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MTL wouldn't give up Price + Higgins. That's the point. If Heatley is traded, it won't be within the division, unless an insane return is offerred.
How did you turn Kost + Lats + pick into 3 first line wingers? That's quite the assumption. They are prospects. Heatley is the real deal.
Latendresse and Kosty aren't prospects anymore, there both NHL players with alot of potential,the 1st pick is a bit of a strech but 2008 looks to have alot of promising players
I can't really see Ottawa moving Heatley. They are going to be aiming for the Cup this year, and I just can't see them moving their top goal-scorer. No one is going to want to pay the price the Sens will be asking if there is a risk Heater walks as an UFA this coming off-season, and why would the Sens trade him if they got him signed to an extension? I see Ottawa making a last run a the Cup, and Heatley walking as an UFA this coming off-season to the tune of near maximum salary.
When I thought about what would the Habs have to give, the first thing that came to mind was Price + Higgins at least and even there, I'm not sure I'd want to do that deal if I was Ottawa.
One does not normally trade a top-5 in the NHL player to your division rival. Heck, you try to trade him out of the conference if at all possible. For Ottawa to deal Heatley to the Habs, it'd have to be for laughable overpayment. I wouldn't want to see that happen as a Habs fan.
Alex Tanguay, Matthew Lombardi and a 4th round pick for Dany Heatley and a conditional 3rd.
Calgary gets a ridiculously talented LW to flank Langkow and Iginla, creating one of the best gritty 1st lines in the league. Iginla on the same line as Heatley would carry the load of the Flames' offense, and it also give local boy Heater a chance to play at home. The spot created by Lombardi can be filled by Dustin Boyd.
Ottawa gets a replacement of Heater's offense with offensively talented, speedy, top-six forwards in Tanguay and Lombardi.
Tanguay is signed for this season and next season with a cap hit of apprx. $5.25 million, and Lombardi just signed a new three-year contract for an apprx. $1.8 million cap hit (I think).
This trade assumes Calgary makes a run for the Cup with Heatley; similarly, it also give Ottawa more firepower up front for their run.
The third is conditional on Heatley re-signing next summer.
Yes, but the gap between RFA and UFA is pretty slim at this point. Vanek at $7M, and Crosby signing at $8.7M has certainly changed the landscape for first time RFAs.
But, this is a tangent though. The uncertainty of whether Heatley would sign an extension is enough to not want to trade. I'm just pointing out that the salary levels of the two players are likely going to be very comparable over few years.
true to a point. malkin will likely be extended at 7.5 per year long term within two years. i'm sure both ottawa and pittsburgh would rather hold on to their own guys.
Alex Tanguay, Matthew Lombardi and a 4th round pick for Dany Heatley and a conditional 3rd.
Calgary gets a ridiculously talented LW to flank Langkow and Iginla, creating one of the best gritty 1st lines in the league. Iginla on the same line as Heatley would carry the load of the Flames' offense, and it also give local boy Heater a chance to play at home. The spot created by Lombardi can be filled by Dustin Boyd.
Ottawa gets a replacement of Heater's offense with offensively talented, speedy, top-six forwards in Tanguay and Lombardi.
Tanguay is signed for this season and next season with a cap hit of apprx. $5.25 million, and Lombardi just signed a new three-year contract for an apprx. $1.8 million cap hit (I think).
This trade assumes Calgary makes a run for the Cup with Heatley; similarly, it also give Ottawa more firepower up front for their run.
The third is conditional on Heatley re-signing next summer.
you're kidding me right? both those players combined had 8 less goals that Heatley last year. look at the other offers on the thread and then tell me, realistically, that this offer is in the same ballpark.
When I thought about what would the Habs have to give, the first thing that came to mind was Price + Higgins at least and even there, I'm not sure I'd want to do that deal if I was Ottawa.
