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10-06-2007, 01:38 PM
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From Mr. Zipay himself...

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Defenseman Paul Mara, who came here from Boston in the Aaron Ward trade last season and played well, is a healthy scratch tonight. Jason Strudwick will start, paired with Marc Staal.

Marcel Hossa is a healthy scratch for the second consecutive game, as Renney kept the Betts-Hollweg-Orr line intact.

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10-06-2007, 01:39 PM
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http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/ho..._for_sens.html

Umm...it's safe to come off the ledge.

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Defenseman Paul Mara, who came here from Boston in the Aaron Ward trade last season and played well, is a healthy scratch tonight. Jason Strudwick will start, paired with Marc Staal.
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Marcel Hossa is a healthy scratch for the second consecutive game, as Renney kept the Betts-Hollweg-Orr line intact.
Much ado about nothing.

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10-06-2007, 01:43 PM
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I was really hoping I wasn't going to see Strudwick actually play this year. Ottawa is going to skate circles around him. I like Renney and trust him but this decision is a bit over my head, why not Pock at least?

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10-06-2007, 01:45 PM
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I don't think sitting Staal is the worst idea in the world against a team like the Sens. I think having a veteran presence in against that team makes sense and it will be good to let Staal watch his team play from the box to learn how you have to play the other top ranked teams. No sense in throwing him into the fire right away if you have other somewhat sensible options and that is one thing the Rangers seem to have. Let him build up a little confidence against a few lesser teams early on.

While I'm disappointed by Dubinsky not centering the third line, I think Renney must have liked something about Hossa's work in the corners this preseason to have a reason for the switch. I also think Dubinsky could benefit in the same sense as Staal.

It's the second game so no one should really be freaking out about this.

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10-06-2007, 01:46 PM
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Well, things have just taken a turn from "Disappointing but understandable" to "Huhwhaaaah??!"

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10-06-2007, 01:50 PM
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So we're going to sit rookies when we play tough opponents? Not a fan of this move.


edit - nm read they are playing.

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10-06-2007, 01:51 PM
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So we're going to sit rookies when we play tough opponents? Not a fan of this move.

Did you read what Zipay said...Mara and Hossa sit...both Strudwick in...the rest of the lineup is the same as opening night.

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10-06-2007, 01:55 PM
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I agree with giving Hossa the minutes, I thought he should have been out there instead of Orr, last game.
IMO give Hossa the minutes and he will break out. On the forth line, that's obviously going to be harder to do, but he's a hard worker in front of the net, and that's the game we have to play.

I also could see Staal getting very much lit up this game. He was decent in game one, but lost a few times, which is of course to be expected, but I think Ottawa 's going to exploit that.

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10-06-2007, 01:57 PM
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Did you read what Zipay said...Mara and Hossa sit...both Strudwick in...the rest of the lineup is the same as opening night.

Mara? He was solid last game, and was sticking up for teamates all over the place.

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10-06-2007, 01:59 PM
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as per steve zippy....he is going with sitting mara, playing struds, sitting hossa again....

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10-06-2007, 02:00 PM
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I would have been ok with Sitting Staal for this game. At times in the florida game he looked overmatched. Thats to be expected, you dont need to kill the kids confidence. Ottawa can make a veteran defensemen look silly let alone young kid adjusting to the league.

Now sitting Mara for Struds is an odd choice.

Oh and that Hossa Man Crush appears to be over? ...

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10-06-2007, 02:03 PM
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So we're going to sit rookies when we play tough opponents? Not a fan of this move.


edit - nm read they are playing.
Nah the Rookies are playing. What I dont understand is, you sit MARA for STRUDWICK???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!! !???!!!??!!!????????

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10-06-2007, 02:03 PM
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Nah, let Staal get a taste of playing with the big boys. I don't see him as a kid who's going to lose his confidence if he gets burned a few times. If anything it will motivate him more. I'm glad to see him get the call tonight. If he gets burned, so be it.

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10-06-2007, 02:04 PM
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Anyone get the sinking feeling that Ottawa's forwards are going to make poor Struds look like a stump?

