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01-09-2004, 10:21 AM
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Who are the "for sure" Hall of Famers playing currently today??

Was thinking about this question the other day as a buddy of mine posed this question to me. And so I figured I'd think out loud here and see what y'all thought about this list as well.

Here goes...now these are players who if they never skated another minute of on the ice would immediatly be inducted into hockeys hall of fame. I've broken this down by position to make it easier to decipher:

Fowards:

JSakic
JJagr-not big fan of his but 500+ goals and 1250+pts gets him in.
BShanahan
MLemieux
BHull
SYzerman

Guys like Federov,Forsberg,Karyia,Selanne,Modano,Sundin,Tkac huk,Roenick and Recchi I consider "bubble guys" as they most likely will make it to the Hall but they either need to do what they've done for a bit more time or possibly they need a Stanley Cup ring on their resume in order to get in.

Defensman:

NLidstrom
AMcInnis
BLeetch
SStevens


Guys like RBlake,SZubov,SGonchar just don't have the stats yet IMO in order to be considered at this point.

Goalies

MBrodeur
DHasek
EBelfour

That's about it on the goaltender side unless I missed a few.

Anyways what ya think? Anyone I missed?. You agree or disagree with my "lock" HOF guys or do you think some of the "bubble" guys are locks to get in even if they didn't lace it up anymore...eh?

-Maxie


Here's some guys that IMO are still on the "bubble" so to speak:

SFederov-400+ goals-1000+ pts and a couple of Cups...He's probably going to make it but I'm not sure he doesn't need to have a few more top seasons in order to get in.

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Chris Chelios and Ron Francis come to mind. Pronger too.

I think Roenick and Modano will be there eventually.

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Chris Pronger isn't in yet.

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Ron Francis, Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull and Mark Messier are without a doubt hall of famers.

Joe Sakic, Brendan Shanahan, Jaromir Jagr and Scott Stevens are right behind them.

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Popularity will put Forsberg in, beyond the stats. Sweden will declare war on the Hall of Fame if it doesn't happen, along with Avsfans. Also one of the best divers ever. :p I kid, I kid.

Alex Mogilny will go in as a trailblazer for Russian players. The things he had to go through to get to the NHL... he's a solid lock, first vote HOF member, imo.


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I think Larionov will go in, although obviously not just for his NHL career.

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Ron Francis, Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull and Mark Messier are without a doubt hall of famers.

Joe Sakic, Brendan Shanahan, Jaromir Jagr and Scott Stevens are right behind them.
Stevens is definitely with the first tier.

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Guys like Federov,Forsberg,Karyia,Selanne,Modano,Sundin,Tkac huk,Roenick and Recchi I consider "bubble guys" as they most likely will make it to the Hall but they either need to do what they've done for a bit more time or possibly they need a Stanley Cup ring on their resume in order to get in.
4 of those 9 already have cup rings, and another two have seen the cup final.

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Mark Messier
Steve Yzerman
Mario Lemieux
Luc Robitaille
Ron Francis
Brett Hull
Adam Oates
Joe Sakic
Jaromir Jagr
Pierre Turgeon
Dave Andreychuk
Mats Sundin
Joe Nieuwendyk

Scott Stevens
Al MacInnis

Martin Brodeur
Ed Belfour
Dominik Hasek

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Alphabetically:

Forwards:
Francis
Hull
Jagr
Lemieux
Messier
Modano
Robitaille
Sakic
Sundin
Yzerman

Defence:
Chelios
Leetch
Lidstrom
MacInnis
Stevens

Goaltenders:
Belfour
Brodeur
Hasek
Richter

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Prolly just repeating names here, but hey, wtf

Mario Lemieux
Joe Sakic
Stevie Y
Mats Sundin
Brett Hull
Dave Andreychuck
Ron Francis
Mark Messier
Aki Berg
Niklas Lidstrom
Brian Leetch
Al Macinnis
Ed Belfour
Martin Brodeur

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Ron Francis

Mark Messier.

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Oops....obviously your 100% correct about Francis and Messier......I knew I missed a few as I was doing it top of my head. And a few others that have now been mentioned on other posts are definites as well like Robitaille,Oates,Chelios and Andreychuk.....

