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01-08-2004, 07:30 PM
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You're so right about this.

There's no point in ever complaining about anything that comes the Leafs way. Everybody hates them and everybody hates Leaf fans.
The line I'm about to say is going to sound like a cheap sentimental line from some horsecrap of a film but here goes:

I don't hate you.

And yeah, that comes from someone in Montreal :p

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Wasn't in good sport? God...people complain that hockey players are too boring. Then then complain when they do something as harmless as this to poke a little fun at the captain of their rival. Give me a break...I don't care who it was against, it was harmless and humorous. I have nothing against Leafs fans, but you really have to get off this "we're so hard done by" bit.

Alfredsson's a great player and a good captain.
When you are up 6-1 at the time and do it in front of the other team's bench.. right.. harmless fun.. nothing to do with sportsmanship at all.


oh i forgot to add..

"We are so hard done by"

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Because it's what we've come to expect from the Leafs. When a little of it comes back, it feels more like karma than bad sportmanship.

The Leafs reap far less than what they've sewn in the poor sportsmanship department. Sometimes the harvest comes due. Deal with it.

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Because he didn't mock Sundin until tonight!
Speaking of mocking, how's Tie and Darcy doing? Good?

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01-08-2004, 07:46 PM
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Because it's what we've come to expect from the Leafs. When a little of it comes back, it feels more like karma than bad sportmanship.

The Leafs reap far less than what they've sewn in the poor sportsmanship department. Sometimes the harvest comes due. Deal with it.
Ok, I'll try.

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As a Swede and Stockholmian I of course have doubts on Alfie as a hockey player and his character. He's from Gothenburg for crying out loud!


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The line I'm about to say is going to sound like a cheap sentimental line from some horsecrap of a film but here goes:

I don't hate you.
That's right up there with "You had me from 'hello'..."

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When one starts a thread questioning someone's character - no small slight - one should expect some pointed responses. Regardless of his/her team.

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I thought it was darn funny..

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When one starts a thread questioning someone's character - no small slight - one should expect some pointed responses. Regardless of his/her team.
Unless it's a Leaf player we're talking about... c'mon, you know I'm right....

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01-08-2004, 08:16 PM
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When you are up 6-1 at the time and do it in front of the other team's bench.. right.. harmless fun.. nothing to do with sportsmanship at all.


oh i forgot to add..

"We are so hard done by"
Honestly, in a rivalry as heated as this one it has little to do with sportsmanship. Stokes the fires a bit, sure...but no reason to come whining about Alfredsson's supposed lack of character. And you didn't have to add the "we are so hard done by", the going on about how everyone hates you guys (which you're wrong about) summed it up nicely.

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If Sundin had have been playing, it wouldn't be so bad. However, Sundin sitting upstairs made the chicken ****ness and disrespect of the fake throw shine with flying colours.

If Domi had have jumped off the bench and beat the crap out of Alfredsson, I'd have said that Alfredsson deserved it.

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01-08-2004, 08:23 PM
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If Sundin had have been playing, it wouldn't be so bad. However, Sundin sitting upstairs made the chicken ****ness and disrespect of the fake throw shine with flying colours.

If Domi had have jumped off the bench and beat the crap out of Alfredsson, I'd have said that Alfredsson deserved it.
How's it chicken ****? Even if Sundin was in the lineup, it wouldn't have been him who did the deed...it would have been Domi or Belak or someone else of that ilk. Alfredsson had as much chance of being given some payback that game as any game.

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How's it chicken ****? Even if Sundin was in the lineup, it wouldn't have been him who did the deed...it would have been Domi or Belak or someone else of that ilk. Alfredsson had as much chance of being given some payback that game as any game.
I don't care who he is mocking. If that player isn't involved in the game, it is chicken ****.

While Sundin likely would have had one of his goons "do the deed", at least Sundin would have had the option to do something about it himself had he been in the lineup.