Talk about hanging Staal out to dry.

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call me crazy, but i think renney wants to figure out the defense, and possibly try to move someone off the back line.

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10-06-2007, 02:05 PM
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I actually would like to see Struds in there, he's tough and is a good positional Dman. I think him and Staal isn't all that bad of a pairing.

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10-06-2007, 02:06 PM
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call me crazy, but i think renney wants to figure out the defense, and possibly try to move someone off the back line.
good point, he's still feeling out the team.

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10-06-2007, 02:13 PM
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Let's just say that things are goin pretty fricken well youth movement wise when we're getting pissed off at veterans getting benched for other more deserving veterans.

LMAO!

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"There were times during the (Florida) game where on the bench I went, hmm, I wonder what we'd get in this situation if [Hossa] were out there," Renney said. "He brings more jam to the ship, he finishes checks, he's a very good penalty killer. I still think there's a dormant offensive game there."

Renneys illogical mancrush on Hossa continues. I wonder if he gets butterflies in his stomach anytime Hossa walks by him.
How is it illogical? It's completely logical. In the end it may be incorrect. But everything he says is 100% accurate. Hossa finishes his checks. Hossa is a very good forechecker and uses his body well. Hossa is a very good penalty killer. And he does have a dormant offensive game. That's not synonymous with an offensive game that WILL be awoken. Simply that he has an offensive game that COULD potentially be awoken. You obviously don't agree, but his perspective makes complete sense.

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10-06-2007, 02:41 PM
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call me crazy, but i think renney wants to figure out the defense, and possibly try to move someone off the back line.
Exactly. It's really not anywhere near the big deal that many people seem to be making it out to be.

And to the people who are worried about the Sens forwards skating circles around Strudwick, I would agree if it weren't for the fact that I don't expect him to be seeing much ice against Heatley-Spezza-Alfie. Outside of those guys the Sens lineup is really quite pedestrian. A bunch of very good players but no real gamebreakers to fear. Vermette? Eaves? Struds will be OK.

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10-06-2007, 02:43 PM
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Think people gotta realize that the best pairing on paper is rarely the best pairing on the ice... Just becuase Staal and Mara may look better on paper, and people may like Mara's shot, that doesn't mean it will bring the best results.

If Staal works better with Strudwick and it helps the team more, then you go with that.

The best team on paper is usually never the best team on the ice. Intangibles mean so much more than people give them credit for and this is the reason that you have the teams who win championships.

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10-06-2007, 02:47 PM
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Exactly. It's really not anywhere near the big deal that many people seem to be making it out to be.

And to the people who are worried about the Sens forwards skating circles around Strudwick, I would agree if it weren't for the fact that I don't expect him to be seeing much ice against Heatley-Spezza-Alfie. Outside of those guys the Sens lineup is really quite pedestrian. A bunch of very good players but no real gamebreakers to fear. Vermette? Eaves? Struds will be OK.
I think we will have to worry less about strudwick and more about Malek getting skated around tonight

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10-06-2007, 02:51 PM
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Think people gotta realize that the best pairing on paper is rarely the best pairing on the ice... Just becuase Staal and Mara may look better on paper, and people may like Mara's shot, that doesn't mean it will bring the best results.

If Staal works better with Strudwick and it helps the team more, then you go with that.

The best team on paper is usually never the best team on the ice. Intangibles mean so much more than people give them credit for and this is the reason that you have the teams who win championships.
I just think Renney wants to cycle Mara, Staal, Strudwick, and Pock into the 5/6 spots.

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10-06-2007, 03:39 PM
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IF it happens.
I'm just sayin'...

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10-06-2007, 04:04 PM
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I get the feeling that Renney did not have enough time to figure out 100% in his mind what he wanted the line up to look like during the pre-season. So now he is going to try make little adjustments as he goes through the beginning of the regular season. I would imagine that in the next maybe 3 game we will see some more shuffling, but after that we will see much more continuity in regards to the line up. But people, back off the ledge, please

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