I'm not so sure about guys like Turgeon and Mogilny as I don't think their #'s are good enough in comparison with the guys who are locks to get in. That's why I put guys like them on the "bubble".....

-Max

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I am suprised no one mentioned Forsberg. 2 cups, a Hart, and Art Ross... Probably, and it pains me to say this, the best swede in NHL history.

HHOF stuff IMHO.

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I am suprised no one mentioned Forsberg. 2 cups, a Hart, and Art Ross... Probably, and it pains me to say this, the best swede in NHL history.

HHOF stuff IMHO.
I think the only thing that hurts Forsberg is his injury problems.Forsberg may be the most all around skilled player but to me Mats Sundin is the best swede in NHL history. Followed by Borje Salming. Just my homer opinion though

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Lemieux is definitely a for sure HOF'er...seeing as he has already been inducted.

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Messier
Yzerman
Sakic
Lemieux
Lidstrom
Forsberg
Hull
Andreychuk
Brodeur
McInnis
Francis
Leetch
Robitaille
Chelios
Stevens
Hasek
Jagr
Blake.

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Oops....obviously your 100% correct about Francis and Messier......I knew I missed a few as I was doing it top of my head. And a few others that have now been mentioned on other posts are definites as well like Robitaille,Oates,Chelios and Andreychuk.....

I'm not so sure about guys like Turgeon and Mogilny as I don't think their #'s are good enough in comparison with the guys who are locks to get in. That's why I put guys like them on the "bubble".....

-Max
I still maintain that Andreychuk is a BIG stretch. But then I said that about Federko and Gillies too.

Personally I think Joe Nieuwendyk has a better shot. Calder Trophy winner, 4 Cups with 4 different teams, 521 G, 515 A, 1,036 Pts, 4 time All-Star. He should be a lock.

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I think the only thing that hurts Forsberg is his injury problems.Forsberg may be the most all around skilled player but to me Mats Sundin is the best swede in NHL history. Followed by Borje Salming. Just my homer opinion though
No cups... sorry but so many people know that championships mean so much.

And Sundin is a great player but there are 3 swedes better than him right now in Forsberg, Naslund and Lidstrom.

BTW Lidstrom is a shoo-in... 3 cups, 2 Norris, a Conn Smythe.

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Personally I think Joe Nieuwendyk has a better shot. Calder Trophy winner, 4 Cups with 4 different teams, 521 G, 515 A, 1,036 Pts, 4 time All-Star. He should be a lock.
Are you sure he's won 4 already? I thought it was 3 with 3 different teams.

 
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Yzerman
Francis
Lidstrom
Messier
Chelios
Brett Hull
Brodeur
Stevens
Sakic
(yuk) Jagr

everyone else is one the "bubble", including:

Leetch (never thought he was all that great, actually)
MacInnis
Belfour
Robitaille
Andreychuck

-If Forsberg has 3 or 4 more great seasons, then he is a lock. But for right now, he's on the bubble for me. Most talented player in the NHL easily, but injuried a lot, and hasn't been around long enough yet.

In about 5 years we'll get to Roenick, Modano, Blake, and Sundin.

NO WAY for Turgeon, Tkachuk, Zubov, Mogilny, or Recchi.

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No cups... sorry but so many people know that championships mean so much.

And Sundin is a great player but there are 3 swedes better than him right now in Forsberg, Naslund and Lidstrom.

BTW Lidstrom is a shoo-in... 3 cups, 2 Norris, a Conn Smythe.
You realize it's not based on "who's better now"... it's based on career achievments. And Mats Sundin has had a better career then Naslund. Another factor would be that Sundin was the first ever European player ever drafted #1 overall.

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In about 5 years we'll get to Roenick, Modano, Blake, and Sundin.
In 5 years, we'll be at a lot more than that. Federov, Hatcher, Selanne, Kariya, Bertuzzi, Naslund?, Jovanovski, Thornton, Pronger: and that's just off of the top of my head. 5 years is a LONG time. 1998-99 was five years ago.

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