screaming "Basle will never be a hockey town, bring back Sierre instead". That's why I don't support automatic promotion for the NLB champion like in the "good old days". That's why I've supported every IIHF attempts at an international club competition. But I'm not for a NHL-like league in Europe, because, as of 2007, it just cannot work and, unlike you said, the demand is simply not here. Maybe one day, but today it is just unrealistic.

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10-16-2007, 08:51 AM
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switzerland also has really poor media coverage, not necessarily quantity, but quality... game reports seem interchangeable, even "behind the scene"-stories are poorly done, at least around zürich.
if you want to do a euro-league, you need some love for hockey, not just love for your home team. you need people to understand hockey more in depth, appreciate the game more.

on the other hand you also need corporate boxes in the arenas to generate money. and for big companies like UBS or ABB to rent boxes you either need a hockey crazy CEO or some hype around the game, surround the game with an aura of coolness, make it attractive, hype it up... it works on a small scale for the annual spengler cup.


i even enjoy watching other beer league games, because i love the game... that love is something you have to instill into potential hockey fans.

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