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09-30-2007, 01:23 PM
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Washingtons Drafting

how good is washingtons drafting and where would u rank it based on the last 5 years?

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I think we have been a little better then average.

Here are the players drafted by the caps in the last 5 years.

2007
5 D Karl Alzner
34 D Josh Godfrey
46 D Ted Ruth
84 C Philip DeSimone
108 C Brett Bruneteau
125 R Brett Leffler
154 G Dan Dunn
180 C Justin Taylor
185 C Nick Larson
199 L Andrew Glass

2006
4 C Nicklas Backstrom
23 G Semen Varlamov
34 G Michal Neuvirth
35 R Francois Bouchard
52 D Keith Seabrook
97 L Oskar Osala
122 C Luke Lynes
127 L Maxime Lacroix
157 C Brent Gwidt
177 C Mathieu Perreault

2005
14 D Sasha Pokulok
27 D Joe Finley
109 D Andrew Thomas
118 D Patrick McNeill
143 G Daren Machesney
181 L Tim Kennedy
209 D Viktor Dovgan

2004
1 L Alexander Ovechkin
27 D Jeff Schultz
29 D Mike Green
33 L Chris Bourque
62 C Mikhail Yunkov
66 D Sami Lepisto
88 D Clayton Barthel
132 D Oscar Hedman
138 W Pasi Salonen
166 W Peter Guggisberg
197 R Andrew Gordon
230 G Justin Mrazek
263 C Travis Morin

2003
18 R Eric Fehr
83 R Stephen Werner
109 L Andreas Valdix
155 F Josh Robertson
249 C Andrew Joudrey
279 R Mark Olafson

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09-30-2007, 02:40 PM
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After their firesale during the 2003-2004 season, Washington invested heavily in their scouting department and apparently now have one of the largest in the league. As such, their drafting from 2004 on has been far more successful than in previous years, and probably much better than a majority of NHL franchises (it's hard to tell right now; you can evaluate only based on how players are currently doing in the system. You won't know for sure for another five years out at least). They've developed a new feeder system of players and a large backlog of talented defensemen.

These are the players from the drafts #19 listed who are considered viable prospects:

2003--Eric Fehr (if he recovers from his injury), Andrew Joudrey (in Hershey). Werner (also in Hershey) and Josh Robertson (college) are probably on the bubble right now.

2004--Jeff Schultz and Mike Green (still fighting for an NHL roster spot this year), Chris Bourque, Sami Lespito, and Andrew Gordon (in Hershey); Oscar Hedman (Europe) is probably on the one the bubble. Oh yeah, and some guy named Ovechkin.

2005--Sasha Pokuluk (coming back from injury) and Patrick MacNeill (both in Hershey); Joe Finley and Andrew Thomas (college); Viktor Dovgan (Russia). G Darren Machesney is probably on the bubble.

2006--Nicklas Backstrom (NHL); Neuvirth, Bouchard, and Perreault (juniors); Varlamov and Osala (Europe); Seabrook (juniors). The rest are still looking to prove themselves.

2007--Alzner (juniors) is considered a top-pairing defensive prospect who's close the the NHL. The rest? Too early to tell.

Next season, the following prospects probably have a legit shot at the roster: Green, Schultz, A. Gordon, Bouchard, Alzner, Pokuluk, and Fehr (if he's healthy).


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09-30-2007, 11:20 PM
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Ovi, Backstrom, and Alzner are no brainers.

But where they did well is drafting Fehr, Bouchard, Peurralt, McNeil, Green, Lepisto, and other who seem to have talent. None have proven himself so far the others have bright futures for now.

I would rank them B for now in the past five years, just because

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I don't think you can ever judge drafting over "the last five years."

In ten years we might be able to look back at this five year period and have some possible judgement, but there's no way to judge drafting in the NHL that recently.

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Ovi, Backstrom, and Alzner are no brainers.

But where they did well is drafting Fehr, Bouchard, Peurralt, McNeil, Green, Lepisto, and other who seem to have talent. None have proven himself so far the others have bright futures for now.

I would rank them B for now in the past five years, just because
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After their firesale during the 2003-2004 season, Washington invested heavily in their scouting department and apparently now have one of the largest in the league. As such, their drafting from 2004 on has been far more successful than in previous years, and probably much better than a majority of NHL franchises (it's hard to tell right now; you can evaluate only based on how players are currently doing in the system. You won't know for sure for another five years out at least). They've developed a new feeder system of players and a large backlog of talented defensemen.

These are the players from the drafts #19 listed who are considered viable prospects:

2003--Eric Fehr (if he recovers from his injury), Andrew Joudrey (in Hershey). Werner (also in Hershey) and Josh Robertson (college) are probably on the bubble right now.

