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01-08-2004, 10:35 AM
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how long do you keep Oates in the line-up

How long do you keep Oates in the line-up once Reasoner returns?

Oates stats are 18 games 0 goals 3 asst 3 pts -4

Sure he has help in the face-off dot but he has been non-factor the rest of the time.

I think are centers are better with:

1st York, Dvorak, Torres
2nd Reasoner, Smyth, Isbister
3rd Horcoff, Hemsky, Moreau
4th Stoll, Laraque/Pisani or Chimera

I have been waiting for 2 months to see if Oates's game will improve but it looks more like the tank is empty. His play has not been good enough to keep him on one of the top two lines. So I would sit him once Reasoner plays a couple games.

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How long do you keep Oates in the line-up once Reasoner returns?
An excellent question. Let's face it, he's an assist guy, and there aren't many guys on this team that can put the puck in the net, but he has to be doing more.

Not to switch into I Told You So mode (okay, maybe a little), but how close is this to becoming another Dopita experience for anyone?

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That's always the risk but at least he sorted out our faceoffs and our god awful pp has just now become awful pp.

Let's give him a shot the biggest difference between him and Dopita is that he is a futuer HoF and i realise that most would say that counts for nothing right now but i think it does as he could turn his play around once he's up to speed.

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Oates will have a better 2nd half and he'll be a lot more useful if he could find someone on this team who had some finish. I'm sorry but how are they a better team at centre with him out when Reasoner gets back?

If i'm not mistaken,those are the same bunch that they had playing before they even picked up Oates and they did nothing. If the Oilers continue to suck Oates will get traded to a contender and he'll produce because he'd have some talent around him where as the Oil have very little up front.

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That's always the risk but at least he sorted out our faceoffs and our god awful pp has just now become awful pp.

Let's give him a shot the biggest difference between him and Dopita is that he is a futuer HoF and i realise that most would say that counts for nothing right now but i think it does as he could turn his play around once he's up to speed.
Not to mention the veteran presence and respect he brings to the dressing room...

Oates has been playing better in the last few games, I really like him between Izzy and Smytty. I think as a PP/face off specialist he is very effective and when (not if) we make the playoffs his true value will shine through.

If we fall off and are well out of it at the deadline, the pic we get back for him will be better than what we got back for Dopita. Remember, we lost a pick for nothing in Dopita. We may well get a pick for nothing in Oates.

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"The biggest difference between him and Dopita is that he is a future HoF"


You are kidding right? That's not even funny to jokingly suggest that. Don't you think the Oilers were just a tiny bit more talented on offence when Dopita was here last season?

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I'm actually still willing to cut Oates some slack - from reports by Ducks' fans after we signed him, he had a sub-par first half of the season, but an excellent 2nd half, and I think that *could* happen here as well.

He might be gone at the deadline even if he's playing well, of course, as some were speculating that at the start, and I'm OK with that...but it definitely would be nice to see him on the score sheet more often.

I'd rather sit out Horcoff than Oates, so when Reasoner's back (tonight??) then I'm OK with Horc in the press box.

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Horcoff has arguably been our BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT centreman for the last month. I think sitting him out would be a terrible move. He struggled early on and deserved the flack, but he's out of his slump and is producing consistently for us now. Id much rather have him and stoll or him and reasoner on the same line spliting faceoff duties, and if Im not mistaken, thats what MacT is planning. Horcs and Stoll deserve to be in the line-up before BG is, and Chimera as well to a lesser extent. Oates will come around in the last 30 odd games, for now though, Id be more comfortable with him in a support role on the 4th line with a few call ups like ummm.... Rita and Salemeinen, but I might be talking outta my ars again.

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oates' year sort of reminds me of salo. Both struggled real early but it is obvious that we don't make the playoffs unless they turn it around. Oates can be a very special player and I have read that his conditioning is finally a the point he needs it to be. I am hoping these next 10 games are his turning point.

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oates' year sort of reminds me of salo. Both struggled real early but it is obvious that we don't make the playoffs unless they turn it around. Oates can be a very special player and I have read that his conditioning is finally a the point he needs it to be. I am hoping these next 10 games are his turning point.
I agree. If Salo and Oates suddenly return to form, and Reasoner comes back as good as before, then we will have an amazing second half performance.

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I agree. If Salo and Oates suddenly return to form, and Reasoner comes back as good as before, then we will have an amazing second half performance.
And I agree as well. Coaches repeat it like a mantra. We need our best players to be our best players. For the Oilers to make it we need Salo and Oates because without them playing their best we have no 1st line centre and no number one goalie. It may not be pretty but it is pretty obvious.

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How long do you keep Oates in the line-up once Reasoner returns?

Oates stats are 18 games 0 goals 3 asst 3 pts -4

Sure he has help in the face-off dot but he has been non-factor the rest of the time.