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I don't care who he is mocking. If that player isn't involved in the game, it is chicken ****.

While Sundin likely would have had one of his goons "do the deed", at least Sundin would have had the option to do something about it himself had he been in the lineup.
Of course, because they'll never meet on the ice ever again. To be completely honest, you calling a guy chicken**** from behind your computer monitor is pretty interesting.

This whole issue is pretty typical of the board lately. Take something that happened, blow it out of proportion by say....3000%, and react as if the perpetrator was the REAL Al Qaeda mastermind. Its hockey, and they're rivals. No one was hurt by it, except for apparently Pat Quinn's feelings. Get over it.

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Of course, because they'll never meet on the ice ever again. To be completely honest, you calling a guy chicken**** from behind your computer monitor is pretty interesting.
Ok...so since I am on my computer, I can't have an opinion on something that happened in an NHL game. *rolls eyes*

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Ok...so since I am on my computer, I can't have an opinion on something that happened in an NHL game. *rolls eyes*
Ah yes, the handy "rolls eyes". I never said you couldn't have an opinion...just saying that calling a guy who's actually in the line of fire (the Leafs could have retaliated if they so wished) chicken **** from the safety of your own home is a shaky one. You could call what Alfredsson did many things and make a decent argument. However, you have some explaining to do if you want to call it chicken, Braveheart.

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Ah yes, the handy "rolls eyes". I never said you couldn't have an opinion...just saying that calling a guy who's actually in the line of fire (the Leafs could have retaliated if they so wished) chicken **** from the safety of your own home is a shaky one. You could call what Alfredsson did many things and make a decent argument. However, you have some explaining to do if you want to call it chicken, Braveheart.
All I need to do is say it is my hockey opinion.

I'm not calling Alfredsson a chicken ****, I'm labelling his action as chicken ****. There is a difference.

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All I need to do is say it is my hockey opinion.

I'm not calling Alfredsson a chicken ****, I'm labelling his action as chicken ****. There is a difference.
IMO, its not close to chicken if you're trying to piss of Domi or Parrott's teammate if they have the chance for retaliation. And if Sundin wants so badly to get back at Alfredsson for his heinous act, then he'll have the chance the next time they face off.

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The originator of this thread is nuts. Goldylocks is a fantastic leader- that is indisputable.

How can you question his leadership, when he almost lead his team to an almost victory over the Leafs in the playoffs for 3 consecutive years!?

When Alfredsson took a superior roster and lost 4 straight games to the Leafs just a few years ago, did he quit? - HELL NO.

When Alfredsson took a superior roster the next year, and lost to the Leafs again, did he quit?- UMM NO!

When Alfredsson took a 3-2 series lead with a superior roster the next year, and blew game 6, did he quit? NO SIR! When Alfredsson went up in game 7 against a team featuring 9 AHLers, and lost that game, did Alfredsson quit? YOU DAMN RIGHT HE DIDN'T!

When Alfredsson faced an opponent missing 6 of it's top players, and being up 6-1, did he give up and put it in 2nd gear? NO WAY, JOSE. He skated right by the bench of the enemy, and showed them his unyielding spirit by defying the silly standards of "sportsmanship".

When Alfredsson drew the ire of Leaf players, did he give into his enemies desires and step a foot on the ice for even one more shift? YOU DAMN SKIPPY HE DIDN'T!

Goldylocks is a true leader, and I'll be damned if I sit here, and let you besmirch his accomplishments!

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The originator of this thread is nuts. Goldylocks is a fantastic leader- that is indisputable.

How can you question his leadership, when he almost lead his team to an almost victory over the Leafs in the playoffs for 3 consecutive years!?

When Alfredsson took a superior roster and lost 4 straight games to the Leafs just a few years ago, did he quit? - HELL NO.

When Alfredsson took a superior roster the next year, and lost to the Leafs again, did he quit?- UMM NO!