One does not normally trade a top-5 in the NHL player to your division rival. Heck, you try to trade him out of the conference if at all possible. For Ottawa to deal Heatley to the Habs, it'd have to be for laughable overpayment. I wouldn't want to see that happen as a Habs fan.
your crazy! Higgins is a two-way forward who would get ATLEAST 40 goals playing along side Spezza and Price would become your franchise goalie for the next 15 years, all at a much cheaper price tag next year
your crazy! Higgins is a two-way forward who would get ATLEAST 40 goals playing along side Spezza and Price would become your franchise goalie for the next 15 years, all at a much cheaper price tag next year
your crazy! Higgins is a two-way forward who would get ATLEAST 40 goals playing along side Spezza and Price would become your franchise goalie for the next 15 years, all at a much cheaper price tag next year
No you are crazy = if Ottawa offered me Heatley for those 2 I'd do it in a flash, provided I could sign him. Higgins hasn't even topped 30 goals at any level, so I think you are inflating his value. Price is a great prospect, but so was Dan Blackburn.
you're kidding me right? both those players combined had 8 less goals that Heatley last year. look at the other offers on the thread and then tell me, realistically, that this offer is in the same ballpark.
I'm not kidding. I think this is a very fair offer, and please keep in mind that Tanguay and Lombardi are both signed beyond this year; Heatley isn't. Offering anything more at this point would be foolish, despite your hard on for Heater. He may be coming off a great season, but getting Tanguay and Lombardi in a trade isn't chopped liver, either.
And if you want to bust out the stats, Tanguay and Lombari had 127 points between them, which is 22 more points than Heatley had, so you're not losing any offense. And c'mon... 8 less goals? You're actually going to use that weak argument to support yourself? It's 8 goals... not 80. Yeeeesh.
I'm not kidding. I think this is a very fair offer, and please keep in mind that Tanguay and Lombardi are both signed beyond this year; Heatley isn't. Offering anything more at this point would be foolish, despite your hard on for Heater. He may be coming off a great season, but getting Tanguay and Lombardi in a trade isn't chopped liver, either.
And if you want to bust out the stats, Tanguay and Lombari had 127 points between them, which is 22 more points than Heatley had, so you're not losing any offense. And c'mon... 8 less goals? You're actually going to use that weak argument to support yourself? It's 8 goals... not 80. Yeeeesh.
yeah, they are signed beyond next season, but not for great deals. lombardi at 1.8 isn't terrible, but what does he really add to our team? as for tanguay. the guy is plain and simple unimpressive. and for 5.25 mil per season? this trade makes calgary a helluva lot better and ottawa a helluva lot worse. it would save us maybe 1.5-2 mil and gives us no future prospects. but if we needed salary space, we wouldn't get it by dumping our best player.
you want heatley, you're giving up iggy or phaneuf. you don't want to, tough, because heater is a better player than both.
you want heatley, you're giving up iggy or phaneuf. you don't want to, tough, because heater is a better player than both.
Tanguay and Lombardi for Heatley is one extreme. Iginla or Phaneuf is the other. That's absolutely ridiculous. Dany Heatley is not worth anything close to either player.
Tanguay and Lombardi for Heatley is one extreme. Iginla or Phaneuf is the other. That's absolutely ridiculous. Dany Heatley is not worth anything close to either player.
if you overvalue Phaneuf so much to the point that you think he's worth more than Dany Heatley, you're dreaming. all heatley does is score and score consistently. he's scored for atlanta, team canada, the senators, during the regular season, in the playoffs, with spezza, without spezza. phaneuf hits people hard. we have volchenkov for that.
as for iggy, that's a lot closer...he is grittier and of course has the leadership/vet qualities, but heatley's the best goalscorer in the game right now. granted, if iggy played with spezza, im sure that he would put up some goals. but heatley's put up back-to-back 50 goal, 100 pt season and iggy hasn't. potential is less significant.
if you overvalue Phaneuf so much to the point that you think he's worth more than Dany Heatley, you're dreaming. all heatley does is score and score consistently. he's scored for atlanta, team canada, the senators, during the regular season, in the playoffs, with spezza, without spezza. phaneuf hits people hard. we have volchenkov for that.
as for iggy, that's a lot closer...he is grittier and of course has the leadership/vet qualities, but heatley's the best goalscorer in the game right now. granted, if iggy played with spezza, im sure that he would put up some goals. but heatley's put up back-to-back 50 goal, 100 pt season and iggy hasn't. potential is less significant.