2004--Jeff Schultz and Mike Green (still fighting for an NHL roster spot this year), Chris Bourque, Sami Lespito, and Andrew Gordon (in Hershey); Oscar Hedman (Europe) is probably on the one the bubble. Oh yeah, and some guy named Ovechkin.

2005--Sasha Pokuluk (in Hershey, coming back from injury); Joe Finley and Andrew Thomas (college); Patrick MacNeill (juniors); Viktor Dovgan (Russia). G Darren Machesney is probably on the bubble.

2006--Nicklas Backstrom (NHL); Neuvirth, Bouchard, and Perreault (juniors); Varlamov and Osala (Europe); Seabrook (college). The rest are still looking to prove themselves.

2007--Alzner (juniors) is considered a top-pairing defensive prospect who's close the the NHL. The rest? Too early to tell.

Next season, the following prospects probably have a legit shot at the roster: Green, Schultz, A. Gordon, Bouchard, Alzner, Pokuluk, and Fehr (if he's healthy).
McNeill is starting in Hershey this season.

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Seabrook left college for juniors, but the caps still have until his would-be graduation year to sign him

2006 draft was insane in terms of what prospects did what immediately following their draft at their level
Backstrom - led (?) SEL in points
Varlamov - Russia's main starter in all junior events since
Neuvirth - carried plymouth to OHL championship, and part way in memorial cup
Bouchard - 3rd (?) in Q scoring last year
Seabrook - left for juniors, could help his development nicely
Osala - left for Europe, physical winger, first liner for Finland in last WJCs
Lynes - Could be like pettinger I'm guessing based on descriptions
Lacroix and Gwidt havent received much publicity
Perrault - led Q scoring, should do the same with a possible first round Euro finisher on his line this year

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Seabrook left college for juniors, but the caps still have until his would-be graduation year to sign him

2006 draft was insane in terms of what prospects did what immediately following their draft at their level
Backstrom - led (?) SEL in points
Varlamov - Russia's main starter in all junior events since
Neuvirth - carried plymouth to OHL championship, and part way in memorial cup
Bouchard - 3rd (?) in Q scoring last year
Seabrook - left for juniors, could help his development nicely
Osala - left for Europe, physical winger, first liner for Finland in last WJCs
Lynes - Could be like pettinger I'm guessing based on descriptions
Lacroix and Gwidt havent received much publicity
Perrault - led Q scoring, should do the same with a possible first round Euro finisher on his line this year
Bouchard was first and Perrault was third in scoring, but Perrault won MVP for the Q. Still an impressive list.

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While it's early, the 04 and 06 drafts look spectacular for the caps. There's a long way to go for a lot of those guys, but Backstrom, Varlamov, Neuvirth, Bouchard, Osala, and Perrault have a good chance at the show.

From 04 you have Ovi, Schultz, Green, Bourque, Lepisto, and Gordon.

Then the first 3 picks from 07 look pretty good as well and there might be some sleepers there.

So from absolutely terrible to looking pretty good over the last 7 or 8 years.

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Mike Green was a steal, even as a first rounder. He'll be a top 2 for in 2 seasons, if not next season. The guy plays both ends of the rink like a pro (although defense is still improving).

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IMO the Ross Mahoney & Co have drafted above average the past five years. I think they could be pretty close to the next step up from above average if Fehr/Pokulok/Finley pan out.

Agreed that 2004/2006 drafts are pretty sick though its early for the latter. It is taking a little while to really see how the 2005 draft plays out after a couple of more years but Pokulok's strong play this training camp really boosts that draft year. I'm really high on Finley and I think he'll have a very stong year at UND. McNeil/Machesny/Dovgan all signed.

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Mike Green was a steal, even as a first rounder. He'll be a top 2 for in 2 seasons, if not next season. The guy plays both ends of the rink like a pro (although defense is still improving).
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While it's early, the 04 and 06 drafts look spectacular for the caps. There's a long way to go for a lot of those guys, but Backstrom, Varlamov, Neuvirth, Bouchard, Osala, and Perrault have a good chance at the show.

From 04 you have Ovi, Schultz, Green, Bourque, Lepisto, and Gordon.

Then the first 3 picks from 07 look pretty good as well and there might be some sleepers there.

So from absolutely terrible to looking pretty good over the last 7 or 8 years.
Boyd Gordon wasn't drafted in 04, or are you refering to someone else?

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Boyd Gordon wasn't drafted in 04, or are you refering to someone else?
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Thanks, guys. I forgot where MacNeill and Seabrook had moved to. Made the edits.

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