When Alfredsson took a 3-2 series lead with a superior roster the next year, and blew game 6, did he quit? NO SIR! When Alfredsson went up in game 7 against a team featuring 9 AHLers, and lost that game, did Alfredsson quit? YOU DAMN RIGHT HE DIDN'T!

When Alfredsson faced an opponent missing 6 of it's top players, and being up 6-1, did he give up and put it in 2nd gear? NO WAY, JOSE. He skated right by the bench of the enemy, and showed them his unyielding spirit by defying the silly standards of "sportsmanship".

When Alfredsson drew the ire of Leaf players, did he give into his enemies desires and step a foot on the ice for even one more shift? YOU DAMN SKIPPY HE DIDN'T!

Goldylocks is a true leader, and I'll be damned if I sit here, and let you besmirch his accomplishments!
Although I consider myself neutral, I laughed hard at this stuff. Somebody please top this!

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I thought it was hillarious when he allmost threw the stick! I'm not sure if he's the superstar some people think he is, but who on the Sens team would YOU rather have as Captain?
Redden.

But... i think his action was totally uncalled for. Lack of class, and no sour grapes involved. We were expecting a romping!

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The originator of this thread is nuts. Goldylocks is a fantastic leader

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and I'll be damned if I sit here, and let you besmirch his accomplishments!

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From an ethical standpoint, I think the move is being blown out of proportion. It wasn't the be all and end all of classlesness, but none the less, it wasn't right.

My problem with the move falls in line with Van's feelings.

The move was done to rub a particularly embarrassing defeat in the face of the Leafs. A defeat that was partially the result of Sundin getting suspended.

Alfie's move seems to suggest that Alfredson was aware his Sens won this game based on the depleted Leafs lineup and the absense of his captain. Hence, he was making light of the means by which the situation arose. He was harping on the fact they were feasting on a weak team, and sending a message to Sundin, "We're down here, you're up there, and you can't do anything about it."

Should the Sens go on to beat a full-strength Leafs team, with Sundin on the ice, that would be the time to pull a move like that (if you have to at all).

Moreso than ethically, I think the move was particularly bad on a practical scale. Alfie, as the team's captain, was just plain irresponsible.

The Leafs are a powerful team. They are your main rivals. And they are so the team that could be standing between you and the Cup. In a situation like last night where the Sens put the Leafs in an embarrassing position, your main priority should be to grab the two points in clean and quite a fashion as possible and get the hell out of there.

Instead, Alfie planted the seeds that could cause his team's downfall. WHY, in a situation where you have the game wrapped up, would you want to do anything that could possibly fuel the other team's drive for revenge? The only thing Alfie acheived, aside from getting a few cheap laughs from some Leaf haters, was pissing off the Leafs, a team that just happens to be one of the most physically punishing teams in the NHL, and now a team that has extra motivation to knock the Sens on their ***** and out of Cup contention.

Had this been any player, it would have been silly. Because it was the Sens captain, it was down right idiotic.

Just one last thing. I heard a journalist mention in the press room, on MOJO, that Alfie said he regretted the move. If this is true, I think it's fair to chalk this one up to heat of the moment lack of throughtfulness. Nonetheless, as a captain, he should have been smarter than that, and the damage has possibly already been done.

Oh well. See you on the 31st

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gosh, you're talking like what alfredsson did was some sort of horrible act of insensitivity.

"oh god, how could alfie do something so mean in this, a truly trying time for a classy individual like mats sundin"

HE DID SOMETHING SILLY AND CHILDISH, AND ANOTHER PLAYER MOCKED HIM FOR IT. now...was his timing a little off...in that the sens were already laying an asswhomping on the leafs? well, maybe...but honestly...who cares? for any leafs fans that called preds fans "whiners" for being upset that sundin wasn't given at least the 10 minute misconduct....consider that you're now whining that alfredsson "mocked" one of your players.

sheeesh.

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