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10-04-2007, 12:56 PM
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NYI-VAN Proposal

come trade deadline time, the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture and with that said, they'll probably be in sell mode. If the Nucks are gonna need some offense to get over the hump for the Cup, so...

to VAN: Fedetenko

to NYI: Krajicek, 3rd Rounder

any thoughts?

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10-04-2007, 12:59 PM
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come trade deadline time, the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture and with that said, they'll probably be in sell mode. If the Nucks are gonna need some offense, so...

to VAN: Fedetenko

to NYI: Krajicek, 3rd Rounder

any thoughts?
The Isles season hasnt even started yet and the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture?

How about trade purposals that might or that people want to see happen now?

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10-04-2007, 01:07 PM
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come trade deadline time, the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture and with that said, they'll probably be in sell mode. If the Nucks are gonna need some offense to get over the hump for the Cup, so...

to VAN: Fedetenko

to NYI: Krajicek, 3rd Rounder

any thoughts?
Wow, you're selling your team a bit short there, aren't you?

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10-04-2007, 01:17 PM
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That seems like a lot for Fedotenko to me, but these guys will have their trade values change drastically depending on how they play this season. As it stands, I would say that's an overpayment for Fedotenko.

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I wouldn't do Krajicek for Fedotenko straight up if I were VAN.

And if they're looking for "offense to get them over the hump", why are they even thinking about Fedotenko? Didn't he put up a whopping 12 goals on Richards' line last year?

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10-04-2007, 01:41 PM
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Canucks will probably be looking for some more offense later in the year.
But the Canucks need a RW...on LW they already have D Sedin, Naslund and Cooke. On the right side they have Pyatt, Shannon, and rookie Mason Raymond. If Raymond and Shannon are not able to produce in the first 20 games (a distinct possibility), Nonis will be working hard to find a RW.

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10-04-2007, 01:47 PM
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I would do that deal in a minute if i were the islanders and out of the palyoffs. Vancouver would be dumb to make that trade.

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10-04-2007, 03:18 PM
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I lol'd when I saw Fedetenko in the same sentence as "Offence to get over the hump". He was playing with Richards, an amazing center and put up squat.

I think if the Canucks go for someone it will be someone big(big name).

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10-04-2007, 03:20 PM
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And if they're looking for "offense to get them over the hump", why are they even thinking about Fedotenko? Didn't he put up a whopping 12 goals on Richards' line last year?
Perhaps they would look beyond last season's stats and remember waaaaaaaay back to spring '04, when Fedotenko proved able to produce bigtime in the most pressurized of situations. The time of the year that matters most.

To be sure, that was prior to injuries. And Krajicek would not be ideal for them to trade away in this hypotheticial.

However, last season's STATS don't tell the entire story.

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10-04-2007, 03:21 PM
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Canucks will probably be looking for some more offense later in the year.
But the Canucks need a RW...on LW they already have D Sedin, Naslund and Cooke. On the right side they have Pyatt, Shannon, and rookie Mason Raymond. If Raymond and Shannon are not able to produce in the first 20 games (a distinct possibility), Nonis will be working hard to find a RW.
...who is only playing RW because the Canucks don't have enough RW's and would be better playing LW.

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However, last season's STATS don't tell the entire story.
Maybe, but it's not like he lit up the scoreboard in any other year.

Canucks have the depth to handle losing Krajicek (he himself isn't without his warts, but he's not a rental unlike Fedotenko and still has some upside) but I would think there are better alternatives out there.

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10-04-2007, 03:27 PM
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No need for this trade as Vancouver's deadline deal will be for Marian Hossa.

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10-04-2007, 03:51 PM
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Maybe, but it's not like he lit up the scoreboard in any other year.
Guys who get it done - get anything done - in the postseason are typically held in higher value around the league than they are around here, where regular season production is the typical (often only) yardstick. Reality is, they both matter. But a team looking to add a piece come the trade deadline cares most about what a guy can do in May and June, not November and December.

True, Fedotenko did it "just once". That's one more time than the vast majority of NHLers. And his clutch production contributed mightily to a Cup winner. (And NHL GMs have longer memories than do some on HF.)

Point simply being, the case against Fedotenko - his admittedly very pedestrian career regular season stats - are basically moot in this conversation. Given that the cost to rent him out would not be prohibitive, and assuming that he is healthy come March and NYI is out of it, I'd bet there will be interested parties. Whether the Canucks would be one of them is highly questionable.

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True, Fedotenko did it "just once". That's one more time than the vast majority of NHLers. And his clutch production contributed mightily to a Cup winner. (And NHL GMs have longer memories than do some on HF.)
...or he could be just another John Druce.

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Guys who get it done - get anything done - in the postseason are typically held in higher value around the league than they are around here, where regular season production is the typical (often only) yardstick. Reality is, they both matter. But a team looking to add a piece come the trade deadline cares most about what a guy can do in May and June, not November and December.
All true, but then again GM's are also mesmerized by regular season point totals as well (look at the price for Bill Guerin at the trading deadline despite a medicore playoff performance history).

IMHO, between a guy who has had a decent regular season career + a medicore post-season career vs a guy with a medicore regular season career + one-hit wonder in the post season, I would think a GM would take the former rather than the later.


