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09-29-2007, 02:11 PM
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Isles Sutton elbows Rangers Callahan in the head deliberately and gets.....

Fined. Undisclosed amount, but no suspension.

Glad to see consistency.

Campbell NEEDS to get fired NOW.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...,3688595.story

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09-29-2007, 02:12 PM
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i demand 20 games

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any video?

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Hitting the head is one thing...but how you hit is another thing.

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Fined. Undisclosed amount, but no suspension.

Glad to see consistency.

Campbell NEEDS to get fired NOW.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...,3688595.story
Sutton doesn't deserve a suspension. I honestly don't know if Downie did either though. I saw the video for the first time today and it was a late hit and definitely a charge because he left his feet, but 20 game suspension? That is way tooooooooo much. If anything maybe 3 games or so, but 20? Colin Campbell is a joke.

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Campbell is quoted as saying that it was a suspendable offense, but he didn't go through with it because of the result, not the action. It's the ACTION that is supposed to be what gets disciplined, not the result.

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09-29-2007, 02:59 PM
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It's the ACTION that is supposed to be what gets disciplined, not the result.
Where does it say that?

Or is that your opinion?

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09-29-2007, 03:09 PM
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If it's the result that gets players suspended....then if I'm the coach of Anaheim...the next time Kopitar gets within 4 feet of Parros I would want Parros to drop like he's shot and not be able to play anymore ever. How many games would Kopitar get? 3 seasons? Punishing based on injury can't work....

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09-29-2007, 03:10 PM
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Where does it say that?
The vague piece of crap that is the NHL rule book?

"Intent to injure: An action by a player, goalkeeper or non-playing Club personnel who, by the use of a stick, skate or other object, or by using his body, hits or attempts to hit an opposing player, goalkeeper or non-playing Club personnel, or game official with the intent of causing injury."

Honestly, if Campbell ever grew a pair, he could take hitting straight of the game, and reference the rule book in doing so.

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09-29-2007, 03:38 PM
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"Intent to injure: An action by a player, goalkeeper or non-playing Club personnel who, by the use of a stick, skate or other object, or by using his body, hits or attempts to hit an opposing player, goalkeeper or non-playing Club personnel, or game official with the intent of causing injury."
I don't see anything in there about suspensions.

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09-29-2007, 03:52 PM
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I don't see anything in there about suspensions.
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The following will be the minimum suspensions for match penalties issued to players
for Attempt to Injure or Deliberate Injury [Rule 49]:
Butt-ending [Rule 49(f)] - 4 games
Grabbing facial protector [Rule 49(d)] - 1 game
Hair Pulling [Rule 49(d)] - 4 games
Head-butting [Rule 49(b)] - 4 games
Kicking [Rule 49(c)] - 4 games
Spearing [Rule 49(g)] - 4 games
Stick swinging [Rule 49(a)] - 4 games
Deliberate attempt to injure
But because Sutton didn't get called for a match penalty, he doesn't get suspended even though the hit could qualify under the given criteria. I can't say that it did in fact qualify, though, because I haven't seen the hit.

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09-29-2007, 03:58 PM
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I don't see anything in there about suspensions.
How about reading the article posted where the author said, and I quote,

"Colin Campbell, who administers discipline, said he warned Sutton that his hit was a "suspendable offense," but he was spared because Callahan did not suffer an injury."

Thus, Campbell himself is admitting he is disciplining the result, NOT the action.

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I don't see anything in there about suspensions.
aren't you the one putting forward the argument that any illegal play is potentially suspendable?

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Can anyone please post the video link to the Sutton hit?

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Can anyone please post the video link to the Sutton hit?
immaterial to me given that Campbell in his own words labeled it suspendable.

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go to games, 9/24 first period

elbow is about 5:10 in

absolutely freakin unbelievable

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http://islanders.nhl.tv/team/console

go to games, 9/24 first period

elbow is about 5:10 in

absolutely freakin unbelievable
Wow...blatant elbow. Imagine if Callahan also had a concussion history.

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Wow...blatant elbow. Imagine if Callahan also had a concussion history.
wow. . .imagine if the disiplinary arm of the NHL wasn't a useless piece of trash. . . .

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wow. . .imagine if the disiplinary arm of the NHL wasn't a useless piece of trash. . . .
Agreed.

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http://islanders.nhl.tv/team/console

go to games, 9/24 first period

elbow is about 5:10 in

absolutely freakin unbelievable
Thanks for finding that.

It's clear that the league doesn't want to eliminate good hits like that.....

Disgusting.

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09-29-2007, 05:34 PM
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I'm glad that Campbell acknowledges that it wasn't an legal hit, yet decides that no suspension is warranted because Callahan wasn't hurt. Showing some consistency already I see.

And people wonder why us Flyer fans are getting up in arms about the Downie incident.

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09-29-2007, 05:49 PM
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The Downey suspension made zero sense based on previous League rulings. The only way it could be justified would be if it was a new precedent for the League concerning hits to the head but the Sutton fine proves that it's not. My only guess is Colin Campbell is using some type of dart/dartboard for the his rulings.

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09-29-2007, 05:52 PM
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The Downey suspension made zero sense based on previous League rulings. The only way it could be justified would be if it was a new precedent for the League concerning hits to the head but the Sutton fine proves that it's not. My only guess is Colin Campbell is using some type of dart/dartboard for the his rulings.
Isn't it obvious, Sutton was wearing briefs, Downie boxers. That was one of the new criteria.

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I like the broadcast guy..." it did look like Sutton got the elbow up a little bit...".. priceless!!

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Sutton doesn't deserve a suspension. I honestly don't know if Downie did either though. I saw the video for the first time today and it was a late hit and definitely a charge because he left his feet, but 20 game suspension? That is way tooooooooo much. If anything maybe 3 games or so, but 20? Colin Campbell is a joke.

"Tonight, we consider ourselves the luckiest fans on the face of the Earth. Thanks, Cal"-a sign at Oriole Park at Camden Yards, September 6, 1995.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, far be it from me to allow a Gehrig reference without also citing a Cal reference.


To the topic at hand, it's already been proven that there is inconsistency which we all knew was going to happen. Any person in any league in charge of discipline who says that an action was "suspendible", but then doesn't suspend should be fired on the spot. Imagine if in MLB two players tested positive for steroids, player A is suspended as per league rules, but player B is allowed to continue to play. Do you think the people/fans/players/owners would stand for that? What fans of opposing teams do not understand is that the unjust way suspensions are being handed out hurts all teams and all players. They want to laugh now because it's the Flyers, but when it's a player on their team-and it will be-they'll understand what we've been trying to say.

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