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09-13-2007, 03:30 AM
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FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.

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09-13-2007, 05:53 AM
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FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.
Raymond was sublime.

His greatness cannot be measured in stats. He is a few notches better than any numbers he put up. The top fie or six memories I have of him involve no goals or assists or hits, just amazing smarts, solid decisionmaking and the ability and will to carry it out.

I have never seen better in the last quarter century.

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Just so we're clear, not trashing Ray Bourque... I'm just saying there was very VERY little breathing room in between he and Lafleur for me, and the Cups won me over.

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The Mustangs are proud to select LW/C Mark Messier

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The Mustangs are proud to select LW/C Mark Messier
love this guy!

(more effective as a centre than a left winger though)

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I didn't plan on a Canuck fan taking Messier was pretty confident I'd get him, on to plan B

The Edmonton Oilers select: Jacques Plante

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Raymond was sublime.

His greatness cannot be measured in stats. He is a few notches better than any numbers he put up. The top fie or six memories I have of him involve no goals or assists or hits, just amazing smarts, solid decisionmaking and the ability and will to carry it out.

I have never seen better in the last quarter century.
He should have won the Hart Trophy in 1989-90. Messier was great that year and he deserved to win the Pearson as the best player in the league. But in terms of the guy who meant the most to his team's success, it was Bourque.

As for Messier, his ability to play LW (the weakest position in the draft) makes him such a valuable asset. There are better players still available, but they're guys who play one position. Get a guy like Messier who can dominate with skill and physical play at a second position, and you have a big-time asset.

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09-13-2007, 09:31 AM
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I didn't plan on a Canuck fan taking Messier was pretty condfident I'd get him, on to plan B

The Edmonton Oilers select: Jacques Plante
Good choice, I always though Plante went too late in these things (and should have been the first goalie selected).

It's scary thinking about you making a team like last time except with Plante in net.

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Nice picking boys, this draft is rollin....

Im looking to pick now or the next couple of picks. Anyone wants to trade down to #21 ?

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and we were doing so well...

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Sorry for taking so long. The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select D Denis Potvin, winner of three Norris trophies and captain of four Stanley Cup-winning teams.


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blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time).

For anyone interested in moving up, I'll take offers on my #16...

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blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time)
actually... he went 15 last time... and 14 the draft before that

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blast. I was really hoping for Potvin at 16, and I figured I might have a shot (he went 17 last time).

For anyone interested in moving up, I'll take offers on my #16...
That'd be pretty sweet if we got Bourque at 11 and then you managed Potvin at 16...There's so little separating those two, it'd be a huge steal I think.

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FYI - Ray Bourque led defensemen in playoff scoring 4 times. I believe that ties him for 3rd all-time.
Denis Potvin, not surprisingly, is alone in 2nd. He accomplished it 5 times.


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09-13-2007, 09:37 PM
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Denis Potvin is not surprisingly alone in 2nd. He accomplished it 5 times.
on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.

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09-13-2007, 09:47 PM
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on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.
Perhaps because he didn't need to.

There's an argument to be made for the indomitable will of a winner, and Potvin certainly had that. Again, not to belittle a legend like Bourque, but Potvin had a notorious determination to be the very best, even when it got him in trouble, like after the '76 Canada Cup.


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Perhaps because he didn't need to.

There's certainly an argument to be made for the indomitable will of a winner, and Potvin certainly had that. Again, not to belittle a legend like Bourque, but Potvin had a notorious determination to be the very best, even when it got him in trouble, like after the '76 Canada Cup.
Plus Potvin had that nasty, sometimes over the edge type game that you love to see in defensemen. Granted I've only seen him in a small handful of games, but it's definitely close between the two of them.

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09-13-2007, 10:05 PM
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on an Islanders team stacked in a way that Bourque could only dream about in Boston

sorry, ... I saw them both play for years and think Bourque better, all things considered. Bourque could singlehandedly carry a team on his back, and did at times. Potvin was part of a great team and as such didn't stand out as much.
Potvin was the leader of that all-time great team.

IMO very very close.

Bourque gets the slightest of edges because of his longevity, but I'll take Potvin in his prime over anyone post-Orr.

Potvin was Bourque with a nasty streak.

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09-13-2007, 10:06 PM
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Well, Bourque is the better defenseman, but I think Potvin is very close, if not equal, in peak value. (Bourque of course gets the edge in longevity). Potvin is the tougher/more aggressive hitter and is at least as good as Bourque defensively. He has a mean streak to intimidate the other teams' toughest players AND enough discipline to stay out of the penalty box so that he can play 30 minutes per game; that's a rare combination.

I also consider Potvin the better playoff performer; that's not a knock on Bourque, and it's not because he only won one Cup. It's because Potvin repeatedly delivered Conn Smythe-calibre performances, both during his dynasty years and before, while being a dominant force in both ends. Doctordark is right, Potvin did was incredibly competitive and had strong drive to win; his Orr comments at the 1976 Canada Cup, while misguided, are proof of his desire to be the best, basically from the start of his career.

I can't give a full discussion here due to our conventions about unnamed players. I will say that, however, that Potvin won the Norris, scored 31 goals and 98 points, and, most importantly, put up 19 points in 13 PO games to pretty much singlehandedly lead his team to the conference finals, in his 3rd year, on a team that was no better than anything Bourque ever had in Boston. Potvin dominated on weak teams and on dynasty teams.

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09-13-2007, 10:18 PM
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maybe we'll start seeing Potvin drafted before Bourque around here...

we're waiting on a newbie to draft next... take the rest of the day off folks. The Hockey Guy might not be around today

see you all on the weekend

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09-13-2007, 11:58 PM
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I guess it's worth asking before we 'officially' get started, was there ever a decision on time limits once the draft starts?

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I guess it's worth asking before we 'officially' get started, was there ever a decision on time limits once the draft starts?
I'd say nine hours. Today is evidence that this thing can drag. Every time you miss that time frame, your limit gets reduced by an hour.

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