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I doubt NYI would do that unless the Canucks threw in Luongo as well.

Him and Krajicek are trade buddies.

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come trade deadline time, the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture and with that said, they'll probably be in sell mode. If the Nucks are gonna need some offense to get over the hump for the Cup, so...

to VAN: Fedetenko

to NYI: Krajicek, 3rd Rounder

any thoughts?
Isn't this a bit early?

I like Fedetenko but the Canucks will be looking for a bigger name come the Spring. I would think someone like Hossa or another future UFA who could put them over the top.

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I doubt NYI would do that unless the Canucks threw in Luongo as well.

Him and Krajicek are trade buddies.


Didn't the Isles trade away Luongo in the first place because they were going to draft DiPietro (forgot which came first, DiPietro getting drafted or trading away Luongo).


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Didn't the Isles trade away Luongo in the first place because they were going to draft DiPietro (forgot which came first, DiPietro getting drafted trading away Luongo).
You're right, the Isles traded Luongo away about a week before taking DiPietro first overall in the 2000 draft. For just Luongo and Olli Jokinen, they were able to add Parrish and Kvasha! It's not a trade Mike Milbury points to with pride, I'm sure...

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come trade deadline time, the Isles will probably be out of the playoff picture and with that said, they'll probably be in sell mode. If the Nucks are gonna need some offense to get over the hump for the Cup, so...

to VAN: Fedetenko

to NYI: Krajicek, 3rd Rounder

any thoughts?
I suspect that Krajicek will have far more value at the end of the season than he does now. While I like Fedetenko, I don't believe he brings enough scoring potential to make this deal happen, although it's likely pretty fair value today.

Krajicek is going to have huge year for the Canucks, and it will be extremely unlikely that Nonis trades him because he is such a versatile player and has an extremely inexpensive contract.

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You're right, the Isles traded Luongo away about a week before taking DiPietro first overall in the 2000 draft. For just Luongo and Olli Jokinen, they were able to add Parrish and Kvasha! It's not a trade Mike Milbury points to with pride, I'm sure...

There are NO trades that Mike Milbury can point to with pride! There are no ISLANDERS FANS that can or will point to Mike Milbury with pride!!!!!

If Islanders management didn't feel that Fedotenko coud be a help to the team, I really don't think that they would have acquired him. Remember, Milbury the Mutt is no longer with them!!!!! (Thank GOD!!!!!)

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There are NO trades that Mike Milbury can point to with pride! There are no ISLANDERS FANS that can or will point to Mike Milbury with pride!!!!!

If Islanders management didn't feel that Fedotenko coud be a help to the team, I really don't think that they would have acquired him. Remember, Milbury the Mutt is no longer with them!!!!! (Thank GOD!!!!!)
Sopel and Parrish for Grebeskov and Tambellini

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I wouldn't trade Krajicek for Fedetenko and a 3rd. Fedetenko has never showed that he is anything but a pretty decent NHL winger. Krajicek could be a very good 3/4.

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...or he could be just another John Druce.
Holy shazoo! John Druce! Bonus points for even recalling that obscure player. Barely remember him demolishing NYR in playoff series, circa 1990 or so.

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Canucks should make a stab for Satan. The Isles aren't making the playoffs and hes unrestricted at season's end.

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Canucks should make a stab for Satan. The Isles aren't making the playoffs and hes unrestricted at season's end.
This is what I was more expecting to see when I read it was going to be a deadline deal if the Isles look like they're going to miss the playoffs, as I think Satan would be a very good fit with the Sedins and I don't see the Isles re-signing Satan.

Of course, the question would be, what would the Nucks be willing to part with?
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Sopel and Parrish for Grebeskov and Tambellini
Honestly, just about any of the deals where Milbury was dumping higher price, more established players, he came out pretty well. For example, as much as people rag on Milbury for trading Luongo away, they often forget how Milbury stole him in the first place:
03/13/96: C Darby Hendrickson, D Kenny Jonsson, C Sean Haggerty and TOR 1st round choice in 1997 Entry Draft(4th overall: G Roberto Luongo) from TOR to NYI for LW Wendel Clark, D Mathieu Schneider and D D.J. Smith.

Especially if you keep in mind that Clark never put up 50 points for the Leafs after the trade, or more than 4 playoff points, and Schneider only had one good season before being turned into Karpovstev.


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This is what I was more expecting to see when I read it was going to be a deadline deal if the Isles look like they're going to miss the playoffs, as I think Satan would be a very good fit with the Sedins and I don't see the Isles re-signing Satan.

Of course, the question would be, what would the Nucks be willing to part with?
I wouldn't mind Satan at the right price, he'd be a definite upgrade at RW in the top 6. If the Isles are out at the deadline and Satan has a decent year, my guess is that he could fetch at least a 1st round pick from some team, ala Ladislav Nagy. Not sure if the Canucks would be willing to pay that price however, would depend on a lot of different variables.

As for Fedotenko, I like him and would like to see him in a Canucks' uni, but not at the cost of Krajicek. 2nd round pick plus marginal prospect is probably the most I'd offer for him.

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