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01-08-2004, 05:30 AM
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Top 25 Players round 4

I have thought of a fair way to decide the argument of top players in the NHL. I will provide a list of every player noteworthy, with everyone voting for who they think is the best player still on the list. We will omit the winning name each time, adding him to the appropriate spot on the top 25 list, and keep everyone else, until a full top 25 is decided. (No goalies, 10 votes for one player clinches, or the leader after 24 hours if 10 votes for one man do not occur.)

--Nicklas Lidstrom won that round with minor competition from a large supporting cast. So far the world's #1 ranked hockey country has not registered a single player on the list, but with the type of players recieving votes after Lidstrom, it looks like we'll see a Canadian in the top 5. The question is, who?--

Top players list:
1) Peter Forsberg
2) Markus Naslund
3) Nicklas Lidstrom

Remaining players eligible:
Daniel Alfredsson
Jason Allison
Adrian Aucoin
Todd Bertuzzi
Rob Blake
Mike Comrie
Pavel Datsyuk
Pavol Demitra
Patrick Elias
Sergei Fedorov
Adam Foote
Marian Gaborik
Simon Gagne
Bill Guerin
Martin Havlat
Milan Hejduk
Dany Heatley
Marian Hossa
Jarome Iginla
Jaromir Jagr
Ed Jovanovski
Paul Kariya
Saku Koivu
Ilya Kovalchuk
Alexei Kovalev
Robert Lang
John Leclair
Brian Leetch
Jere Lehtinen
Mario Lemieux
Eric Lindros
Mark Messier
Mike Modano
Alexander Mogilny
Glen Murray
Rick Nash
Scott Neidermayer
Janne Niinimaa
Owen Nolan
Ziggy Palffy
Michael Peca
Chris Pronger
Wade Redden
Gary Roberts
Jeremy Roenick
Joe Sakic
Miroslav Satan
Teemu Selanne
Martin St. Louis
Mats Sundin
Scott Stevens
Alex Tanguay
Joe Thornton
Keith Tkachuk
Doug Weight
Alexei Yashin
Mike York

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01-08-2004, 05:44 AM
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Pronger.

It isn't even close.

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? Bertuzzi is completely laughable but you saying Pronger "isn't even close" is fine? Because I can assure you, Pronger does not dominate every player left on that list.

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Sakic. He is simply amazing and continues to be the Avs heart and Soul.

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The top three players in the league are Forsberg, Pronger, and Lidstrom.

Until Naslund drastically improves his game on the other end of the ice (and yes, I recognize that it has improved), he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same group. Unfortunately hype greatly effects peoples' opinions.

Bertuzzi hasn't even been the best power forward in the league this season and with just a quick glance at the list there's at least 5 players I'd take before him including another Canuck.

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Quote:
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The top three players in the league are Forsberg, Pronger, and Lidstrom.

Until Naslund drastically improves his game on the other end of the ice (and yes, I recognize that it has improved), he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same group. Unfortunately hype greatly effects peoples' opinions.

Bertuzzi hasn't even been the best power forward in the league this season and with just a quick glance at the list there's at least 5 players I'd take before him including another Canuck.
Obviously the majority of hockey people disagree with your assessment. Until Pronger can stay healthy for more than a few seasons, along with Forsberg I say Nalsund, Lidstrom and Sakic are the top 3.

Its all how you look at it.

This poll is a vote poll, and I think it has meritt. Forsberg was the consensus #1, Naslund #2, and Lidstrom #3. I am so sorry your eye candy didn't make the top 3.

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The majority of hockey people also voted PJ Stock as the 8th best enforcer in hockey.

Polls like these have little meritt. To start with, they don't take into consideration how well a person knows hockey. I could register today at a MLS forum and vote in a similar poll and I know nothing about the league. It doesn't take bias into consideration. There are no rules set... some will take health into consideration, others will not. Some will take salary into consideration, others will not. And even if rules were set people would ignore them.

Another thing... I'm curious where Al MacInnis is. If Mario is on there, he should be also. (Though, neither really should be especially considering Mario should have been a unanimous #1 if he was truly being considered).

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Until Naslund drastically improves his game on the other end of the ice (and yes, I recognize that it has improved), he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same group. Unfortunately hype greatly effects peoples' opinions.
watch some Canucks games and look athe +/- standings this year after you remove your foot from your big mouth.

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watch some Canucks games and look athe +/- standings this year after you remove your foot from your big mouth.
Pavol Demitra once finished 4th in the Selke voting because of his high +/-.

Would you want him out there for the Canucks with a one goal lead and 2 minutes left in game 7 of the SCF's?

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Burnby Joe Sakic. Hes the best! the best i tell you.

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Sakic.

why are Nagy and Doan not on the list if second tier players like Comrie and York are? No Gonchar or Numminen either? I think you should have set a performance bar. Seems to me Comrie Havlat and York are on the list simply because they play / played for Canadian teams. None of them have even scored more than 60 points.

Also are we comparing past greats on how they play now or how good they used to be.

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I can't believe people consider Naslund the 2nd best skater in the NHL. But hey, it's a popularity contest, so you get what you get...

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Yzerman vs. Pronger? We know the outcome of that one! ha ha (sorry, and I am a fan of Chris Pronger too)

Maybe too much is made of Yzerman's leadership and toughness, but his ability to suck it up and play for the team is admirable... not only the physical aspect of playing on one badly misaligned leg, but also the personal ability to change his game to suit Bowman's demands.

In round 3, I voted for Sakic, and it looks like he's going to win, regardless of what I vote. Joe has many of the qualities of Yzerman... he's like a slightly younger version of Steve Yzerman, and since it looks like Lidstrom was voted in on reputation, then Yzerman should be ahead of Joe.

And I agree Lemieux should already be up there... he deserves his own category.

 
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