I think are centers are better with:

1st York, Dvorak, Torres
2nd Reasoner, Smyth, Isbister
3rd Horcoff, Hemsky, Moreau
4th Stoll, Laraque/Pisani or Chimera

I have been waiting for 2 months to see if Oates's game will improve but it looks more like the tank is empty. His play has not been good enough to keep him on one of the top two lines. So I would sit him once Reasoner plays a couple games.
I knew Oates was a bad signing from the get-go. Lowe was desperate obviously and chose to overpay a washed up bum. He would have been better off signing Ronning. Anyway, I think the Oilers will continue to play Oates because his name is "Adam Oates". Even though it is painfully obvious to Oilers fans that he is not a good hockey player anymore, I still think that Kevin Lowe and company will not sit Oates as it will prove they made a boo-boo.

The Oilers are done this year anyway. They should just buy him out and go with youth as there is not much point in playing an old man when the team is going nowhere and on top of that, he can't produce at all. I don't care who he is or what he did in the past, if he was still a decent player, he would be in game shape by now. I've watched like 10 games with Oates and he just looks slow and old. He's not even seeing the ice like he use to.

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I knew Oates was a bad signing from the get-go. Lowe was desperate obviously and chose to overpay a washed up bum. He would have been better off signing Ronning. Anyway, I think the Oilers will continue to play Oates because his name is "Adam Oates". Even though it is painfully obvious to Oilers fans that he is not a good hockey player anymore, I still think that Kevin Lowe and company will not sit Oates as it will prove they made a boo-boo.

The Oilers are done this year anyway. They should just buy him out and go with youth as there is not much point in playing an old man when the team is going nowhere and on top of that, he can't produce at all. I don't care who he is or what he did in the past, if he was still a decent player, he would be in game shape by now. I've watched like 10 games with Oates and he just looks slow and old. He's not even seeing the ice like he use to.
Wow, 5 points out of the playoffs means the Oilers are done. Give me a break. As far as Oates is concerned, he's playing better recently, and regardless, we need his face-off skills.

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Wow, 5 points out of the playoffs means the Oilers are done. Give me a break. As far as Oates is concerned, he's playing better recently, and regardless, we need his face-off skills.
5 points doesn't mean they are out. The fact that they need to pass a bunch of teams that are all better than the Oilers is why I say they are out. Oilers fans chose to ignore the fact that this team was not very good at the start of the season. Going on about how good their depth was and how they have one of the deepest teams in the NHL (LOL). But any non-Oilers fan saw a fragile team with a couple better than average players and the rest is just average. They have a brutal D-core with or without Ulanov, and Salo and Conklin is close to the worst G tandem in the NHL.

Oates is playing better recently ??? When.... I saw the last game vs. NJ and before that vs. CHI, MIN, CGY etc... and he looked like garbage to me. I think some of you Oilers fans are defending him because it was a bad signing on Lowe's part. They'd be in no worse shape now if they hadn't signed him which makes it a bad signing.

The only teams in the West that I would give an edge to EDM over is CHI & CLB. That's it, that's all.

Detroit, Colorado, Vancouver, St. Louis, San Jose, Dallas, Calgary, Los Angeles, Nashville, Anaheim, Minnesota & Phoenix are all better teams IMO. You don't have to agree but to me the Oilers are one of the 5-10 worst teams in the NHL.

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This team was 30th in the league on faceoffs before Oates showed up!They have moved up to 18th and it has nothing to do with Horcoff!He has the worst % for the Oil in almost every game.He only had 5 points in 13 games in December.If this team is going to turn it around Oates has proved to be a top 2 line player and he will only get better this year.Horcoff is another Cleary,he has been given every chance to prove he belongs,but Stoll has shown he deserves to be here.Horcoff is not going to get Reasoner's spot in the lineup,so the only spot he may get is the fourth line LW.

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5 points doesn't mean they are out. The fact that they need to pass a bunch of teams that are all better than the Oilers is why I say they are out. Oilers fans chose to ignore the fact that this team was not very good at the start of the season. Going on about how good their depth was and how they have one of the deepest teams in the NHL (LOL). But any non-Oilers fan saw a fragile team with a couple better than average players and the rest is just average. They have a brutal D-core with or without Ulanov, and Salo and Conklin is close to the worst G tandem in the NHL.

Oates is playing better recently ??? When.... I saw the last game vs. NJ and before that vs. CHI, MIN, CGY etc... and he looked like garbage to me. I think some of you Oilers fans are defending him because it was a bad signing on Lowe's part. They'd be in no worse shape now if they hadn't signed him which makes it a bad signing.

The only teams in the West that I would give an edge to EDM over is CHI & CLB. That's it, that's all.

Detroit, Colorado, Vancouver, St. Louis, San Jose, Dallas, Calgary, Los Angeles, Nashville, Anaheim, Minnesota & Phoenix are all better teams IMO. You don't have to agree but to me the Oilers are one of the 5-10 worst teams in the NHL.
Edmonton one of the 5-10 worst teams? How so? This is the same team that finished the season 10+ points over the 9th place team last year, except Comrie and Marchant are gone, while Torres and Oates are in (and many youngsters are a year older). I hardly think that change in personnel suddenly makes them a far weaker team.

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