No one is over-valuing Phaneuf. The only players he'd ever get traded for are Crosby, Ovechkin, or Evgeni Malkin. He is the third defenseman in NHL history to score 20 goals in his rookie season. No defenseman in the league has scored more goals in the two years since Phaneuf came into the league.
Heatley is a free agent next summer. His value depreciates rapidly, and if you asked for a Phaneuf or Iginla for him, Darryl Sutter would laugh his ass off.
Iginla probably won't put up Heatley's numbers, but he is a better leader, more physical, and has done what Heatley hasn't done, put a team on his back during the playoffs. What did Heatley do during the Cup Finals this year? Disappear?
No one is over-valuing Phaneuf. The only players he'd ever get traded for are Crosby, Ovechkin, or Evgeni Malkin. He is the third defenseman in NHL history to score 20 goals in his rookie season. No defenseman in the league has scored more goals in the two years since Phaneuf came into the league.
Heatley is a free agent next summer. His value depreciates rapidly, and if you asked for a Phaneuf or Iginla for him, Darryl Sutter would laugh his ass off.
Iginla probably won't put up Heatley's numbers, but he is a better leader, more physical, and has done what Heatley hasn't done, put a team on his back during the playoffs. What did Heatley do during the Cup Finals this year? Disappear?
Big whoop. Phaneuf scored 20 goals in his first season. Congrats. He still has a long way to go before being one of the best defensemen in the league, and he better get a lot smarter if he's ever going to win a Norris. His -12 rating and 2 points in 13 playoff games don't look too good for him wither.
Heatley is probably going to become the first player to score 50 goals in 3 straight seasons, has scored on every team/every league/every tournament he's ever played in and has produced in postseason play. He's arguable the top goalscorer in the league right now, and at 26, still hasn't hit his prime.
If Phaneuf ever becomes a top 5 defenseman in the league, then yes, he'll have as much value as Heatley, but there's no telling whether that will ever happen, and personally, I'll take the sure thing over the maybe every time.
If Calgary could sign him to an extension, they'd be stupid not to trade Phaneuf for Heatley, just like Nashville would be stupid to not trade Weber for Joe Thornton if it was offered.
Iginla is another story, because he's the captain, a comparable player + signed longterm, so Calgary probably wouldn't make that trade.
Ottawa is trying to win now, so unless there is an overpayment of an equal-level superstar who is signed nicely past this season, there is no deal to be made that won't hurt their Cup chances.
If such a superstar was available, why would his current team trade him for Heatley? They wouldn't unless it's some situation where the player DEMANDS a trade for off-ice reasons.
So basically it comes down to either Heatley signs an extension or he walks as a UFA. No trade.
No one is over-valuing Phaneuf. The only players he'd ever get traded for are Crosby, Ovechkin, or Evgeni Malkin. He is the third defenseman in NHL history to score 20 goals in his rookie season. No defenseman in the league has scored more goals in the two years since Phaneuf came into the league.
Heatley is a free agent next summer. His value depreciates rapidly, and if you asked for a Phaneuf or Iginla for him, Darryl Sutter would laugh his ass off.
Iginla probably won't put up Heatley's numbers, but he is a better leader, more physical, and has done what Heatley hasn't done, put a team on his back during the playoffs. What did Heatley do during the Cup Finals this year? Disappear?
goals from a defenseman is the most important factor to a winning team right? that's why every team scrambled to sign Souray. that's why everyday the Leafs get a call from a GM trying to steal McCabe from them. and for the record, in the past two years, Phaneuf's had 37 goals, Souray's had 38. he's a great defenseman, no doubt. but his value as a player is not as high as heatley's.
as for iginla carrying the team on his back. sure did, with a little help from kipper. like i said, iggy for heater is pretty much a scratch. except for the contract. to say heatley is "not worth anything close" to those two players is a statement that has no merit. especially in phaneuf's case.
